10at10 Club
Main Discussion Area => Stream of Consciousness => Topic started by: Big Fingers McGee on August 12, 2013, 08:17:24 AM
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I started this thread to disseminate discussion away from the Captain's awesome 10@10 efforts. This thread should be for 10@10 in general as it relates to Renee, KFOG and company.
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Today's 1971 set from Renee was excellent!
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I started this thread to disseminate discussion away from the Captain's awesome 10@10 efforts. This thread should be for 10@10 in general as it relates to Renee, KFOG and company.
This the intention I had when I started that thread. However I didn't feel it was my place to complain
when CapnJack started posting his work there, particularly as everyone seemed to be enjoying it.
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I started this thread to disseminate discussion away from the Captain's awesome 10@10 efforts. This thread should be for 10@10 in general as it relates to Renee, KFOG and company.
This the intention I had when I started that thread. However I didn't feel it was my place to complain
when CapnJack started posting his work there, particularly as everyone seemed to be enjoying it.
My apologies for hijacking that thread.
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I started this thread to disseminate discussion away from the Captain's awesome 10@10 efforts. This thread should be for 10@10 in general as it relates to Renee, KFOG and company.
This the intention I had when I started that thread. However I didn't feel it was my place to complain
when CapnJack started posting his work there, particularly as everyone seemed to be enjoying it.
My apologies for hijacking that thread.
None needed. But I do think a place to discuss the existing show in general (such as: lead-ins/backsells, Renee's level of prep, 10@10 trends) is needed (although perhaps with its incremental progress, not as much as before).
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Today's 1971 set from Renee was excellent!
Yes it was. However I suspect it was just another happy accident aided by a strong year, and
that soon we will back to the usual. There does seem to be a new process in place, and to its
credit it has produced an occasional gem as well as a slightly better result overall.
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I'm just happy that her FB efforts have now extended past the "Gas was x cents per gallon" stage.
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Are there complaints about the length of the clips these days? I don't get it...
Of course, it's the quality of the clips, not their length. DM had some that were quite lengthy,
but they were done well. And a few long clips can help pad out an otherwise short set,
notably Monday's from 1963. That had to be just about the shortest 10@10 ever, and I can
think of several good ideas that would have extended it by a few minutes.
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Are there complaints about the length of the clips these days? I don't get it...
Of course, it's the quality of the clips, not their length. DM had some that were quite lengthy,
but they were done well. And a few long clips can help pad out an otherwise short set,
notably Monday's from 1963. That had to be just about the shortest 10@10 ever, and I can
think of several good ideas that would have extended it by a few minutes.
I agree it depends on the clip; that Tip O'Neill clip could've used judicious editing, as could that Ollie North thing. I think one difference is that Dave actually *lived* thru the eras he featured, so he knew what mattered; nowadays the clips are being chosen and edited by folks who have no personal/historical connection to the material.
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Are there complaints about the length of the clips these days? I don't get it...
Of course, it's the quality of the clips, not their length. DM had some that were quite lengthy,
but they were done well. And a few long clips can help pad out an otherwise short set,
notably Monday's from 1963. That had to be just about the shortest 10@10 ever, and I can
think of several good ideas that would have extended it by a few minutes.
I agree it depends on the clip; that Tip O'Neill clip could've used judicious editing, as could that Ollie North thing. I think one difference is that Dave actually *lived* thru the eras he featured, so he knew what mattered; nowadays the clips are being chosen and edited by folks who have no personal/historical connection to the material.
wow! I agree with Mike!
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Are there complaints about the length of the clips these days? I don't get it...
Of course, it's the quality of the clips, not their length. DM had some that were quite lengthy,
but they were done well. And a few long clips can help pad out an otherwise short set,
notably Monday's from 1963. That had to be just about the shortest 10@10 ever, and I can
think of several good ideas that would have extended it by a few minutes.
I agree it depends on the clip; that Tip O'Neill clip could've used judicious editing, as could that Ollie North thing. I think one difference is that Dave actually *lived* thru the eras he featured, so he knew what mattered; nowadays the clips are being chosen and edited by folks who have no personal/historical connection to the material.
While your point is valid and that factor certainly makes it easier to produce a good clip/montage,
I don't think it's prohibitive. I have very few memories specific to 1963, but with a little research
I could probably come up with plenty of good ideas. For me the issue is locating the source
material, but presumably they have better resources in that regard.
Annalisa had a different style than Dave, but she did a pretty good job on clips as well. It was
obvious she put work into them, and in fact in one of her e-mails she was very clear that she
didn't want to just copy what Dave had done. Contrast that with our current host, who has
used other's clips.
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Any DBAs here? I've long wanted to slurp the 10@10 lists into a database in order to run queries
and generate all manner of amusing trivia. What's the most played song in all of 10@10? Most
played artist? What artist has won BOS the most? What artist has been played the most without
winning BOS? Also most played song or artist for each year. Etc., etc.
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Any DBAs here? I've long wanted to slurp the 10@10 lists into a database in order to run queries
and generate all manner of amusing trivia. What's the most played song in all of 10@10? Most
played artist? What artist has won BOS the most? What artist has been played the most without
winning BOS? Also most played song or artist for each year. Etc., etc.
It's been done - we need to find you a Shraytabase. It's way out of date, Shray having found a life, but it was a labor of love while it lasted. Pretty cool stuff.
I'm great with data, but I've never been motivated enough to figure out how to scrape the web for 10@10 data. I have enough headache with data at work, I don't need to struggle with it on my off hours.
Darryl, an occasional participant here, is actually pretty good at that -- I think he's been scraping the lists for years.
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Any DBAs here? I've long wanted to slurp the 10@10 lists into a database in order to run queries
and generate all manner of amusing trivia. What's the most played song in all of 10@10? Most
played artist? What artist has won BOS the most? What artist has been played the most without
winning BOS? Also most played song or artist for each year. Etc., etc.
It's been done - we need to find you a Shraytabase. It's way out of date, Shray having found a life, but it was a labor of love while it lasted. Pretty cool stuff.
I'm great with data, but I've never been motivated enough to figure out how to scrape the web for 10@10 data. I have enough headache with data at work, I don't need to struggle with it on my off hours.
Darryl, an occasional participant here, is actually pretty good at that -- I think he's been scraping the lists for years.
I'm guessing that for the most part, one would be able to scrape together the 10@10 lists post-Shraytabase. Obviously, pre-Shraytabase info is essentially lost to history, unless DM himself kept track of them.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
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While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Same here, I'd be glad to help out in any way.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Well, copying and pasting into a spreadsheet isn't all that difficult -- it's just tedious.
If we come up with a column list and order (like - dateofshow, year, song, artist, special), then different folks can work on different periods and then we can have a big combining party to bring all the data together. Of course, specialty sets are a problem, but we can figure and algorithm for that...
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Well, copying and pasting into a spreadsheet isn't all that difficult -- it's just tedious.
If we come up with a column list and order (like - dateofshow, year, song, artist, special), then different folks can work on different periods and then we can have a big combining party to bring all the data together. Of course, specialty sets are a problem, but we can figure and algorithm for that...
That would be one method. We could also pick periods of time when the show aired (i.e. one person could input shows that aired 1/1/2011 through 6/30/2011).
This is starting to sound a bit like an actual work project.
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This is starting to sound a bit like an actual work project.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Well, copying and pasting into a spreadsheet isn't all that difficult -- it's just tedious.
If we come up with a column list and order (like - dateofshow, year, song, artist, special), then different folks can work on different periods and then we can have a big combining party to bring all the data together. Of course, specialty sets are a problem, but we can figure and algorithm for that...
That would be one method. We could also pick periods of time when the show aired (i.e. one person could input shows that aired 1/1/2011 through 6/30/2011).
This is starting to sound a bit like an actual work project.
if someone can update the database, let me know, and I'll put it on the server.
oh, by the way, the rent is due again!
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Whoa! Everybody slow down... I guess I need more explication.
I have a copy of the Shraytabase. I've also found Darryl's web site and have downloaded
some of his earlier files. Those two resources have helped me fill in a lot of the gaps I had
in early 2002, and eventually I hope they will aid me in resolving inconsistancies in my 2003
file.
I have been copying the set lists off the KFOG web site since 2002, which I believe is when
they started getting posted regularly there. It's a simple copy & paste operation. I keep them
in text files, one for each year. This makes them easy to search with simple command-line
utilities (i.e., grep). In the RR era the format of the set header line changed and the set listing
order was inverted to chronological from reverse chronological. More recently, the song lines got
reversed as well. Previously they were "artist - title", and now they're "title - artist". I griped
about this earlier, because I change it all before adding new set lists to my files in order to
maintain a format consistent with how it was done in previous years. This is all with an eye
toward eventually reading them into a database.
The Shraytabase is a spreadsheet, and I don't want to get into my "spreadsheets aren't
databases" rant here. But as a demonstration of that, perhaps someone would care to explain
how they would determine the artist who has won BOS the most, or the most played song from
1968, using the Shraytabase. I'm guessing it would take a fair amount of tricky Excel formula
manipulations to produce those answers. In contrast, if all the set lists were in a structured
database, I'm presuming that a fairly straightforward query statement is all that would be needed,
and the database program would do the rest.
Even with a database there are other hurdles. I correct spelling errors when I notice them, and
I've been slowly fixing other small formatting inconsistencies in my files. But as just one example,
Chicago, Chicago Transit Authority, CTA, and C.T.A. all appear with Questions 67 & 68.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Well, copying and pasting into a spreadsheet isn't all that difficult -- it's just tedious.
If we come up with a column list and order (like - dateofshow, year, song, artist, special), then different folks can work on different periods and then we can have a big combining party to bring all the data together. Of course, specialty sets are a problem, but we can figure and algorithm for that...
Oh no, you don't want to do it that way.
I copied select portions of the Shraytabase to another worksheet in Excel, and exported it to
a CSV file. Then I wrote a quick & dirty BASIC program to convert that into a text file with
the usual set list format. (I even used Zeller's congruence to get the day of the week in the
set header line.)
So rather than laboriously re-type everything, it would be far easier to reverse that process
by writing another cheap little program to take set lists and write them as a CSV file, importing
that file into Excel, and finally copy & pasting the new cells at the bottom of the existing entries.
However that is a project that I cannot undertake in the near term.
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But as a demonstration of that, perhaps someone would care to explain
how they would determine the artist who has won BOS the most, or the most played song from
1968, using the Shraytabase. I'm guessing it would take a fair amount of tricky Excel formula
manipulations to produce those answers.
My best friend formula in Excel is named "Concatenate". It can work wonders.
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Annalisa (& Renee) era sets are here on the boards. I've just been doing searches to find out which songs have been played before.
Didn't the Shrayatabase used to be on the front page? I can't find it anymore. I have a copy on my home computer though that I can upload if it's no longer found here.
There's a link on Stream of Consciousness that reads "The infamous Shraytabase", which if you click, will allow you to download the Excel file. Most recent entry: 11/21/2008.
While my DBA skills may not be up to par, compiling such a list should be a labor of love anyway, and I'm willing to input portions if the need arises.
Well, copying and pasting into a spreadsheet isn't all that difficult -- it's just tedious.
If we come up with a column list and order (like - dateofshow, year, song, artist, special), then different folks can work on different periods and then we can have a big combining party to bring all the data together. Of course, specialty sets are a problem, but we can figure and algorithm for that...
Oh no, you don't want to do it that way.
I copied select portions of the Shraytabase to another worksheet in Excel, and exported it to
a CSV file. Then I wrote a quick & dirty BASIC program to convert that into a text file with
the usual set list format. (I even used Zeller's congruence to get the day of the week in the
set header line.)
So rather than laboriously re-type everything, it would be far easier to reverse that process
by writing another cheap little program to take set lists and write them as a CSV file, importing
that file into Excel, and finally copy & pasting the new cells at the bottom of the existing entries.
However that is a project that I cannot undertake in the near term.
Sure, there are easier ways to get the data into a spreadsheet, or directly into a database (MySQL, for example). A web page, perhaps, with a text box where you paste in a set, click Go, and then it parses the text into some tables. There'd be some fuzzy parsing logic around inconsistencies in how the text was formatted, but it wouldn't be that difficult. Then a reporting page, to access the db and do queries. Hijack some more of Geoff's bandwidth, and everyone could play.
But also not a project I can undertake in the near term.
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Whoa! Everybody slow down... I guess I need more explication.
I have a copy of the Shraytabase. I've also found Darryl's web site and have downloaded
some of his earlier files. Those two resources have helped me fill in a lot of the gaps I had
in early 2002, and eventually I hope they will aid me in resolving inconsistancies in my 2003
file.
I have been copying the set lists off the KFOG web site since 2002, which I believe is when
they started getting posted regularly there. It's a simple copy & paste operation. I keep them
in text files, one for each year. This makes them easy to search with simple command-line
utilities (i.e., grep). In the RR era the format of the set header line changed and the set listing
order was inverted to chronological from reverse chronological. More recently, the song lines got
reversed as well. Previously they were "artist - title", and now they're "title - artist". I griped
about this earlier, because I change it all before adding new set lists to my files in order to
maintain a format consistent with how it was done in previous years. This is all with an eye
toward eventually reading them into a database.
The Shraytabase is a spreadsheet, and I don't want to get into my "spreadsheets aren't
databases" rant here. But as a demonstration of that, perhaps someone would care to explain
how they would determine the artist who has won BOS the most, or the most played song from
1968, using the Shraytabase. I'm guessing it would take a fair amount of tricky Excel formula
manipulations to produce those answers. In contrast, if all the set lists were in a structured
database, I'm presuming that a fairly straightforward query statement is all that would be needed,
and the database program would do the rest.
Even with a database there are other hurdles. I correct spelling errors when I notice them, and
I've been slowly fixing other small formatting inconsistencies in my files. But as just one example,
Chicago, Chicago Transit Authority, CTA, and C.T.A. all appear with Questions 67 & 68.
Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
And no, spreadsheets are not databases. But they are handy and portable. I get lots of stuff from clients in spreadsheet form, and I often write a formulas in cells to generate sql inserts and updates...
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db
cool!
would this db be installed here in the SMF forum? perhaps pwd-protected so that only reg'd users could run queries? or would/could it live elsewhere?
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db
cool!
would this db be installed here in the SMF forum? perhaps pwd-protected so that only reg'd users could run queries? or would/could it live elsewhere?
Since we have Rod as a co-administrator, and he knows what he's doing (as opposed to me!) I think it would be great if we could do that. We need to clean up some old SQL shit first though.
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And no, spreadsheets are not databases. But they are handy and portable. I get lots of stuff from clients in spreadsheet form, and I often write a formulas in cells to generate sql inserts and updates...
I have no problem with spreadsheets per se. I realize many people use them as databases
because they know no other way, and that may work within limits. I do not think that a
spreadsheet is the correct tool for a data set with over 3,000 records (set lists), each with more
than twenty elements, that one wants to use with complicated queries. I would rather search
my text files than search a large spreadsheet.
This is just a subsection of a larger rant, "what is considered computer literacy has been shrinking
over time"...
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
Apparently javascript is required, probably because your user name contains non-alphabetic
characters. I usually keep it turned off unless I really need it, and I've been able to use most
features on this board without it.
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
Apparently javascript is required, probably because your user name contains non-alphabetic
characters. I usually keep it turned off unless I really need it, and I've been able to use most
features on this board without it.
and I got your test PM yesterday
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
Apparently javascript is required, probably because your user name contains non-alphabetic
characters. I usually keep it turned off unless I really need it, and I've been able to use most
features on this board without it.
I was thinking the apostrophe was probably the culprit. Working in SQL, apostrophe's (or "ticks" in the jargon) have long been a problem.
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
Apparently javascript is required, probably because your user name contains non-alphabetic
characters. I usually keep it turned off unless I really need it, and I've been able to use most
features on this board without it.
and I got your test PM yesterday
Which I sent w/o javascript enabled.
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Oh, if you have a bunch of text files, I can load them into a db -- that's easy. I should have read this before replying to the other post.
I tried to reply to your PM, and got the following error:
Unable to find member 'lightnin' rod'.
That is odd. I know Geoff has sent me a PM before.
Apparently javascript is required, probably because your user name contains non-alphabetic
characters. I usually keep it turned off unless I really need it, and I've been able to use most
features on this board without it.
I was thinking the apostrophe was probably the culprit. Working in SQL, apostrophe's (or "ticks" in the jargon) have long been a problem.
Yep... back quotes are often used to probe poorly-designed web forms for vulnerabilities. You've
probably heard about little Bobby Tables...
http://xkcd.com/327/
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I realized I could tease this data out of my files with a few minutes of
screwing around with a programmable text editor and a quick file sort, so I did.
Encore sets noted as such were excluded. Here then is...
Eleven Months Of Renee
total sets 230
years total 209
themes total 21
themes:
holidays 7
other occasions 6
other topics 8
1963 1
1964 3
1965 4
1966 4
1967 6
1968 5
1969 6
1970 5
1971 6
1972 6
1973 8
1974 6
1975 7
1976 4
1977 5
1978 7
1979 7
1980 5
1981 8
1982 8
1983 7
1984 8
1985 7
1986 7
1987 7
1988 8
1989 5
1990 3
1991 6
1992 5
1993 6
1994 5
1995 5
1996 3
1997 5
1998 3
1999 2
2000 2
2001 3
2002 1
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Thanks for doing that... looks like it's not-so-random to me, more like a very gradual bell curve.
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Thanks for doing that... looks like it's not-so-random to me, more like a very gradual bell curve.
Yep -- at least in this interpretation of the data. It's easy to see that their sweet spot is between 73 and 88, with a gradual dropoff on either side of that. (Wonder what's up with 76 and 77 though?)
I'd be curious to see a month by month breakdown, and also one for the DC months as compared to Bill whatsisface's tenure.
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Thanks for doing that... looks like it's not-so-random to me, more like a very gradual bell curve.
Yep -- at least in this interpretation of the data. It's easy to see that their sweet spot is between 73 and 88, with a gradual dropoff on either side of that. (Wonder what's up with 76 and 77 though?)
I'd be curious to see a month by month breakdown, and also one for the DC months as compared to Bill whatsisface's tenure.
Dischead sent me a couple of lists, and I've loaded the 2013 (through 8/30) list into a db. It's not completely clean yet, but it's getting there. I just haven't had the time to do much with it since I created it.
I'll probably try to add the 2002 data this weekend. That's going to a bit more challenging, as the formatting of entries is a bit more chaotic. And things like "Mystery Year! answer at bottom" is going to play hell with my import algorithm.
Send me some data points you might want to see for this year. I can write a few queries...
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Thanks for doing that... looks like it's not-so-random to me, more like a very gradual bell curve.
you mean like an inverted geosyncline?
all I need to know is: How much Rush did she play?
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Thanks for doing that... looks like it's not-so-random to me, more like a very gradual bell curve.
Yep -- at least in this interpretation of the data. It's easy to see that their sweet spot is between 73 and 88, with a gradual dropoff on either side of that. (Wonder what's up with 76 and 77 though?)
I'd be curious to see a month by month breakdown, and also one for the DC months as compared to Bill whatsisface's tenure.
I have no problem with a lack of '76 & '77 -- two of the worst years ever.
I'm not sure what a month by month breakdown would show. With a range of forty years,
and just over twenty sets per month, each month would just have ones and zeros that
indicated which years did and did not get played that month.
A comparison of DC and post-DC periods might be more interesting, but he's only been gone
a couple of months. There's not enough data yet to make a meaningful comparison.
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I'll probably try to add the 2002 data this weekend. That's going to a bit more challenging, as the formatting of entries is a bit more chaotic. And things like "Mystery Year! answer at bottom" is going to play hell with my import algorithm.
Send me some data points you might want to see for this year. I can write a few queries...
How does your input process work? Do you have a template, and anything that doesn't fit
gets flagged for review?
It might be best for me to create special versions of my text files specifically for database input
by deleting all the extraneous information, putting the year on the header line for mystery sets,
etc. It may be easier to do that than to write the filters or whatever to weed that stuff out
later. The 2013 file was fairly clean, in large part because whoever is posting the sets on the
KFOG site in the RR era has been putting in minimal effort. The 2002 file has more irregularities.
Keep track of what the biggest PITA issues are, and maybe I can eliminate them in the future.
What I'd like to see is the most played artist(s) by year, and overall.
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all I need to know is: How much Rush did she play?
One song: New World Man on August 8th of this year.
Whether that's too much or not enough will be left as an exercise for the reader.
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all I need to know is: How much Rush did she play?
One song: New World Man on August 8th of this year.
Whether that's too much or not enough will be left as an exercise for the reader.
we all know the answer to that.
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all I need to know is: How much Rush did she play?
One song: New World Man on August 8th of this year.
Whether that's too much or not enough will be left as an exercise for the reader.
we all know the answer to that.
I'm a little surprised that "Tom Sawyer" didn't make an appearance.
I also don't believe that any post-1989 Rush has ever been played on 10@10. "Dreamline", "Roll The Bones", "Ghost Of A Chance", etc. would help diversify a 1991 or 1992 set.
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I'll probably try to add the 2002 data this weekend. That's going to a bit more challenging, as the formatting of entries is a bit more chaotic. And things like "Mystery Year! answer at bottom" is going to play hell with my import algorithm.
Send me some data points you might want to see for this year. I can write a few queries...
How does your input process work? Do you have a template, and anything that doesn't fit
gets flagged for review?
It might be best for me to create special versions of my text files specifically for database input
by deleting all the extraneous information, putting the year on the header line for mystery sets,
etc. It may be easier to do that than to write the filters or whatever to weed that stuff out
later. The 2013 file was fairly clean, in large part because whoever is posting the sets on the
KFOG site in the RR era has been putting in minimal effort. The 2002 file has more irregularities.
Keep track of what the biggest PITA issues are, and maybe I can eliminate them in the future.
What I'd like to see is the most played artist(s) by year, and overall.
Basically, looking for patterns in the text to parse from. I can update with details later, when I get home (lacking a more exciting idea for a Friday night - sad). Heck, I can even post the parsing sql if you are interested.
Eventually I will turn the patterns I am hacking together now into sql functions where, hopefully, we can just feed them lines and they will spit out relatively clean data.
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I'll probably try to add the 2002 data this weekend. That's going to a bit more challenging, as the formatting of entries is a bit more chaotic. And things like "Mystery Year! answer at bottom" is going to play hell with my import algorithm.
Send me some data points you might want to see for this year. I can write a few queries...
How does your input process work? Do you have a template, and anything that doesn't fit
gets flagged for review?
It might be best for me to create special versions of my text files specifically for database input
by deleting all the extraneous information, putting the year on the header line for mystery sets,
etc. It may be easier to do that than to write the filters or whatever to weed that stuff out
later. The 2013 file was fairly clean, in large part because whoever is posting the sets on the
KFOG site in the RR era has been putting in minimal effort. The 2002 file has more irregularities.
Keep track of what the biggest PITA issues are, and maybe I can eliminate them in the future.
What I'd like to see is the most played artist(s) by year, and overall.
Basically, looking for patterns in the text to parse from. I can update with details later, when I get home (lacking a more exciting idea for a Friday night - sad). Heck, I can even post the parsing sql if you are interested.
Eventually I will turn the patterns I am hacking together now into sql functions where, hopefully, we can just feed them lines and they will spit out relatively clean data.
I bet variations on names causes problems, too.... like REM vs. R.E.M.
will we, as mere mortals, be able to use this db? :) :)
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I bet variations on names causes problems, too.... like REM vs. R.E.M.
will we, as mere mortals, be able to use this db? :) :)
Yep, I noted this earlier. Also Beatles vs. The Beatles, CTA/C.T.A./Chicago Transit Authority/Chicago,
etc. Song titles are also occasionally modified or abbreviated. And there may be speeling errars...
Whether mere mortals will able to use this db is up to Rod and depends on what kind of UI
can be put on it.
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How does your input process work? Do you have a template, and anything that doesn't fit
gets flagged for review?
It might be best for me to create special versions of my text files specifically for database input
by deleting all the extraneous information, putting the year on the header line for mystery sets,
etc. It may be easier to do that than to write the filters or whatever to weed that stuff out
later. The 2013 file was fairly clean, in large part because whoever is posting the sets on the
KFOG site in the RR era has been putting in minimal effort. The 2002 file has more irregularities.
Keep track of what the biggest PITA issues are, and maybe I can eliminate them in the future.
Basically, looking for patterns in the text to parse from. I can update with details later, when I get home (lacking a more exciting idea for a Friday night - sad). Heck, I can even post the parsing sql if you are interested.
Eventually I will turn the patterns I am hacking together now into sql functions where, hopefully, we can just feed them lines and they will spit out relatively clean data.
I guess I'm still a little confused on the process. I would have thought the regularity in the
files vis-a-vis blank lines would make it easy to distinguish the sets and their individual elements.
At the very least, it would be easy in a text editor to replace them with any delimiter you wanted.
I tried to make the format as consistent as possible with this end in mind.
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
iirc, the Shraytabase was pulling from the KFOG setlist page, and not from here.
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
I don't really understand what's going on in the database, but on that one post in a thread for each date where our 'official' list is posted, I'd appreciate a little respect for the music, by accurately, and non-editorially listing the artists and songs. Sometimes KFOG is responsible for the misspellings, but those should be fixed too.
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How does your input process work? Do you have a template, and anything that doesn't fit
gets flagged for review?
It might be best for me to create special versions of my text files specifically for database input
by deleting all the extraneous information, putting the year on the header line for mystery sets,
etc. It may be easier to do that than to write the filters or whatever to weed that stuff out
later. The 2013 file was fairly clean, in large part because whoever is posting the sets on the
KFOG site in the RR era has been putting in minimal effort. The 2002 file has more irregularities.
Keep track of what the biggest PITA issues are, and maybe I can eliminate them in the future.
Basically, looking for patterns in the text to parse from. I can update with details later, when I get home (lacking a more exciting idea for a Friday night - sad). Heck, I can even post the parsing sql if you are interested.
Eventually I will turn the patterns I am hacking together now into sql functions where, hopefully, we can just feed them lines and they will spit out relatively clean data.
I guess I'm still a little confused on the process. I would have thought the regularity in the
files vis-a-vis blank lines would make it easy to distinguish the sets and their individual elements.
At the very least, it would be easy in a text editor to replace them with any delimiter you wanted.
I tried to make the format as consistent as possible with this end in mind.
It's all a work in progress. We don't necessarily find the optimum process the first time through, especially when I'm doing this after a round of golf and a few after golf adult beverages. I'm basically hacking my way through the first time around. It will get better, easier.
But, for now, a couple of results for 2013 (not QA'd very much_ --
Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
The Who 12
The Beatles 10
Elton John 10
Fleetwood Mac 10
Doobie Brothers 10
Bonnie Raitt 10
Grateful Dead 9
Neil Young 9
Stevie Ray Vaughan 9
The Kinks 9
Steve Winwood 8
Santana 8
Steely Dan 8
The Police 8
Paul Simon 8
Red Hot Chili Peppers 8
Little Feat 8
Joe Jackson 8
Dire Straits 8
Dave Matthews Band 7
Genesis 7
Elvis Costello 7
Bob Dylan 7
Beach Boys 7
Joe Walsh 7
Jackson Browne 7
John Lennon 7
John Mellencamp 7
Peter Gabriel 7
Pretenders 7
Stevie Wonder 7
Talking Heads 6
The Cure 6
Smashing Pumpkins 6
Sheryl Crow 6
Tom Petty 6
Pink Floyd 6
Queen 6
Otis Redding 6
Moody Blues 6
Jimi Hendrix 6
Blues Traveler 6
Top artists by year:
setYear artist Count
1967 Jimi Hendrix 4
1973 Led Zeppelin 4
1983 The Police 4
1987 U2 4
1988 U2 3
1986 The Smiths 3
1971 The Who 3
1997 Third Eye Blind 3
1984 Thompson Twins 3
1993 Sheryl Crow 3
1969 Rolling Stones 3
1975 Steely Dan 3
1988 Steve Winwood 3
1991 Stevie Ray Vaughan 3
1975 Led Zeppelin 3
1969 Led Zeppelin 3
1968 Moody Blues 3
1984 Prince 3
1995 Radiohead 3
1966 Rolling Stones 3
1987 INXS 3
1973 Jimmy Cliff 3
1984 Joe Jackson 3
1985 John Fogerty 3
1993 John Hiatt 3
1973 Dr. John 3
1973 Elton John 3
1977 Eric Clapton 3
1983 Eurythmics 3
1986 Fabulous thunderbirds 3
1988 Escape Club 3
1988 Fine Young Cannibals 3
1995 Garbage 3
1978 George Thorogood 3
1966 Beach Boys 3
NULL Beatles 3
1966 Bob Dylan 3
1994 Blues Traveler 3
1975 Bruce Springsteen 3
1984 Bruce Springsteen 3
1993 Chris Isaak 3
NULL Bruce Springsteen 3
1997 Chumbawamba 3
1993 Cracker 3
1991 Dire Straits 3
1966 Donovan 3
1984 Don Henley 2
1974 David Bowie 2
1980 Dire Straits 2
1991 Divinyls 2
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
I don't really understand what's going on in the database, but on that one post in a thread for each date where our 'official' list is posted, I'd appreciate a little respect for the music, by accurately, and non-editorially listing the artists and songs. Sometimes KFOG is responsible for the misspellings, but those should be fixed too.
It's actually been rare that such editorializing has taken place in the list-posting here, since we had traditionally taken the list from the KFOG website. More recently it comes from what gets posted in the g'snipes FB thread and I actually edit the snark out of that version when I cut and paste -- they tend to get sarcastic about the news/movie/commercial clips.
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For those interested, I loaded all the text from the file into a rawdata table, and then started parsing into two tables, setHeader (setDate, setYear), and then into setDetails, and linked up to setHeader. Here is the sql (made up as I went along):
-- create a rawdata table to import the raw data
if not exists (select * from sysobjects where id = OBJECT_ID('dbo.rawdata') and xtype = 'U')
create table dbo.rawdata (
raw_id int identity(1,1), -- used later to group up
rawdata varchar(256)
)
-- import the rawdata -- i used excel to write inserts. (see SQL Query 2)
-- also, i replaced ticks ("'") with "#" in the text file to make my life simpler.
select * from rawdata
DELETE rawdata where rtrim(rawdata) = '' -- get rid of empty lines
select * from rawdata
-- start parsing rawdata into tables.
-- create set table
create table setHeader (
setHeaderId int identity(1,1),
setDate datetime,
setYear int,
specialty varchar(255),
raw_id int,
rawtrim varchar(255),
rawdata varchar(255)
)
--drop table setHeader
-- add recs to set table. based on if there is a date at the front of text
insert into setHeader (
setDate,
rawtrim,
rawdata,
raw_id
)
select
LEFT(rawdata, charindex('-',rawdata) - 2),
REPLACE(replace(rawdata, 'It#s', ''), '!', ''),
rawdata,
raw_id
from
rawdata
where charindex('-', rawdata) > 0
and ISDATE(LEFT(rawdata, charindex('-',rawdata) - 2)) = 1
ORDER BY CONVERT(datetime, LEFT(rawdata, charindex('-',rawdata) - 2))
-- get rid of days, we can always figure that out from the date
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Monday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Tuesday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Wednesday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Thursday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Friday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Saturday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Sunday', '')
UPDATE setHeader SET rawtrim = replace(rawtrim, 'Monday', '')
select * from setHeader
-- get years if numeric (not completely reliable)
update setHeader set setYear = RIGHT(rawtrim, 4)
where Isnumeric(RIGHT(rawtrim, 4)) = 1
-- if year is null, must be specialty. set specialty
select * from setHeader where setYear is null
update setHeader set specialty = ltrim(right(rawtrim, charindex('-', Reverse(rawtrim))-3))
from setHeader where setYear is null
--
select * from setHeader
-- okay, sets look good, move on to set entries
create table setEntries(
setEntriesId int identity(1,1),
setHeaderId int,
entryOrder int,
entryType char(1),
songOrder int,
song varchar(255),
artist varchar(255),
raw_id int,
rawtrim varchar(255),
rawdata varchar(255)
)
alter table setEntries
add bos bit
select * from setEntries
insert into setEntries (
rawdata,
raw_id
)
select
rawdata,
raw_id
from
rawdata
where charindex('-', rawdata) > 0
and ISDATE(LEFT(rawdata, charindex('-',rawdata) - 2)) < 1
-- attach entries to sets
update setEntries set setHeaderId = h.setHeaderId from (
select setHeaderId, raw_id, (select top 1 raw_id from setHeader s2 where s2.raw_id > sh.raw_id
order by s2.raw_id) raw_next
from setHeader sh
) h
where setEntries.raw_id between h.raw_id and isnull(h.raw_next, 9999)
-- lets parse the rawdata
select * from setEntries
where CHARINDEX(',', rawdata) > 0
-- fix 2 rows with , instead of period in numbering
update setEntries set rawdata = replace(rawdata, ',', '.') where raw_id in (161, 392)
--select
-- rawdata,
-- LEFT(rawdata, charindex('.', rawdata) - 1), --,
-- replace(ltrim(rtrim(SUBSTRING(rawdata, charindex('.', rawdata) + 1, charindex('-', rawdata) - 3))), '-', ''),
-- replace(right(rawdata, len(rawdata) - charindex('-', rawdata)), '#', '''')
--from setEntries
--where CHARINDEX('.', rawdata) >0
update setEntries set
entryType = 'S',
songOrder = LEFT(rawdata, charindex('.', rawdata) - 1),
song = replace(right(rawdata, len(rawdata) - charindex('-', rawdata)), '#', ''''),
artist = replace(ltrim(rtrim(SUBSTRING(rawdata, charindex('.', rawdata) + 1, charindex('-', rawdata) - 3))), '-', '')
where CHARINDEX('.', rawdata) >0
update setEntries set artist = REPLACE(artist, '#', '''')
-- deal with BOS
select * FROM setEntries where song like '%BOS%'
update setEntries set bos = 1 where song like '%BOS%'
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(BOS)', '')
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(2-way tie for BOS)', '')
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(3-way tie for BOS)', '')
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(4-way tie for BOS)', '')
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(three-way tie for BOS)', '')
update setEntries set song = REPLACE(song, '(two-way tie for BOS)', '')
update setEntries set bos = 0 where setEntriesId = 804
select * from setEntries
select song, artist, COUNT(*), MAX(setEntriesId) from setEntries
group by song, artist
order by count(*) desc, song, artist
--order by COUNT(*) desc
select MAX(setDate) from setHeader
select song, artist, COUNT(*) cnt, max(setDate) maxdate, MIN(setDate) mindate
from setEntries se
join setHeader sh on sh.setHeaderId = se.setHeaderId
where bos = 1
group by song, artist
order by COUNT(*) desc
select * from setEntries where setEntriesId = 256
Eminence Front (4-way tie for BOS)
Mr. Jones (two-way tie for BOS)
So Tired of Being Alone (three-way tie for BOS)
Hot in Herre (2-way tie for BOS)
Fake Plastic Trees (3-way tie for BOS)
select * from setHeader sh
join setEntries se on se.setHeaderId = sh.setHeaderId
order by sh.setDate, se.setHeaderId, se.raw_id
select setYear, COUNT(*) from setHeader
where setYear is not null
group by setYear
order by COUNT(*) desc
select * from setHeader where setYear = 977
righREVERSE
select charindex(' ',rawdata) from rawdata
where
8/30/13 - Friday! It#s the End Of Summer
select setYear, artist, COUNT(*)
from setHeader sh
join setEntries se on se.setHeaderId = sh.setHeaderId
group by setYear, artist
order by COUNT(*) desc
select artist, COUNT(*)
from setHeader sh
join setEntries se on se.setHeaderId = sh.setHeaderId
group by artist
order by COUNT(*) desc
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
I don't really understand what's going on in the database, but on that one post in a thread for each date where our 'official' list is posted, I'd appreciate a little respect for the music, by accurately, and non-editorially listing the artists and songs. Sometimes KFOG is responsible for the misspellings, but those should be fixed too.
I agree, both from a database perspective, and a general sense of respect for anyone who can make it in the music business. Snark in individual posts is fine, we all have our opinions. But if we are recording what was in a set, I suggest that we go the Jack Webb route -- just the facts, ma'am.
As for the database, eventually I'd like to work with dischead and load everything we have. Then, perhaps, I *could* write an interface that we could host somewhere, and everyone would have access. But I'm not promising anything. I do this (database and programming) at work; I play golf for fun.
Of course, if dischead and others want to get together to throw a Frisbee around, that would be fun too. I miss Frisbee.
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I've started on the 2002 list dischead provided. Ran into some issues, and I've stopped for the day. I think tomorrow I might try from a different angle. I can do everything with sql, but perhaps reading files sequentially with a program would be easier. I need to download some software.
I'm interested in this project whether anyone ends up benefiting or not. I think I'll learn a new language to get it to work. Just for fun.
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By the way, Rod, I'm in SQL-learning mode at work, and this is very helpful. Thanks!
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I used to do simple database programming in dbase and 4D. I'm probably too old to learn SQL. It would be nice.
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Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
The Who 12
The Beatles 10
tied for first!
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Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
The Who 12
The Beatles 10
tied for first!
Heh. I'm sure this is a common issue. For the record, I'd consider Bruce Springsteen/Bruce Springsteen & The E-Street Band to be one entity, as I would Tom Petty with and without the Heartbreakers, and so forth.
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love the idea of getting database together. This is why I've always had a problem with misspellings in the post that contains the setlist. Also why I don't like seeing "Crapton" in a list!
How about Sheryl 'Ho?
iirc, the Shraytabase was pulling from the KFOG setlist page, and not from here.
I have also been compiling my files from the set lists posted on the KFOG page. I correct
spelling errors when I see them, but I have not been diligent about checking for them. I also
have made no effort to use consistent names for the bands.
I can see using some kind of a spell check algorithm to locate mispelled and alternate group
names.
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It's all a work in progress. We don't necessarily find the optimum process the first time through, especially when I'm doing this after a round of golf and a few after golf adult beverages. I'm basically hacking my way through the first time around. It will get better, easier.
I don't "know" SQL, but reading what you posted downthread makes it clear what you're
doing. More comments on that in a reply to another post.
But, for now, a couple of results for 2013 (not QA'd very much_ --
Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
YES!! Great stuff! This is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. All kinds of pointless trivia
can be generated. (grin)
The first thought I had was to look for the Foo Fighters. And they aren't on the list. But they
probably would be for a list generated from AL's shows. Which leads me to suggest that the
database should have a field for "host," so this kind of comparison can be made between DM,
AL, and RR etc.
Perhaps I should also send you the data for October through December 2012, so you have the
complete RR era through August.
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Top artists by year:
I sorted and rearranged this a little...
year/count/artist
1966 3 Beach Boys
1966 3 Bob Dylan
1966 3 Donovan
1966 3 Rolling Stones
1967 4 Jimi Hendrix
1968 3 Moody Blues
1969 3 Led Zeppelin
1969 3 Rolling Stones
1971 3 The Who
1973 4 Led Zeppelin
1973 3 Dr. John
1973 3 Elton John
1973 3 Jimmy Cliff
1974 2 David Bowie
1975 3 Bruce Springsteen
1975 3 Led Zeppelin
1975 3 Steely Dan
1977 3 Eric Clapton
1978 3 George Thorogood
1980 2 Dire Straits
1983 4 The Police
1983 3 Eurythmics
1984 3 Bruce Springsteen
1984 3 Joe Jackson
1984 3 Prince
1984 3 Thompson Twins
1984 2 Don Henley
1985 3 John Fogerty
1986 3 Fabulous Thunderbirds
1986 3 The Smiths
1987 4 U2
1987 3 INXS
1988 3 Escape Club
1988 3 Fine Young Cannibals
1988 3 Steve Winwood
1988 3 U2
1991 3 Dire Straits
1991 3 Stevie Ray Vaughan
1991 2 Divinyls
1993 3 Chris Isaak
1993 3 Cracker
1993 3 John Hiatt
1993 3 Sheryl Crow
1994 3 Blues Traveler
1995 3 Garbage
1995 3 Radiohead
1997 3 Chumbawamba
1997 3 Third Eye Blind
NULL 3 Beatles
NULL 3 Bruce Springsteen
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Of course, if dischead and others want to get together to throw a Frisbee around, that would be fun too. I miss Frisbee.
And Frisbee misses you! Come back... come back to Frisbee! All will be forgiven!
Did you know there's a permanent, 18-hole disc golf course in Golden Gate Park? You can have
Frisbee and golf too!
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I've started on the 2002 list dischead provided. Ran into some issues, and I've stopped for the day. I think tomorrow I might try from a different angle. I can do everything with sql, but perhaps reading files sequentially with a program would be easier. I need to download some software.
I can see what you're doing with the SQL code, and while you probably could do everything
that way, I'm guessing SQL isn't very good at string manipulation. So writing a program to
pre-process my text files and massage them into something that can more easy be slurped
directly into a database is probably the way to go, and is what I had envisioned. I tried to
edit my text files into a consistent format to ease that process.
I'm interested in this project whether anyone ends up benefiting or not. I think I'll learn a new language to get it to work. Just for fun.
Well, I use BASIC because it has fairly good string handling, or C if I need to get more into
character nitty-gritty. Or even TECO -- that's how old-school I am. But those choices are
largely because those are the tools I have and I'm very familiar with them. From what I've
heard, Perl might be a good choice, and Python is the current darling of the computing in-crowd.
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Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
The Who 12
The Beatles 10
tied for first!
Nice catch... but what you don't know -- because the list is truncated -- is that "The Rolling Stones"
have four songs. So they're still number one.
This nicely illustrates that any leading "the" in artist names will have to be removed when loaded
into the database. Case should be ignored as well. Punctuation is trickier; the periods in R.E.M.
should probably be removed, but not hypens or apostrophes.
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Top artists from 2013:
artist Count
Rolling Stones 23
Bruce Springsteen 19
U2 19
Beatles 13
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
The Who 12
The Beatles 10
tied for first!
Nice catch... but what you don't know -- because the list is truncated -- is that "The Rolling Stones"
have four songs. So they're still number one.
This nicely illustrates that any leading "the" in artist names will have to be removed when loaded
into the database. Case should be ignored as well. Punctuation is trickier; the periods in R.E.M.
should probably be removed, but not hypens or apostrophes.
And I just looked... "Who" has one song, so they jump ahead to tie with Led Zeppelin.
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Well, I use BASIC because it has fairly good string handling, or C if I need to get more into
character nitty-gritty. Or even TECO -- that's how old-school I am. But those choices are
largely because those are the tools I have and I'm very familiar with them. From what I've
heard, Perl might be a good choice, and Python is the current darling of the computing in-crowd.
I was thinking Python. Perl has excellent string manipulation capabilities, but it's been a number of years since I've used it.
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And I just looked... "Who" has one song, so they jump ahead to tie with Led Zeppelin.
Where do people stand on ampersands in band names?
I believe Big Head Todd and the Monsters is correct, not Big Head Todd & the Monsters.
However, I do believe Crosby, Stills & Nash is correct -- not "and".
My desire would be to replace "&" with "and" every time, but I guess we can not. :-\
ETA:
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Crosby, Stills, & Nash
Crosby Stills & Nash
CSN
?
maybe we should dump commas too
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After some cleanup (see the end) a better, but not perfect yet, list for 2013.
Rolling Stones 27
Beatles 23
Bruce Springsteen 20
U2 19
Who 15
Kinks 14
Led Zeppelin 13
R.E.M. 12
David Bowie 12
Eric Clapton 12
Pretenders 11
Grateful Dead 11
Fleetwood Mac 10
Doobie Brothers 10
Elton John 10
Bonnie Raitt 10
Dire Straits 9
Police 9
Neil Young 9
Stevie Ray Vaughan 9
Steve Winwood 8
Santana 8
Steely Dan 8
Paul Simon 8
Red Hot Chili Peppers 8
Joe Jackson 8
Little Feat 8
Beach Boys 8
-- cleanup
-- get rid of leading 'The ' (but not for Them, or from 'The The' who were not present anyway.
update setEntries set artist = right(artist, LEN(rtrim(artist)) - 4) from setEntries where left(artist, 4) = 'The '
-- bad parsing because of dashes in artist name (I can fix earlier) though there should not be a dash in B52's
(should there be an apostrophe?)
update setEntries set song = 'Loveshack', artist = 'B52''s' where setEntriesId = 309
update setEntries set song = 'Take on Me', artist = 'A-Ha' where setEntriesId = 1696
update setEntries set song = 'You Ain''t Seen Nothin'' Yet', artist = 'Bachman-Turner Overdrive' where setEntriesId = 799
update setEntries set song = 'Let It Ride', artist = 'Bachman-Turner Overdrive' where setEntriesId = 799
-- various issues, should be obvious (BTO, STP, CCR and CSN not spelled out, general mis-spellings, other shortcuts)
update setEntries set artist = 'Bachman-Turner Overdrive' where artist = 'BTO'
update setEntries set artist = 'Stone Temple Pilots' where artist = 'STP'
update setEntries set artist = 'Alanis Morissette' where artist = 'Alanis Morisette'
update setEntries set artist = 'Three Dog Night' where artist = '3 Dog Night'
update setEntries set artist = 'Allman Brothers Band' where artist = 'Allman Brothers'
update setEntries set artist = 'Big Head Todd and the Monsters' where artist = 'Big Head Todd & the Monsters'
update setEntries set artist = 'Bob Marley & the Wailers' where artist = 'Bob Marley & Wailers'
update setEntries set artist = 'Bruce Springsteen' where artist = 'Bruce Springteen'
update setEntries set artist = 'Simon & Garfunkel' where artist = 'Simon & Garfunkle'
update setEntries set artist = 'Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen' where artist = 'Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen'
update setEntries set artist = 'Dave Clark Five' where artist = 'Dave Clark 5'
update setEntries set artist = 'Dire Straits' where artist = 'Dire Strats'
update setEntries set artist = 'Crosby, Stills, & Nash' where artist = 'Crosby Stills & Nash' or artist = 'CSN'
update setEntries set artist = 'Creedence Clearwater Revival' where artist = 'CCR'
-- one backward entry in rawdata
update setEntries set artist = 'Prince', song = 'Little Red Corvette' where artist = 'Little Red Corvette'
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And I just looked... "Who" has one song, so they jump ahead to tie with Led Zeppelin.
Where do people stand on ampersands in band names?
I believe Big Head Todd and the Monsters is correct, not Big Head Todd & the Monsters.
However, I do believe Crosby, Stills & Nash is correct -- not "and".
My desire would be to replace "&" with "and" every time, but I guess we can not. :-\
I would guess we can... it's "our" db, after all. My argument is that "and" and ampersand are
equivalent, and while some artists may choose to use one or the other consistently for their
own stylistic reasons, we don't necessarily have to follow their lead, particularly if it results in
much wailing and gnashing of teeth while attempting to construct a useful database. And the
parade of people posting the set lists on the KFOG site aren't consistent either, nor do they
always conform to what the artist does.
ETA:
Crosby, Stills & Nash
Crosby, Stills, & Nash
Crosby Stills & Nash
CSN
?
maybe we should dump commas too
Well, CSN (and also CSNY, DMB, SRV, etc.) is an abbreviation and should be expanded. I regard
them as spelling errors, and change them when I notice them. (See my comments in the next
post.) As for commas, the easiest solution would be to strip them out -- again, the argument
being that we wish to minimize the rending of garments in what is supposed to be a enjoyable
enterprise. More complicated possibilities include using a special string comparison routine that
ignores punctuation, or storing both the original string for display purposes and a processed
string (i.e., with punctuation removed) for comparisons.
And then there's "Iggy Pop & Kate Pierson" vs. "Iggy Pop with Kate Pierson," and both "REM"
and "REM with Kate Pierson" are listed as performing "Shiny Happy People." (REM also does
"Shiny, Happy People" -- another reason to dump commas.)
BTW, for the non-computer people who are reading, this is the kind of niggling detail that
computer people often find themselves caught up in when attempting to write a program that
does even a relatively simple task that is easy and obvious for a human. I have read long and
involved monographs on how to account for all the possible variations in people's names, to
say nothing of street addresses. And that's just in the United States. When writing a program
for an international audience, there is a mind-boggling number of different address conventions,
telephone number formats, date and time formats, currency designations, etc. which have to
be accommodated.
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-- cleanup
-- get rid of leading 'The ' (but not for Them, or from 'The The' who were not present anyway.
update setEntries set artist = right(artist, LEN(rtrim(artist)) - 4) from setEntries where left(artist, 4) = 'The '
Yes, although technically "The The" should be "The" if we're going to be consistent about dropping
leading the's. But I'll accept an exception in this case. They do appear in several years.
-- bad parsing because of dashes in artist name (I can fix earlier) though there should not be a dash in B52's
(should there be an apostrophe?)
update setEntries set song = 'Loveshack', artist = 'B52''s' where setEntriesId = 309
update setEntries set song = 'Take on Me', artist = 'A-Ha' where setEntriesId = 1696
update setEntries set song = 'You Ain''t Seen Nothin'' Yet', artist = 'Bachman-Turner Overdrive' where setEntriesId = 799
update setEntries set song = 'Let It Ride', artist = 'Bachman-Turner Overdrive' where setEntriesId = 799
A hyphen in B52's is a spelling error. (See below.) According to Wikipedia, the apostrophe should
be there until 2008, when the band dropped it from their name. As for other hyphens, one of
the things I have been careful about in my files is making sure that the song title is separated
from the artist by space hyphen space (" - "). This convention isn't always observed by the
people posting the set lists on the KFOG site, but I try to correct it immediately. If I've missed
any, it's my fault, and it should be corrected as with spelling errors. This means that "legitimate"
hyphens in artist names and song titles should always be between two alphanumeric characters.
-- various issues, should be obvious (BTO, STP, CCR and CSN not spelled out, general mis-spellings, other shortcuts)
It's great that you're catching these and can easily write an update that fixes them, but in my
view these are errors that I should (and will) fix in my files. As you refine your process and
I correct my data, eventually they will be eliminated and this kind of ad hoc code won't be
necessary. I would suggest that every so often when you've collected a bunch of new errors,
send them to me in a PM so as not to bore everyone else, and I'll update my files. Periodically
I'll send you the updated files.
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? & The Mysterians - 96 Tears
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? & The Mysterians - 96 Tears
[tears hair from head; runs out of the room sobbing]
I have the 45, and on there it's printed as:
? (Question Mark)
& The Mysterians
(I also have Simon & Garfunkel's Fakin' It, with the time listed as 2:74.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakin'_It_(song)
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? & The Mysterians - 96 Tears
[tears hair from head; runs out of the room sobbing]
I have the 45, and on there it's printed as:
? (Question Mark)
& The Mysterians
(I also have Simon & Garfunkel's Fakin' It, with the time listed as 2:74.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakin'_It_(song)
LOL.
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It's great that you're catching these and can easily write an update that fixes them, but in my
view these are errors that I should (and will) fix in my files.
I am of course saving these, and will run them against future imports.
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-- various issues, should be obvious (BTO, STP, CCR and CSN not spelled out, general
I am correcting these in my files, along with AWB -> Average White Band, and Bros. -> Brothers.
update setEntries set artist = 'Commander Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen' where artist = 'Cody & His Lost Planet Airmen'
Heh. I also found "Commander Cody & His Lost Airmen" in one year.
update setEntries set artist = 'Three Dog Night' where artist = '3 Dog Night'
Also "The Three Degrees." But what of "3 Doors Down?"
-- one backward entry in rawdata
update setEntries set artist = 'Prince', song = 'Little Red Corvette' where artist = 'Little Red Corvette'
Actually, most of the entries in this set (6/10/13) were swapped. I have fixed. I have been on
the lookout for this since whoever posts the lists on the KFOG site reversed the order.
(grumble, grumble)
For the record, I am okay with "Question Mark and the Mysterians."
"That's going to cause a bit of confusion around here... mind if we call you Bruce?"
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"That's going to cause a bit of confusion around here... mind if we call you Bruce?"
Good one, Bruce.
As for 3 Doors Down, it makes me sad, but I think it's supposed to be a 3. We definitely can't just replace numbers in artist names -- TimbukThree just doesn't work.
Also, in 2013, there's an entry for 'A3' -- I think I looked them up, and they are a real band. I suppose.
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"That's going to cause a bit of confusion around here... mind if we call you Bruce?"
Good one, Bruce.
Thank you, Bruce!
As for 3 Doors Down, it makes me sad, but I think it's supposed to be a 3. We definitely can't just replace numbers in artist names -- TimbukThree just doesn't work.
Also, in 2013, there's an entry for 'A3' -- I think I looked them up, and they are a real band. I suppose.
I have no problem with names that use numerals, and I agree that they shouldn't be used as
abbreviations if the artist doesn't spell it that way. Punctuation marks are usually the problem
in data, as they are often reserved characters.
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If I was on vacation and idly musing about a 10@10 database as I watched the clouds float by,
these are some of the design issues I'd be ruminating over...
Including a type field to denote the different major categories of shows: year, theme, mystery,
vertical tasting/chartbusters.
How to deal with vertical tasting/chartbuster sets, where each song is from a different year.
How to deal with sets that don't have ten songs. Dave goofed at least once and played only
nine, and there are many sets that go to eleven, twelve, and even thirteen.
How to deal with Annalisa's "double plays" -- two short songs listed together, usually in an early
'60s show.
Encore/classic set issues... not all encores are denoted as such, and many DM-era encores are
from before 2002, and thus their first appearence is unique even though they're labeled as a
classic. And should sets that are repeated be counted when computing stats like the most
played artist or the number of times a year is visited? Or should it be an option whether to
include them or not?
Anyway, that's what I'd... Wow! That cloud looks like a penguin!
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Per Renee on how recent 10@10 goes...
Crazy, right? The most recent year is always 10 years back, 2003.
The comment was liked by Michael Moore.
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Anyway, that's what I'd... Wow! That cloud looks like a penguin!
LOL. I took my laptop up with me on my annual fishing trip (which coincidentally started the day of your post) thinking I might have some free time to get back to playing with the database. I had the time, but not the inclination, so the laptop never made it out of the bag.
Fish on.
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LOL. I took my laptop up with me on my annual fishing trip (which coincidentally started the day of your post) thinking I might have some free time to get back to playing with the database. I had the time, but not the inclination, so the laptop never made it out of the bag.
Excellent! Pondering a problem is permissible, but actually doing anything about it is verboten.
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Per Renee on how recent 10@10 goes...
Crazy, right? The most recent year is always 10 years back, 2003.
The comment was liked by Michael Moore.
The Michael Moore? Or is that some kind of pseudonym for someone with the initials MM?
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Per Renee on how recent 10@10 goes...
Crazy, right? The most recent year is always 10 years back, 2003.
The comment was liked by Michael Moore.
The Michael Moore? Or is that some kind of pseudonym for someone with the initials MM?
Presumably a different one. Or, that's what the Germans want us to believe (thanks Norm MacDonald!)
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another critic heard from: anonymous poster on the radiodiscussions.com message board...
"I realize no one can replace Dave Morey on 10-at-10, but shouldn't someone oversee what Renee is doing? The original idea behind 10 at 10 was to play songs from a long ago year that 1) were actually played on the radio, 2) have not been played on the radio much since, 3) were a blend of AOR, Alternative and Top 40, 4) had a cohesive flow with a nice blend of vocals, hard/soft etc, and 5) were spiced up with news and ad nuggets from that year. The current 10-at-10 sounds like something I can throw together in 10 minutes....pick out a bunch of songs from Joel Whitburn's Billboard Top 100 book and add in obscure album cuts from perhaps my own album collection...but never got airplay on even the most liberal free-form stations. Net result....a mess. 10 at 10 should be about reminiscence and maybe introducing a younger audience to some overlooked chestnuts....not plowing through stuff everyone knows or would never want to know."
I thought some of these points had merit, so I copied this comment here as the appropriate
thread for discussion of same.
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Just realized we get another Friday the 13th next week. "Holiday Hits From Hell" -- which Dave once did on a Friday 12/13 -- would be awesome but I somehow doubt it will happen.
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Just realized we get another Friday the 13th next week. "Holiday Hits From Hell" -- which Dave once did on a Friday 12/13 -- would be awesome but I somehow doubt it will happen.
12/13/02 - Friday the 13th....oh no, that means....HOLIDAY HITS FROM HELL!!
1. Singing Dogs - Jingle Bells
2. Barbara Streisand - Jingle Bells
3. Christmas Macarena
4. Madonna - Santa Baby
5. The Chipmunks - The Chipmunk Song
6. Bing Crosby & David Bowie - The Little Drummer Boy
7. Elmo & Patsy - Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer
8. Ray Stevens - Santa Claus is Watching You!
9. Cheech & Chong - Santa Claus & His Old Lady
10.Bobby Goldsboro - Snuffy's Goodbye Song
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Just realized we get another Friday the 13th next week. "Holiday Hits From Hell" -- which Dave once did on a Friday 12/13 -- would be awesome but I somehow doubt it will happen.
12/13/02 - Friday the 13th....oh no, that means....HOLIDAY HITS FROM HELL!!
1. Singing Dogs - Jingle Bells
2. Barbara Streisand - Jingle Bells
3. Christmas Macarena
4. Madonna - Santa Baby
5. The Chipmunks - The Chipmunk Song
6. Bing Crosby & David Bowie - The Little Drummer Boy
7. Elmo & Patsy - Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer
8. Ray Stevens - Santa Claus is Watching You!
9. Cheech & Chong - Santa Claus & His Old Lady
10.Bobby Goldsboro - Snuffy's Goodbye Song
Throw in that Train Christmas song from a couple years ago and Renee could run it again!
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Just realized we get another Friday the 13th next week. "Holiday Hits From Hell" -- which Dave once did on a Friday 12/13 -- would be awesome but I somehow doubt it will happen.
12/13/02 - Friday the 13th....oh no, that means....HOLIDAY HITS FROM HELL!!
1. Singing Dogs - Jingle Bells
2. Barbara Streisand - Jingle Bells
3. Christmas Macarena
4. Madonna - Santa Baby
5. The Chipmunks - The Chipmunk Song
6. Bing Crosby & David Bowie - The Little Drummer Boy
7. Elmo & Patsy - Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer
8. Ray Stevens - Santa Claus is Watching You!
9. Cheech & Chong - Santa Claus & His Old Lady
10.Bobby Goldsboro - Snuffy's Goodbye Song
Throw in that Train Christmas song from a couple years ago and Renee could run it again!
Be careful what you wish for.
Actually I enjoyed that set a lot when it aired. It was one I regretted not archiving at the time, and of course it never reappeared as a classic. C'est la vie.
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Here are the debut dates of the last ten years to be added to the big
wheel. I do not have the set lists to make any earlier determinations.
To be clear, I am talking about an entire set dedicated to one year, not
the appearence of individual songs. Theme sets often have more
contemporary tracks. Notably on December 31, 2009, Annalisa did a
decade review, playing one song from each of the "aughts."
2003 12-Sep-2011 AL
2002 18-Aug-2011 AL
2001 1-Aug-2011 AL
2000 12-Jul-2011 AL
1999 18-Jun-2009 AL
1998 2-Sep-2009 AL
1997 4-Jan-2008 DM
1996 8-Sep-2005 DM
1995 9-Jan-2004 DM [as a year of mystery]
1994 10-Jan-2003 DM
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Here are the debut dates of the last ten years to be added to the big
wheel. I do not have the set lists to make any earlier determinations.
To be clear, I am talking about an entire set dedicated to one year, not
the appearence of individual songs. Theme sets often have more
contemporary tracks. Notably on December 31, 2009, Annalisa did a
decade review, playing one song from each of the "aughts."
2003 12-Sep-2011 AL
2002 18-Aug-2011 AL
2001 1-Aug-2011 AL
2000 12-Jul-2011 AL
1999 18-Jun-2009 AL
1998 2-Sep-2009 AL
1997 4-Jan-2008 DM
1996 8-Sep-2005 DM
1995 9-Jan-2004 DM [as a year of mystery]
1994 10-Jan-2003 DM
wow, hitting hyper speed once we hit the 2000's, eh?
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Here are the debut dates of the last ten years to be added to the big
wheel. I do not have the set lists to make any earlier determinations.
To be clear, I am talking about an entire set dedicated to one year, not
the appearence of individual songs. Theme sets often have more
contemporary tracks. Notably on December 31, 2009, Annalisa did a
decade review, playing one song from each of the "aughts."
2003 12-Sep-2011 AL
2002 18-Aug-2011 AL
2001 1-Aug-2011 AL
2000 12-Jul-2011 AL
1999 18-Jun-2009 AL
1998 2-Sep-2009 AL
1997 4-Jan-2008 DM
1996 8-Sep-2005 DM
1995 9-Jan-2004 DM [as a year of mystery]
1994 10-Jan-2003 DM
wow, hitting hyper speed once we hit the 2000's, eh?
July 2011 saw the instigation of the infamous program director-mandated revamp that emphasized format-friendly songs over oddities and more recent years over sixties and seventies. Also, the end of the Saturday marathon.
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Here are the debut dates of the last ten years to be added to the big
wheel. I do not have the set lists to make any earlier determinations.
To be clear, I am talking about an entire set dedicated to one year, not
the appearence of individual songs. Theme sets often have more
contemporary tracks. Notably on December 31, 2009, Annalisa did a
decade review, playing one song from each of the "aughts."
2003 12-Sep-2011 AL
2002 18-Aug-2011 AL
2001 1-Aug-2011 AL
2000 12-Jul-2011 AL
1999 18-Jun-2009 AL
1998 2-Sep-2009 AL
1997 4-Jan-2008 DM
1996 8-Sep-2005 DM
1995 9-Jan-2004 DM [as a year of mystery]
1994 10-Jan-2003 DM
wow, hitting hyper speed once we hit the 2000's, eh?
The pattern seems to be that Dave would introduce a new year in January, except when he
skipped doing that for a couple of years. Annalisa largely ignored new years, until she caught
up by introducing four of them in one three-month period.
ETA:
July 2011 saw the instigation of the infamous program director-mandated revamp that emphasized format-friendly songs over oddities and more recent years over sixties and seventies.
Ah yes, that probably inspired Annalisa's additions to the Big Wheel...
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With Monday's 1968 set, I thought it would be all downhill for the rest of the week. And Wednesday's
2003 show, which held almost nothing of interest for me, seemed to confirm that. I was really hoping
for an early '70s appearance, which fortunately we got on Thursday. And then Friday's Beatles (Yay!)
tribute. So that was three above average shows this week, and it's the first time in a looong time
that I've missed having the Saturday morning marathon.
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it's the first time in a looong time that I've missed having the Saturday morning marathon.
I was thinking the same thing. It was also that rare week without a '90s set (tho' 1989 is close enuf, I suppose).
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So this being the third week of the Annalisa Era 2.0, we finally seem to have gotten a decent representation of years for the week: 60s, 70s, two from the 80s (both ends), and 90s. Far less gripe-worthy than the first two weeks. And the sets seem to be improving too. Guess maybe she was a little rusty. (Although from day 1 her sets were still far better than most of what we got from her predecessor.)
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So this being the third week of the Annalisa Era 2.0, we finally seem to have gotten a decent representation of years for the week: 60s, 70s, two from the 80s (both ends), and 90s. Far less gripe-worthy than the first two weeks. And the sets seem to be improving too. Guess maybe she was a little rusty. (Although from day 1 her sets were still far better than most of what we got from her predecessor.)
Well, the production values have improved a thousand-fold. And the delivery -- she loves what she does. I'd say that '90s and '00s sets are still a problem and that's probably out of her control. (The Peak's '90s sets generally suck too). But '60s '70s and early-to-mid '80s are gonna be swell, generally.
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So this being the third week of the Annalisa Era 2.0, we finally seem to have gotten a decent representation of years for the week: 60s, 70s, two from the 80s (both ends), and 90s. Far less gripe-worthy than the first two weeks. And the sets seem to be improving too. Guess maybe she was a little rusty. (Although from day 1 her sets were still far better than most of what we got from her predecessor.)
Well, the production values have improved a thousand-fold. And the delivery -- she loves what she does. I'd say that '90s and '00s sets are still a problem and that's probably out of her control. (The Peak's '90s sets generally suck too). But '60s '70s and early-to-mid '80s are gonna be swell, generally.
While she hasn't yet equaled her stellar March 10th 1971 debut, I agree that we've seen a marked
improvement over the previous year and a half. It seems likely that more good and great sets
will be forthcoming.
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I wish I was a headlight on a Northbound train...
I wish I was a headlight on a Northbound train!
I'd shine my light through cool Colorado rain...
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHZ-l8VCYAAed5y.jpg:large)
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I may be a little late in figuring this out, but I just realized that KFOG's Soundcloud page (where all their audio content gets posted on the SOundcloud site) has everything they've posted on Soundcloud back to the first of this year, and earlier (I just haven't scrolled that far back to see how far it really goes).
So if you want to hear Annalisa's first set back on KFOG or you're missing the sound of Renee's voice saying "let's get right to it" they're still there for you.
https://soundcloud.com/kfog
ETA: OK, I scrolled back as far as it went. Looks like there are 10@10s back to September of last year (and one random one from late August), but there are also a whole lot of what I'm guessing are Playspace sets (short, mostly around 10 minutes) going all the way back to October of 2012.
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This article is about radio in general, but it could pertain to 10@10:
Whereas some in the industry invoke the word “stable” to describe its condition, Scott does not equate that to being “healthy.” Since his adulation for the medium extends to when he was five years old, his desire is that it should be better than stable. “Part of that healthiness will come from kicking it,” he suggests. “Hopefully, the future is bright for radio — but — those in charge must wake up a bit. They have to realize that there are so many other methods to hear product. Even my mom streams online. She knows how to type in the Righteous Brothers and create her own station. Even under the context of a specialty show, you cannot just continue to play it safe. You must start to have fun and provide Olivia Newton-John listeners with an experience that will occasionally keep them away from other entertainment platforms. I do not know why some program directors are so scared to play certifiably huge number one records. When people hear Olivia Newton-John’s ‘Let’s Get Physical,’ they smile and remember the video. I do not know of one person who has a negative opinion of the artist. She is beautiful, her songs were cool, and there are tons of them. Still though, I do not know of one classic hits or oldies station that plays ‘Let’s Get Physical.’ That part is a shame.”
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This article is about radio in general, but it could pertain to 10@10:
Whereas some in the industry invoke the word “stable” to describe its condition, Scott does not equate that to being “healthy.” Since his adulation for the medium extends to when he was five years old, his desire is that it should be better than stable. “Part of that healthiness will come from kicking it,” he suggests. “Hopefully, the future is bright for radio — but — those in charge must wake up a bit. They have to realize that there are so many other methods to hear product. Even my mom streams online. She knows how to type in the Righteous Brothers and create her own station. Even under the context of a specialty show, you cannot just continue to play it safe. You must start to have fun and provide Olivia Newton-John listeners with an experience that will occasionally keep them away from other entertainment platforms. I do not know why some program directors are so scared to play certifiably huge number one records. When people hear Olivia Newton-John’s ‘Let’s Get Physical,’ they smile and remember the video. I do not know of one person who has a negative opinion of the artist. She is beautiful, her songs were cool, and there are tons of them. Still though, I do not know of one classic hits or oldies station that plays ‘Let’s Get Physical.’ That part is a shame.”
obviously, that's the way I feel about radio too, but (sadly) there ARE people who hate Olivia Newton-John, or Tony Orlando & Dawn, or Air Supply or you-name-it. They're a minority, but they're loud. Dave Morey used to have to deal with them all the time -- They screamed when he played ABBA or when he played disco. The guy who called him one morning during a Soul Patrol and yelled "Soul Patrol SUCKS!" Fogheads traditionally have been anti-pop (and somewhat anti-country unless Neil Young is involved). Lots of rock fans hate every other genre, and so on down the line. It's a shame, but it's true, and consultants (unfortunately) listen to those people.
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Playing songs outside of our format puts us in the ditch. Traveling there soon becomes scary, so we head back to the middle of the road. It's a bore, but it's comfortable, so we stay.
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Dylan's Simple Twist of Fate is technically a bust-out, as it has only appeared once in 2007 as a Bonus Track.
that's kind of astounding, but I've learned not to be surprised by anything anymore.
That surprises me a little, too, but what Mike said.
I'm curious though: what Blood on the Tracks tunes (besides Tangled Up in Blue, natch) have made it onto 10@10? I think Idiot Wind has, and I remember Lily, Rosemary & the Jack of Hearts a year or so ago -- any others?
Oh, the joy of text files! A few minutes of manipulation with some standard utilities and viola!
The current episode of data masturbation, titled Possibly More Than You Ever Wanted To
Know About Bob Dylan Appearances In Recorded 10@10 History...
While there have been 117 instances of Bob Dylan songs being played on 10@10 proper,
only 35 different titles have appeared. Out of the seven Dylan Bonus Tracks, only one,
Shelter From the Storm, has never been on 10@10. Four other selections from Blood
On The Tracks have been on the show: Tangled Up in Blue, Simple Twist of Fate,
Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts, and Buckets of Rain.
Six Dylan songs have won BOS: Girl From The North Country, It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only
Bleeding), Mozambique, Stuck Inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues Again,
Tangled Up In Blue, and Things Have Changed.
Complete song list with counts:
All Along the Watchtower
Ballad of a Thin Man
Blowin' in the Wind
Buckets Of Rain
Dignity
Everything Is Broken [13]
Forever Young [4]
Girl From The North Country [4]
Gotta Serve Somebody
Highway 61 Revisited [2]
Hurricane [3]
If Not For You
It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) [3]
Just Like a Woman [2]
Lay Lady Lay [4]
Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat [2]
Like a Rolling Stone [3]
Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts
Love Minus Zero/No Limit
Maggie's Farm [3]
Make You Feel My Love
Most Likely You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine
Mozambique [3]
Political World [5]
Positively 4th Street [3]
Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 [9]
Silvio [7]
Simple Twist of Fate
Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again [3]
Subterranean Homesick Blues [3]
Sweetheart Like You
Tangled Up in Blue [11]
The Times They Are a-Changin' [7]
Things Have Changed [4]
Union Sundown [6]
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Everything is Broken
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Hurricane
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - If Not For You
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Mozambique
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Shelter From the Storm
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again
BONUS TRACK: Bob Dylan - Tangled Up in Blue
ETA: Whoops! I missed the following birthday celebration set. I've updated the song list and counts accordingly.
5/24/05 - Tuesday! It's Bob Dylan's Birthday!!
1. Like a Rolling Stone
2. The Times They Are a-Changin'
3. All Along the Watchtower
4. Rainy Day Women #12 & 35
5. Tangled Up in Blue
6. Positively 4th Street
7. Hurricane
8. Subterranian Homesick Blues
9. Silvio
10.Forever Young
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Lowest Common Denominator 9, Creativity 0
we did "go to eleven" (Extra Innings, sez AL), tho', so there's that. ;)
But yeah, I expected nothing out of the ordinary so therefore I wasn't disappointed.
thought the walk-up tunes made it more interesting that it would've been w cliched BB songs. liked the MGMT a lot.
but overall, is 10at10 ever really anything out of the ordinary?
It used to be. Dave seemed to have a lot of creative license with the show. I'm often a little
surprised when I browse through the files and see some of the theme sets he did. I'll have to
pull some of the raw data out for a couple of the years for people to see. That said, there was
certain material that he never played.
I think many people were concerned about what Annalisa was going to do with the show, but
fears were quickly allayed. If anything, she was more open to a wider range of requests. She
also seemed to have significant creative input with regard to theme sets, clips, and even show
format -- for example, the frequent "two-fers" in '60s shows. She really put her heart into it
and did lots of "homework" for 10@10.
Alas, with "the change" in July 2011, her input has clearly been circumscribed. While her
production of the show has remained professional and top-notch, there was a spirit of
adventure that is absent now. And although there has been some tinkering with KFOG's
programming, the general direction and influence on 10@10 is still the same, and thus our
current malaise.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
I really hope this is true. Yeah, I know the shows are available online and such, but something about having them easily available while I'm out and about on a Saturday morning would be reassuring.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
The past two or three years have largely cured me of missing the Saturday morning marathon.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
The past two or three years have largely cured me of missing the Saturday morning marathon.
It strikes me as an odd bit of backtracking (maybe even desperation) on KFOG's part (they hit a new ratings low last month, with a 1.8 ). When the show was at its peak in both the Morey and early-AL eras, being able to hear shows on Saturday morning was essential. Once DC took over, notsomuch, although I shared the disappointment most Fogheads had because his decision seemed like corporate BS -- "reinforcing the KFOG brand" or whatever he said at the time. And with the Soundcloud version being available, well, not sure what the point of a marathon is. Unless Soundcloud is going away (to save money?).
ETA: this rumor originated on the 'snipes FB page, BTW -- someone said they heard Webster mention it on the air. But since AL is off we may not get confirmation until she reappears. Nothing on the KFOG website so far.
ETA2: it occurs to me that 4 hours of 10@10 from 7 to 11 means they can be automated for those hours and not have to pay Rosalie to come in on Saturday.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
I really hope this is true. Yeah, I know the shows are available online and such, but something about having them easily available while I'm out and about on a Saturday morning would be reassuring.
Just heard Renee mention that this is happening. So I guess they're just trying to pretend that DC never happened. Kinda like he did with that Twitch bozo.
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There's a rumor circulating that they're bringing back the Saturday morning 10@10 marathon.
I really hope this is true. Yeah, I know the shows are available online and such, but something about having them easily available while I'm out and about on a Saturday morning would be reassuring.
Just heard Renee mention that this is happening. So I guess they're just trying to pretend that DC never happened. Kinda like he did with that Twitch bozo.
To really act like DC never happened, Annalisa would have to go back to playing a lot more
requests/bust-outs. We've been getting a bit of that, but nowhere near as many as we did
at first.
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Someone on FB was talking about the all-10@10-all-the-time channel on KFOG HD2 -- I thought they'd pulled the plug on that a while ago, but apparently it's still going with old Dave Morey-era shows. Anyone here have HD2 in the car?
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Got to hear 1980 again this morning (fave set of the week for me) followed by the '75 excursion I missed yesterday. Nice.
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I was also thinking that, besides the obvious commercial radio constraints, the other factor in 10@10 stagnation is lack of DJ time. It doesn't seem possible to produce new clips and play a high rate of debut songs during the DJ's regular work hours. To find those new clips and fish out the new songs, a DJ has to use her own personal time, something Renee, for example, never did, and it showed. It seems like one could create an entire show while also performing one's other DJ duties by cutting and pasting 7-8 tried and true favorites from past set lists and recycling all the clips. AL began by devoting what seemed like several hours a day of her personal time to crafting original 10@10's, but doesn't seem to be doing that anymore, which, at this point in her tenure, is perfectly understandable.
It's obvious that AL isn't spending as much time on 10@10, and I can't fault her at all for that.
AL 1.0 seemed to have a lot of freedom to construct sets as she pleased, and no doubt it was
a lot of fun to assemble those sonic collages. But when someone else is standing over your
shoulder, dictating to a large extent what pieces to use in your collage, then the fun gets drained
out and it's just another job. I think a lot of us have been in that position with other things.
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I know this is an old gripe, but now that the marathon is back, I wish the order in which they run the shows wasn't so haphazard. It's like they throw 'em in the air and see where they land. Caught Thursday's excellent '76 set at 9am but then at 10 we got the '87 "encore" from Monday. You'd think reruns would get the early slots since they're, well, reruns. If they'd settle on airing them in Mon-Fri order every weekend, I'd set my alarm for a set I really wanted to hear again (this despite them being on Soundcloud). But this way I usually catch the 9:00 set and then go off to listen to something else.
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I know this is an old gripe, but now that the marathon is back, I wish the order in which they run the shows wasn't so haphazard. It's like they throw 'em in the air and see where they land. Caught Thursday's excellent '76 set at 9am but then at 10 we got the '87 "encore" from Monday. You'd think reruns would get the early slots since they're, well, reruns. If they'd settle on airing them in Mon-Fri order every weekend, I'd set my alarm for a set I really wanted to hear again (this despite them being on Soundcloud). But this way I usually catch the 9:00 set and then go off to listen to something else.
'Twas ever thus...
Once I kept a log of the order for a few weeks, but I could never discern any pattern. I think they
have an intern drop them on the floor, and however they get picked up is how they are played.
When I was recording Dave Morey's shows, I sometimes needed the third bite at the apple
provided by the Saturday marathon. I'd set my alarm for just before six, and start the tape as
the first show began, just in case it was the one I wanted. Chances are it wasn't, and I would
re-cue the tape, set the alarm for just before seven, and try to get a few more winks. The
process would repeat as necessary.
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I know this is an old gripe, but now that the marathon is back, I wish the order in which they run the shows wasn't so haphazard. It's like they throw 'em in the air and see where they land. Caught Thursday's excellent '76 set at 9am but then at 10 we got the '87 "encore" from Monday. You'd think reruns would get the early slots since they're, well, reruns. If they'd settle on airing them in Mon-Fri order every weekend, I'd set my alarm for a set I really wanted to hear again (this despite them being on Soundcloud). But this way I usually catch the 9:00 set and then go off to listen to something else.
I agree with this. I usually don’t get up until 11 or 12 on the weekends, but I’d make it a point to get up earlier if I knew when a 10@10 I wanted to hear was going to be. But if the order is random then I’m not going to bother. Although my gripe is somewhat lessened by 10@10s being available online now.
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I know this is an old gripe, but now that the marathon is back, I wish the order in which they run the shows wasn't so haphazard. It's like they throw 'em in the air and see where they land. Caught Thursday's excellent '76 set at 9am but then at 10 we got the '87 "encore" from Monday. You'd think reruns would get the early slots since they're, well, reruns. If they'd settle on airing them in Mon-Fri order every weekend, I'd set my alarm for a set I really wanted to hear again (this despite them being on Soundcloud). But this way I usually catch the 9:00 set and then go off to listen to something else.
I agree with this. I usually don’t get up until 11 or 12 on the weekends, but I’d make it a point to get up earlier if I knew when a 10@10 I wanted to hear was going to be. But if the order is random then I’m not going to bother. Although my gripe is somewhat lessened by 10@10s being available online now.
Presumably the order is known in advance, as which commercials and other songs will be used
as filler must be determined. Or is that done by a human bean on the fly? In the latter case
the choice of set might be made "at random" on Saturday morning.
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When I was recording Dave Morey's shows, I sometimes needed the third bite at the apple
provided by the Saturday marathon. I'd set my alarm for just before six, and start the tape as
the first show began, just in case it was the one I wanted. Chances are it wasn't, and I would
re-cue the tape, set the alarm for just before seven, and try to get a few more winks. The
process would repeat as necessary.
Hah! I used to do something very similar, except I'd use my home DAT machine, which would allow me to record up to 4 hours at a time. So I'd get up at 5:55 (or later on, 6:55), fire up the DAT machine and start it recording and then stumble back to bed for a few more hours. Once I got up around 9 or 10, I'd let the rest of the marathon finish recording, then go back at my leisure and transfer the sets I wanted to CD. A little more work in the long run, but the return to bed to finish my night's sleep was worth it.
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Well, if we really hear Candi Staton's "He Called Me Baby" that'll be a plus. Also, it's a thread, tho' she does not specifically solicit requests. I'm waiting for someone else to make one before I jump in.
Although I must admit I would love AL to do a '61 set, but the songs would be so short! ;)
Indeed. There's a lot of superlative pop music from the early '60s -- the entire decade is markedly
above par -- but without double plays or some similar artifice, the sets would be woefully brief. Dave
would pad his mid-sixties sets in part with long news montages or an extended clip from a television
show. I suspect the sourcing of clip material has changed, which might be why we have more short
snippets these days.
Lots of good musical trends gained popularity in the early sixties -- the British Invasion, the beginnings
of world music, folk music, surf music, and girl groups all come readily to mind. Plenty of potential by
either year or theme.
ETA: My initial reaction to AL's post was "Is she doing a set full of covers of 'He/She Called Me Baby'?" That would be an interesting theme set...
I think that ten covers of Louie Louie or Willie and the Hand Jive would be an amusing
April Fool's Day set, particularly if the joke wasn't telegraphed.
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The last three sets of this morning's marathon were 1971, 1993, and 1986, suggesting
that the week's shows were replayed in order. Might be happenstance, might be the
new normal...
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The last three sets of this morning's marathon were 1971, 1993, and 1986, suggesting
that the week's shows were replayed in order. Might be happenstance, might be the
new normal...
happened last week too I think... a good idea to just stick with that rather than juggling the order every weekend.
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Still up after watching the eclipse... the shows are being aired in order, however
they are starting several minutes before the hour.
ETA: US3's Cantaloop (first time I've heard this outside of 10@10) into Wednesday's
Fool's set, starting just a minute early.
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yeah, nothing really new here. I guess you can't spring a NTM nugget into every 10at10 set.
I must disagree with this most strenously; this is my major gripe with 10@10 these days.
The answer turns on how many good "NTM" and/or bust-outs you think exist for a given year.
How many do you think there are for 1973? 20? 50? 100? I would consider 1973 a fairly
strong year, certainly above average. Let's say there are 100. (I think the number could be
much higher.) I checked a few years and discovered that 1973 was visited between six and
eight times each year, so let's go with an average of seven times a year. So, if there are 100
good NTMs/bust-outs in 1973, and if 1973 is visited seven times a year, and if on each visit we
play three completely new tracks, then we will exhaust our supply of new material in five years.
I could go on, but my argument in essence is that there is so much new material that is
untapped, even for weak years, that ignoring it is intentional negligence. I find it particularly
glaring when we get the same old same old in the late '60s sets.
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yeah, nothing really new here. I guess you can't spring a NTM nugget into every 10at10 set.
I must disagree with this most strenously; this is my major gripe with 10@10 these days.
I actually agree with you (my sarcasm was too subtle). The sets could always use more NTM material. It's not that hard to do as you point out -- the material is out there -- but maybe the deejay can't do that per corporate rules...? Or something? I listen to KFOG only for 10at10, but it would be nice to be exposed to something new and different every once in a while. This is why I listen to KPOO, KUSF-in-Exile, KALX, etc., regularly.
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FYI the past two weeks the Saturday morning marathon has not re-broadcast the shows
in order.
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Anyone know why SoundCloud's last KFOG 10@10 is from April 24, 2015?
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Anyone know why SoundCloud's last KFOG 10@10 is from April 24, 2015?
They now use Mixcloud for archived shows and embed them on the 10at10 page >
http://www.kfog.com/page.php?page_id=211
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Thank you so much, I am now informed!
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Just stumbled over this bit of trivia... Loggins & Messina's Angry Eyes has appeared
four times -- and won BOS every time.
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Aside to whoever decided to go straight into a current song out of 10@10: if you don't want people to tune away, make sure that song isn't "Riptide."
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I noticed KFOG's using rdio instead of Mixcloud (or SoundCloud) now...
Okay, so I bit, because I wanted Monday's set...
Apparently the 10@10 shows are no longer available to be streamed. No intro, no backsell,
no sounders, no clips. I had no problem using a bogus e-mail address to start, but it led to
a rdio playlist of just the songs. And while Monday's set used the live version of Jefferson
Airplane's Volunteers from the Woodstock soundtrack (including Grace's "morning maniac
music" line), the one on the playlist was from the studio album.
Bah.
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I noticed KFOG's using rdio instead of Mixcloud (or SoundCloud) now...
Okay, so I bit, because I wanted Monday's set...
Apparently the 10@10 shows are no longer available to be streamed. No intro, no backsell,
no sounders, no clips. I had no problem using a bogus e-mail address to start, but it led to
a rdio playlist of just the songs. And while Monday's set used the live version of Jefferson
Airplane's Volunteers from the Woodstock soundtrack (including Grace's "morning maniac
music" line), the one on the playlist was from the studio album.
Bah.
Actually, that's the one set from this week that has been uploaded to Mixcloud:
https://www.mixcloud.com/KFOGRadio/08-03-2015-1010-kfog-local-music-month-of-mondays-vol-1/
Enjoy!
ETA: If you want to download said set (it's in .m4a format, IIRC), you can use:
http://www.download-mixcloud.com/
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So I may be slow but just to be clear, the 10@10 shows are no longer being stored on Mixcloud? But they are streamed live on the KFOG website? Any recommendations for my ability to record and listen later would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
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So I may be slow but just to be clear, the 10@10 shows are no longer being stored on Mixcloud? But they are streamed live on the KFOG website? Any recommendations for my ability to record and listen later would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
I think what's being streamed from the KFOG site are Rdio playlists consisting of the 10 songs from that day's set, but there's none of the other content that goes with it -- no clips, no intro, no backsell. And nothing new has been posted since last Friday.
Nothing new has been posted to Mixcloud since the first Local Artists set on Aug 3.
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I suspect we really are getting all-'90s this week, so that the Saturday marathon matches the rest of the "Nuthin' But Nineties" weekend. If so, it'll be the first all-one-decade week since Dave was forced to go all-'80s on that fateful month 15 years ago.
Will Rosalie have to do an all-'90s Acoustic Sunrise?
ETA: Renee said we're getting another '90s year today. I have a sneaking suspicion that next week, we'll discover that '70s sets are gone forever. It'll be 2 '90s, 2 '80s and an '00s set each week and '04 and '05 will make their debuts in short order. Just my random prediction.
I can always count on you to look on the bright side of things! ;D
I don't think that '70s sets will be eliminated, but they will continue with only occasional appearances, just as '60s
sets did. For some perspective, older readers should consider what they would think if they were listening to a radio
station during the '70s that played lots of depression-era music from the 1930s. The one big difference being that
"rock & roll" in its present form (depending on where you put your yardstick) has been dominant form of popular music
for fifty to sixty years.
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I know there are reasons and all, but KFOG really needs to come up with a contingency plan for when AL is out for extended periods of time.
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I suspect we really are getting all-'90s this week, so that the Saturday marathon matches the rest of the "Nuthin' But Nineties" weekend. If so, it'll be the first all-one-decade week since Dave was forced to go all-'80s on that fateful month 15 years ago.
Will Rosalie have to do an all-'90s Acoustic Sunrise?
ETA: Renee said we're getting another '90s year today. I have a sneaking suspicion that next week, we'll discover that '70s sets are gone forever. It'll be 2 '90s, 2 '80s and an '00s set each week and '04 and '05 will make their debuts in short order. Just my random prediction.
I can always count on you to look on the bright side of things! ;D
I don't think that '70s sets will be eliminated, but they will continue with only occasional appearances, just as '60s
sets did. For some perspective, older readers should consider what they would think if they were listening to a radio
station during the '70s that played lots of depression-era music from the 1930s. The one big difference being that
"rock & roll" in its present form (depending on where you put your yardstick) has been dominant form of popular music
for fifty to sixty years.
FM Rock radio essentially started in '67
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I suspect we really are getting all-'90s this week, so that the Saturday marathon matches the rest of the "Nuthin' But Nineties" weekend. If so, it'll be the first all-one-decade week since Dave was forced to go all-'80s on that fateful month 15 years ago.
Will Rosalie have to do an all-'90s Acoustic Sunrise?
ETA: Renee said we're getting another '90s year today. I have a sneaking suspicion that next week, we'll discover that '70s sets are gone forever. It'll be 2 '90s, 2 '80s and an '00s set each week and '04 and '05 will make their debuts in short order. Just my random prediction.
I can always count on you to look on the bright side of things! ;D
I don't think that '70s sets will be eliminated, but they will continue with only occasional appearances, just as '60s
sets did. For some perspective, older readers should consider what they would think if they were listening to a radio
station during the '70s that played lots of depression-era music from the 1930s. The one big difference being that
"rock & roll" in its present form (depending on where you put your yardstick) has been dominant form of popular music
for fifty to sixty years.
FM Rock radio essentially started in '67
I'm happy to say dischead's optimism has been rewarded, as we began this week with a swell '76 rerun and ended with '68. In-between: '85, '01 and '80 -- not a '90s set to be heard. Whether this was an aberration or the beginning of more variety remains to be seen. Hard to tell who or what the KFOG audience is these days -- when I listen to the younger end of the demo playing Mind the Gap and hear how clueless they are about fairly obvious stuff (nobody's asking them to name a Chocolate Watchband LP; but not recognizing Bowie's voice on "Heroes"? That seems sad to me -- what was playing in the homes they grew up in?).
Interestingly, today was National One Hit Wonder Day -- woulda been an excuse for AL to do one of those theme sets that cover 4 or 5 decades, but she went with '68. Time will tell...
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Happened to get up around 6:50 to take a leak and flipped on the bathroom radio -- they were 4 songs into 1976, which means it was either the first set (and started really late) or the second (and started really early).
later, they did the "mystery" 1980 set at 9am and (unsurprisingly) 2001 at 10.
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Fully expected '90s today and we got '87 -- close, yeah, but no cigar. It has been 12 days since we had a '90s set (tho' there was a 2001 in the mix). Is it possible that the "nuthin' but nineties" weekend and surrounding emphasis on that decade engendered some audience push-back? or worse, that the ratings weren't as stellar as hoped? Funny that they crave a younger demo but need a certain amount of older folks to pad the overall numbers. Plus: without "geezers" there's no Mind the Gap.
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Fully expected '90s today and we got '87 -- close, yeah, but no cigar. It has been 12 days since we had a '90s set (tho' there was a 2001 in the mix). Is it possible that the "nuthin' but nineties" weekend and surrounding emphasis on that decade engendered some audience push-back? or worse, that the ratings weren't as stellar as hoped? Funny that they crave a younger demo but need a certain amount of older folks to pad the overall numbers. Plus: without "geezers" there's no Mind the Gap.
Not sure if this still holds true, but when they were still posting the sets on soundcloud for on-demand replay, you could see the number of plays for each set. And the older the set, the more spins it would get, or so it seemed. If that extrapolates to actual listener demographic, we may be closer to being "typical" fogheads than they would care to admit.
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Why is it that the best set of the week, if not the month (1970), is the one that gets
played at 6 a.m. during the Saturday morning marathon? Sigh.
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Why is it that the best set of the week, if not the month (1970), is the one that gets
played at 6 a.m. during the Saturday morning marathon? Sigh.
This seems to be the rule for the '70s set of the week. I understand it -- less listeners at that hour -- but it's still annoying.
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I can't be the only one who's this irritated about the frequency of classics, right?
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I can't be the only one who's this irritated about the frequency of classics, right?
My assumption is that it has to do with some sort of personal matters going on in Annalisa's life, so while the "classics" aren't ideal, it's hard to be irritated about that. It can't be helped.
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I can't be the only one who's this irritated about the frequency of classics, right?
My assumption is that it has to do with some sort of personal matters going on in Annalisa's life, so while the "classics" aren't ideal, it's hard to be irritated about that. It can't be helped.
It appears this is actual paid vacay and that she's relaxing somewhere -- most of the time off last year when her mom was sick was unpaid leave. But we're 10 days into this particular streak of reruns so I hope she's back before the week ends.
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I can't be the only one who's this irritated about the frequency of classics, right?
My assumption is that it has to do with some sort of personal matters going on in Annalisa's life, so while the "classics" aren't ideal, it's hard to be irritated about that. It can't be helped.
Yeah... although the idealist in me would like to see Dred pinch hit for her when she's out. Not gonna happen I realize. But I do think KFOG suffers when the reruns appear often - of course, given their audience, maybe they don't...
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I can't be the only one who's this irritated about the frequency of classics, right?
My assumption is that it has to do with some sort of personal matters going on in Annalisa's life, so while the "classics" aren't ideal, it's hard to be irritated about that. It can't be helped.
It appears this is actual paid vacay and that she's relaxing somewhere -- most of the time off last year when her mom was sick was unpaid leave. But we're 10 days into this particular streak of reruns so I hope she's back before the week ends.
I think we're in general agreement that we want AL to get her vacation and time off as needed. I just wish there was a better way to deal with it than running repeats.
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the idealist in me would like to see Dred pinch hit for her when she's out. Not gonna happen I realize. But I do think KFOG suffers when the reruns appear often - of course, given their audience, maybe they don't...
Based on the comments posted on her FB page, a lot of folks have no idea she's away or that it's a rerun. I recall there were people who didn't know Morey had retired during that 6-month stretch of DM "classics" either.
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the idealist in me would like to see Dred pinch hit for her when she's out. Not gonna happen I realize. But I do think KFOG suffers when the reruns appear often - of course, given their audience, maybe they don't...
Based on the comments posted on her FB page, a lot of folks have no idea she's away or that it's a rerun. I recall there were people who didn't know Morey had retired during that 6-month stretch of DM "classics" either.
Including some who we'd *think* should know better!
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although the idealist in me would like to see Dred pinch hit for her when she's out.
Or Sam Rockwell, man! He's done it before.
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It used to be possible to stream old 10@10 shows from KFOG.com. I went looking for yesterday's Year of the Monkey set, but can't find any of them on the website now. Did I miss something? :'( :'( :'(
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It used to be possible to stream old 10@10 shows from KFOG.com. I went looking for yesterday's Year of the Monkey set, but can't find any of them on the website now. Did I miss something? :'( :'( :'(
Yeah, that feature went away some months ago. Something about licensing and song rights. For a while, they were making the songs (but not the clips) available on Rdio.com (which was part-owned by Cumulus) but now Rdio is dead so there's nuthin'.
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It used to be possible to stream old 10@10 shows from KFOG.com. I went looking for yesterday's Year of the Monkey set, but can't find any of them on the website now. Did I miss something? :'( :'( :'(
Yeah, that feature went away some months ago. Something about licensing and song rights. For a while, they were making the songs (but not the clips) available on Rdio.com (which was part-owned by Cumulus) but now Rdio is dead so there's nuthin'.
Yeah, that kinda sucks. The posting of sets on their site started when the Saturday AM Marathon went away during the DC era, and actually was a pretty nice alternative, as it gave us the opportunity to go revisit sets at our convenience, or catch the ones we missed. I think the marathon is back, but now I really miss having them available at my convenience via Soundcloud.
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It used to be possible to stream old 10@10 shows from KFOG.com. I went looking for yesterday's Year of the Monkey set, but can't find any of them on the website now. Did I miss something? :'( :'( :'(
Yeah, that feature went away some months ago. Something about licensing and song rights. For a while, they were making the songs (but not the clips) available on Rdio.com (which was part-owned by Cumulus) but now Rdio is dead so there's nuthin'.
Yeah, that kinda sucks. The posting of sets on their site started when the Saturday AM Marathon went away during the DC era, and actually was a pretty nice alternative, as it gave us the opportunity to go revisit sets at our convenience, or catch the ones we missed. I think the marathon is back, but now I really miss having them available at my convenience via Soundcloud.
If they do decide to start posting 10@10 recordings again, they may need to find a new service to host them. Things are looking tough for Soundcloud.
http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/11/soundcloud-financial-report-44m-losses/