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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #105 on: May 25, 2013, 11:31:20 PM »
It's a longish read, but this article is a cogent and well-executed deconstruction of all the
various Star Trek series:

I Boldly Went Where Every Star Trek Movie and TV Show Has Gone Before
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html

Just saw it tonight.  I have to admit, this essay really changed my point of view.  I'll wait a while to discuss the movie.  What's the accepted time frame to avoid spoilers?
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #106 on: May 26, 2013, 01:49:36 PM »
semi-spoiler: 

Quote from: Willie Brown
Movie time : "Star Trek Into Darkness." Bringing somebody back from the dead never works for me. And you can't have a Vulcan suddenly developing a conscience and even shedding a tear.

On the other hand, the audience seemed to like it.
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #107 on: May 26, 2013, 06:39:29 PM »
semi-spoiler: 

Quote from: Willie Brown
Movie time : "Star Trek Into Darkness." Bringing somebody back from the dead never works for me. And you can't have a Vulcan suddenly developing a conscience and even shedding a tear.

On the other hand, the audience seemed to like it.

Clearly, Willie knows as much about film as he did about running a city  ;)

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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #108 on: May 26, 2013, 08:58:19 PM »

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I started to read this anyway.  I had to stop myself.
It appears to rip the entire movie, with spoilers from start to finish.  I suspect that
for people who have seen the film, this is freakin' hilarious:

Star Trek Into Darkness:  The Spoiler FAQ
http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #109 on: May 26, 2013, 10:13:41 PM »

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I started to read this anyway.  I had to stop myself.
It appears to rip the entire movie, with spoilers from start to finish.  I suspect that
for people who have seen the film, this is freakin' hilarious:

Star Trek Into Darkness:  The Spoiler FAQ
http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844
yes, this is great!
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2013, 01:10:47 PM »
It's a longish read, but this article is a cogent and well-executed deconstruction of all the
various Star Trek series:

I Boldly Went Where Every Star Trek Movie and TV Show Has Gone Before
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html
Just saw it tonight.  I have to admit, this essay really changed my point of view.  I'll wait a while to discuss the movie.  What's the accepted time frame to avoid spoilers?

I haven't seen the movie yet.  Who knows, I may never see it.  But I'll take a stab at it anyway.
Does it have anything to do with the possible fact that this is really a summer "blockbuster" action
movie that merely wears the trappings of Star Trek, as opposed to a movie that is Star Trek
through to its soul and happens to have good action and dazzling f/x as well?
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2013, 08:31:41 PM »
It's a longish read, but this article is a cogent and well-executed deconstruction of all the
various Star Trek series:

I Boldly Went Where Every Star Trek Movie and TV Show Has Gone Before
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html
Just saw it tonight.  I have to admit, this essay really changed my point of view.  I'll wait a while to discuss the movie.  What's the accepted time frame to avoid spoilers?

I haven't seen the movie yet.  Who knows, I may never see it.  But I'll take a stab at it anyway.
Does it have anything to do with the possible fact that this is really a summer "blockbuster" action
movie that merely wears the trappings of Star Trek, as opposed to a movie that is Star Trek
through to its soul and happens to have good action and dazzling f/x as well?
uh, yeah, I guess so!
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2013, 09:08:24 AM »
It's a longish read, but this article is a cogent and well-executed deconstruction of all the
various Star Trek series:

I Boldly Went Where Every Star Trek Movie and TV Show Has Gone Before
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html
Just saw it tonight.  I have to admit, this essay really changed my point of view.  I'll wait a while to discuss the movie.  What's the accepted time frame to avoid spoilers?

I haven't seen the movie yet.  Who knows, I may never see it.  But I'll take a stab at it anyway.
Does it have anything to do with the possible fact that this is really a summer "blockbuster" action
movie that merely wears the trappings of Star Trek, as opposed to a movie that is Star Trek
through to its soul and happens to have good action and dazzling f/x as well?
uh, yeah, I guess so!

I finally made it last night... it was, uh, okay.  I got caught up in the action of the second half, and quite enjoyed Spock at the end (I have no problem with Spock shedding a tear or getting lost in a rage of vengeance -- he is half human and still learning to control his emotions at this stage of his life). 

The problems are many.  The opening sequence is idiotic, an unbelievable action set piece, the only purpose of which was to serve as an entry point into the plot.  There was never a sense of danger there, because it's obvious that none of the characters in the scene are going to die in the first 5 minutes of the movie.  There were a lot of things going on that just served the needs of the moment, the action or the plot.

BTW, Geoff -- I was fine with the Tribble.  They referenced a couple of episodes, mentioning the "Mudd incident" at one point, so perhaps there was a Tribble incident along the way as well.  It was, after all, a dead tribble.
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2013, 02:52:02 PM »
Just saw it tonight.  I have to admit, this essay really changed my point of view.  I'll wait a while to discuss the movie.  What's the accepted time frame to avoid spoilers?
I haven't seen the movie yet.  Who knows, I may never see it.  But I'll take a stab at it anyway.
Does it have anything to do with the possible fact that this is really a summer "blockbuster" action
movie that merely wears the trappings of Star Trek, as opposed to a movie that is Star Trek
through to its soul and happens to have good action and dazzling f/x as well?
uh, yeah, I guess so!

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I've been getting some amusement over reading the various reviews of ST:ID.
Here's the end of the usually entertaining and occasionally enigmatic Richard
Von Busack's review in the San Jose Metro:

Quote

The bigger emotional climax is, sadly, mush.  To make it plain:  I want to be
the weakling who snivels when Spock looks manfully at Kirk, barely concealing
his emotions.  I don't want to watch them snivel at each other.

Quinto is an odd duck -- a pale Poindexter, an overexplainer so pedantic you
feel for him.  I loved the way Spock dropped his jaw a little when Kirk declares
his friendship, as if what the captain had said was shockingly indecent.  When
Quinto's Spock and Pine's Kirk look at each other, it's clear there could be no
other serious affection in each other's lives; the prophecies in the slash
fiction are fulfilled.

These reboots are a fight between market forces, between what a friend
dismissively calls "gamer crap" and the sturdy roots of the Trek mythos, whose
lifeblood (and sap) come from 20th-century moveimaking.

The tensions resemble the same quarrel between military ardor and technical
expertise played out in every giant-insect movie ever made; eventually, the
white coats and the top brass patch up the differences between them over the
bodies of the dead alien invaders.  Maybe I'm being too hard on the Captain.
Kirk is still essentially out of control when the movies ends, but maybe, just
maybe, he's beginning to see the light of logic.  No, probably just another lens
flare.

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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2013, 02:53:05 PM »
Of the high-profile sci-fi movies this summer that I'm aware of, three down and
one to go.  Oblivion, Star Trek Into Darkness, and After Earth all getting mixed
reviews, with ST:ID clearly the better of a sorry lot, and the other two fighting
a hard battle for last place.  That leaves Elysium starring Jodie Foster and Matt
Damon.  Any others to watch for?
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2013, 03:20:12 PM »
Of the high-profile sci-fi movies this summer that I'm aware of, three down and
one to go.  Oblivion, Star Trek Into Darkness, and After Earth all getting mixed
reviews, with ST:ID clearly the better of a sorry lot, and the other two fighting
a hard battle for last place.  That leaves Elysium starring Jodie Foster and Matt
Damon.  Any others to watch for?

Personally I'm looking forward to Man of Steel; if nothing else Michael Shannon as General Zod is worth the price for me. I was interested in Pacific Rim until I saw the trailer; it's clearly a Transformers knock-off. Ditto R.I.P.D., a Men in Black clone.  I'm with ya on Elysium because I loved District 9.

Oh and World War Z has gotten bad early buzz.
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #116 on: June 05, 2013, 04:12:19 PM »
Of the high-profile sci-fi movies this summer that I'm aware of, three down and
one to go.  Oblivion, Star Trek Into Darkness, and After Earth all getting mixed
reviews, with ST:ID clearly the better of a sorry lot, and the other two fighting
a hard battle for last place.  That leaves Elysium starring Jodie Foster and Matt
Damon.  Any others to watch for?

Personally I'm looking forward to Man of Steel; if nothing else Michael Shannon as General Zod is worth the price for me. I was interested in Pacific Rim until I saw the trailer; it's clearly a Transformers knock-off. Ditto R.I.P.D., a Men in Black clone.  I'm with ya on Elysium because I loved District 9.

Oh and World War Z has gotten bad early buzz.

The trailer for World War Z looked a mess.  Elysium's trailer looked good.

Not all that interested in yet another Superman flick.
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2013, 05:22:51 PM »
Any others to watch for?

There was also a trailer for "Ender's Game", but I think it said it was coming out Nov. 1.  The trailer looked fine, but I think they're going to ruin it anyway.  And, since it's based on a game already (prophetically, by Orson Scott Card), the "gamer crap" will be off the charts. 
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #118 on: August 10, 2013, 06:19:20 PM »
on MeTV at 9 tonite: "Space Seed", the Star Trek episode that introduced Ricardo Montalban as Khan.
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Re: The Star Trek (and other Sci-Fi) thread
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2013, 07:55:37 AM »
Goldstar is offering half-price tix for the Trek convo at the Hyatt Burlingame. Shatner will be in da house.

http://www.goldstar.com/events/burlingame-ca/the-official-star-trek-convention
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