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Main Discussion Area => In Memoriam, Happy Birthday => Topic started by: mshray on June 25, 2009, 02:57:44 PM
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Heart attack, just heard the news.
"Pop star Michael Jackson has been rushed to a Los Angeles-area hospital by fire department paramedics who found him not breathing when they arrived at the singer's home, the Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday.
The newspaper said paramedics performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation at the scene before taking him to the UCLA Medical Center hospital."
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Heart Attack, just heard the news.
well, I *was* gonna hold off...
http://www.tmz.com/?tsp=1
So far I haven't seen confirmation from anyone better than TMZ. Call me old-fashioned...
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This is freaky: I was at the gym, running to the J5's "One More Chance," when a friend texted me this news. CNN.com isn't calling him dead yet, fwiw.
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A friend just posted this on Facebook:
"Los Angeles elementary schools will be closed tomorrow so that Michael Jackson's ex boyfriends can mourn."
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AP now confirming, per SFGate:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/25/state/n153309D25.DTL&tsp=1
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wow, this is sad. After the initial "whoa, what a freak!" phase I felt about him and his weird proclivities, I began to see him as a sorry figure.
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A friend just posted this on Facebook:
"Los Angeles elementary schools will be closed tomorrow so that Michael Jackson's ex boyfriends can mourn."
heh heh :D
Was reading it earlier on BBC online. Tragic life.
McMahon, Fawcett, Jackson.
Anyone else?
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Intro to the early 70's Jackson Five cartoon show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbC8Jx2WLpk&feature=related
1973 Jackson Five commercial for Alpha Bits cereal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLf1CLcoiU&feature=related
The J5 perform 'Dancing Machine' on the Carol Burnett Show, 1974:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8d3abOsHr4&feature=related
J5 perform a medley on the Carol Burnett Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXtM7jVxb4A
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
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A friend just posted this on Facebook:
"Los Angeles elementary schools will be closed tomorrow so that Michael Jackson's ex boyfriends can mourn."
heh heh :D
Was reading it earlier on BBC online. Tragic life.
McMahon, Fawcett, Jackson.
Anyone else?
Well, Sky Saxon. So does that mean there's two more to go?
Weird. Just weird. I escaped the news until about 7pm tonight when we went into a local restaurant to get dinner after working a farmers' market all afternoon. They had Faux News on (that's my new hometown for ya) and that's where I saw the headlines.
Hope he finally finds some peace in the afterlife. I imagine his soul was pretty tortured in this one.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
At 4pm both alternative stations, Live 105 & Channel 104.9, were playing MJ tunes ("Smooth Criminal" & "Beat It" respectively).
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
She was planning a Pride set as of about 4 minutes before I heard the news about MJ. See my post in the Executive thread.
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98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great. I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
"Wanna Be Starting Something" "The Love You Save" "Ben" "Man in the Mirror"
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
She was planning a Pride set as of about 4 minutes before I heard the news about MJ. See my post in the Executive thread.
Uh, what post? As of a minute or two ago, the last post there was from almost a week ago.
ETA: OK, *now* it's there. Looks like we were leapfrogging one another between boards.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
She was planning a Pride set as of about 4 minutes before I heard the news about MJ. See my post in the Executive thread.
Uh, what post? As of a minute or two ago, the last post there was from almost a week ago.
try now.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
MTV at 3:30PM on their east coast feed (so it played at 6:30PM PT) canceled their regular programming and played all of Michael Jackson's videos.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
"In the Closet," ba-dum-tish.
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
You forgot 98.1 KISS
tonights "between the sheets" show is taking MJ requests and playing em all.
98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great.
I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
"In the Closet," ba-dum-tish.
LOL! Thanks, Gaz.
Alicat, somehow MJ + "Between the sheets" seems wrong on a number of levels.
Fave message-board post so far:
He was born black and he died white.
That, my friends, is the American Dream.
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From the "How does this affect MEEE?" department: TIME is crashing a Michael Jackson cover, trying to get it to production tomorrow evening. The good news is that I don't have to start work today until 3pm instead of noon. The bad news is that I have to stay on till 3am. And I was supposed to be at Central Park tomorrow morning at 8 to register for a 5-mile run. Hrmm.
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From the "How does this affect MEEE?" department: TIME is crashing a Michael Jackson cover, trying to get it to production tomorrow evening. The good news is that I don't have to start work today until 3pm instead of noon. The bad news is that I have to stay on till 3am. And I was supposed to be at Central Park tomorrow morning at 8 to register for a 5-mile run. Hrmm.
you should show up for work wearing a surgical mask...
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Just did a scan of the radio dial: KPOO (of course) was in full-on all-Michael mode, and Movin' 99.7, KBLX and KMEL were all doing tributes.
At 4pm both altenative stations, Live 105 & Channel 104.9, were playing MJ tunes ("Smooth Criminal" & "Beat It" respectively).
Of course, Live 105's current target demo only knows "Smooth Criminal" from the AAF cover... ;)
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98.1 KISS is playing "Human Nature," one of the best cuts from Thriller. I also like the perennial wedding fave "Wanna Be Startin' something" -- ah hell, that whole album is great. I'll be surprised and amazed (and disappointed) if AL does not include some MJ in tomorrow's 10at10 set. I'll melt, like hot candle wax.
OK, but if she was planning a Pride set for tomorrow, what song from his catalog would fit in?
"Wanna Be Starting Something" "The Love You Save" "Ben" "Man in the Mirror"
I can see Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' there -- perhaps as a call for more rights, say?
eta: actually I meant to say I can see Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough in re: gay rights.
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Now we know I'm no fan of TMZ, but they *did* beat the MSM by nearly an hour yesterday. They report:
"a close member of Michael Jackson's family" that Jackson "received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine -- Demerol -- and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 am" and that "family members are saying the dosage was 'too much' and that's what caused his death."
TMZ is also reporting that "law enforcement [reps are] looking for a doctor who may have given Jackson an injection before he died. [The doctor] lived at Michael Jackson's home [but] is nowhere to be found. Law enforcement sources tell us a BMW belonging to the doctor was towed from Jackson's home last night."
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Now we know I'm no fan of TMZ, but they *did* beat the MSM by nearly an hour yesterday. They report:
"a close member of Michael Jackson's family" that Jackson "received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine -- Demerol -- and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 am" and that "family members are saying the dosage was 'too much' and that's what caused his death."
TMZ is also reporting that "law enforcement [reps are] looking for a doctor who may have given Jackson an injection before he died. [The doctor] lived at Michael Jackson's home [but] is nowhere to be found. Law enforcement sources tell us a BMW belonging to the doctor was towed from Jackson's home last night."
I think TMZ just floods the scene w "reporters" who try to get the story any way they can. Maybe they even pay out cash when it'll get ppl to talk? (not sure what TMZ means, maybe "The Money Zone?") They were prob on the scene at the hospital yesterday and heard the rumor that he died and they called it into their site. Fact Checks? Source standards? pfft! no need!
I'm sure MSN has higher standards and will get verification before running the story. We linked to TMZ's early "MJ's dead" story yesterday, but we usually go by AP's story before we can say something w certainty.
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Mean (but undeniably funny) MJ joke of the moment:
"CNN reports that Michael Jackson died from eating 3-year-old weiners and 9-year-old nuts"
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
and the Onion weighs in:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/king_of_pop_dead_at_12
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LAWD! JJ on KPOO is in all-MJ-all-the-time mode this afternoon. Blame it on the Boogie!
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OMG I haven't heard "Lady in My Life" in ages.
OTOH... coulda done without The Doggone Girl is Mine. But if Macca gets back the rights to the Beatle catalog in MJ's will, all is forgiven.
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Wow! "Black & White"! His last truly great single, IMHO (thanks in part to Slash). It's a like a '70s Stones 45 with MJ in place of Mick. Fabulous.
followed by "Lovely One" -- damn, I don't wanna go home, I'll miss something good.
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Got me workin' workin' day and nite!
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I wasn't crazy about "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" at the time, but today it sounds pretty great compared to most of the crappy ballad hits of the last decade.
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...But if Macca gets back the rights to the Beatle catalog in MJ's will, all is forgiven.
LOL! I hadn't thought about that. That must now be considered part of his estate, eh?
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I wonder if KFOG has been playing any MJ. I thought they were criminally slow to play some of his biggest hits.
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I wonder if KFOG has been playing any MJ. I thought they were criminally slow to play some of his biggest hits.
But why would they play them at all? they were a Classic Rock/Triple-A station (mostly); he's not in their wheelhouse. At the height of Thriller-mania, some rock stations played "Beat It' because of the Van Halen connection, but generally he was a Top 40/MTV phenomeneon in the '80s.
Even Dave, on 10@10, has only ever played a couple of tracks from Thriller ("Billie Jean" mostly, and the title track on Halloween) and never bothered with Bad.
They played "Don't Stop Till You Get Enuf" during the Morning Show today, but their coverage was restrained. Which was kind of a relief after the wall-to-wall-MJ on TV Thurs nite.
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Very interesting: we were just recently joking (before his death) about the fact that MJ's kids look in no way bi-racial. A woman lawyer who is very well-acquainted with the whole affair was just on MSNBC; she says (and I did not know this) that the kids were fathered by a sperm donor -- not MJ, but hand-picked by him. (so... MJ specifically wanted very white kids? Hrm.) Anyway, that guy could now come forward and demand custody (DNA would prove his story) and the mother of the 2 oldest kids has signed away her interest in them TWICE.
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I wonder if KFOG has been playing any MJ. I thought they were criminally slow to play some of his biggest hits.
But why would they play them at all? they were a Classic Rock/Triple-A station (mostly); he's not in their wheelhouse. At the height of Thriller-mania, some rock stations played "Beat It' because of the Van Halen connection, but generally he was a Top 40/MTV phenomeneon in the '80s.
Even Dave, on 10@10, has only ever played a couple of tracks from Thriller ("Billie Jean" mostly, and the title track on Halloween) and never bothered with Bad.
They played "Don't Stop Till You Get Enuf" during the Morning Show today, but their coverage was restrained. Which was kind of a relief after the wall-to-wall-MJ on TV Thurs nite.
I guess I felt like his hits at the time were universal, and that Fogheads would've dug hearing them. I also think they didn't play Tina Turner's "What's Love Got To Do With It?" for a long time. Just my two bits.
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nice free player at his official site:
http://myplay.com/audio_player/michael_jackson/195/288993/288994?allowBrowsing=1
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...But if Macca gets back the rights to the Beatle catalog in MJ's will, all is forgiven.
LOL! I hadn't thought about that. That must now be considered part of his estate, eh?
The rumor is that he willed the rights back to Mac. Of course, it may turn out that creditors have to get paid first.
Guys, I was immersed in 12 hours of Jacko today. Several hours of stories and photogalleries at TIME.com, followed by copyediting hastily written stories and captions. We have to get this thing to production by 5pm for them to start printing at 6 and get it on newsstands Monday. The upshot is that I've impressed a lot of TIME's top editors with my music knowledge and attention to detail. Tomorrow afternoon when we finish this thing, I might even get to write a caption or two.
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...But if Macca gets back the rights to the Beatle catalog in MJ's will, all is forgiven.
LOL! I hadn't thought about that. That must now be considered part of his estate, eh?
The rumor is that he willed the rights back to Mac. Of course, it may turn out that creditors have to get paid first.
Guys, I was immersed in 12 hours of Jacko today. Several hours of stories and photogalleries at TIME.com, followed by copyediting hastily written stories and captions. We have to get this thing to production by 5pm for them to start printing at 6 and get it on newsstands Monday. The upshot is that I've impressed a lot of TIME's top editors with my music knowledge and attention to detail. Tomorrow afternoon when we finish this thing, I might even get to write a caption or two.
that's cool! if they're smart, they will use your talents as often as possible. would love to see your byline in TIME.
KPOO's "Ghetto Gumbo" shwo last night was playing lots of MJ, J5 and Jacksons. some vinyl, things that are outside the usual bunch of songs. Would have listened more, but I was getting tired. Turned of my clock radio after he played "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" back to back. yes, I was dancing in bed.
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...But if Macca gets back the rights to the Beatle catalog in MJ's will, all is forgiven.
LOL! I hadn't thought about that. That must now be considered part of his estate, eh?
The rumor is that he willed the rights back to Mac. Of course, it may turn out that creditors have to get paid first.
Guys, I was immersed in 12 hours of Jacko today. Several hours of stories and photogalleries at TIME.com, followed by copyediting hastily written stories and captions. We have to get this thing to production by 5pm for them to start printing at 6 and get it on newsstands Monday. The upshot is that I've impressed a lot of TIME's top editors with my music knowledge and attention to detail. Tomorrow afternoon when we finish this thing, I might even get to write a caption or two.
Dude, that is so cool. Dan Rathers got his big break because he was johnny on the spot when JFK died, that seems to be how a lot of these things happen. Try not to let your natural humility & politeness prevent you from building on this momentum. Strike while the iron is hot. Okay I'm running into cliches here, but you know what I mean. Might I suggest polishing up your George Weber blogpost and asking some of these newly impressed editors to take a look?
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Our reliably contrarian friend Mick LaSalle weighs in:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/mlasalle/detail?blogid=38&entry_id=42639
Oddly, I find myself agreeing with him, up to a point (especially about MJ's "King of Pop" monicker, which I always found ridiculous). More later when I get my thoughts together.
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MJ may be buried at Neverland. Elvis deja vu.
(how 'bout Gary, Indiana, to help revive economy of that town?):
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/michael-jackson-may-be-buried-at-neverland-1003988547.story
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Our reliably contrarian friend Mick LaSalle weighs in:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/mlasalle/detail?blogid=38&entry_id=42639
Oddly, I find myself agreeing with him, up to a point (especially about MJ's "King of Pop" monicker, which I always found ridiculous). More later when I get my thoughts together.
I also agree about the KoP nickname, though didn't know MJ invented it himself. Wouldn't surprise me: he floated some weird stories about himself just to sty in the headlines, like the rumor he purchased the Elephant Man bones.
I do disagree about skipping "Human Nature" when it comes into rotation (actually, I don't listen to entire albums these days in the prescribed order). I never skip that one. In fact, I seek it out. love it.
eta: this person's comment is fantastic
bittermelon
6/28/2009 4:14:32 AM
People going back and forth about Michael Jackson's musical relevancy are missing the point. It's really his social relevancy that we should be celebrating. If the Beatles and the Stones are Lou Gehrig and Joe DiMaggio, then Michael Jackson is Jackie Robinson. I could remember the 70's when albums in record stores were strictly segregated along color lines. White music was Pop and Rock, and Black music was R&B and Soul. In the Northern California, regular broadcast of Black artists reached only as far as the radio waves of KDIA, KSFX and KSOL. Outside of urban areas, disco, which was largely driven by Black artists, was neutered to become just Barry Manilow, Leo Sayer, and Olivia Newton John. Michael Jackson broke through those barriers. Starting with the white-friendly Jackson 5 hits and culminating with the MTV barrier-busting Billie Jean video, Michael Jackson defined a new genre of pop/dance entertainment. In fact, Jackson dragged MTV out of rock concert video obscurity and transformed it into the pop-defining juggernaut it is today. After "Thriller", the record stores couldn't just stick him in the R&B section anymore. They had to create a new pop section where he was soon joined by crossover artists Madonna, Prince, Janet Jackson and eventually Justin Timberlake today. Whether you love Michael Jackson or hate him and his music, you can't deny his influence on our culture. Anybody who remembers seeing him the Motown Special cannot deny that for a short time he was as big as the Beatles and the Stones - and saying that he's irrelevant today is like saying Jackie Robinson is irrelevant because he hasn't played since 1956.
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Our reliably contrarian friend Mick LaSalle weighs in:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/mlasalle/detail?blogid=38&entry_id=42639
Oddly, I find myself agreeing with him, up to a point (especially about MJ's "King of Pop" monicker, which I always found ridiculous). More later when I get my thoughts together.
I also agree about the KoP nickname, though didn't know MJ invented it himself. Wouldn't surprise me: he floated some weird stories about himself just to sty in the headlines, like the rumor he purchased the Elephant Man bones.
I do disagree about skipping "Human Nature" when it comes into rotation (actually, I don't listen to entire albums these days in the prescribed order). I never skip that one. In fact, I seek it out. love it.
eta: this person's comment is fantastic...
Agreed on "bittermelon"s comment -- the Mick-is-an-idiot crowd are loud and proud whenever he pontificates about music, thank gawd -- tho' the operative phrase in that paragraph is "for a short time".
I'm pretty Michael'd-out at this point. Last nite, JJ on KPOO was all-MJ. The first 2 hours concentrated on the '70s; got to hear lots of J-5 stuff including some deep LP cuts -- covers of things like Smokey's "Darling Dear", Sly's "Stand" (a NTM surprise), and even "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" (which is hilarious is you know what movie it's from). The early J-5 output includes some of the best pop singles ever made, and even their lesser 45s are superbly produced -- personal faves like "Looking Thru the Windows", "Corner of the Sky" and the forgotten "Hallelujah Day" (a celebration of the end of US involvement in Vietnam!) have a place in my heart despite their mediocre chart performance.
While I was listening to JJ, I had VH-1 on mute. They were doing nonstop Michael too, but of course they were limited to available vidclips, which meant that, aside from "ABC" on American Bandstand, it was mostly "Billie Jean"-to-now. And here's the thing: the videos from the Bad LP onward are godawful -- some of the worst, most wildly overconceived, ridiculous "mini-movie" monstrosities ever committed to celluloid. Truly everything wrong with the '80s MTV culture was encapsulated in these vids -- there are good songs on Bad, but MJ would not have had five #1 singles from it if not for the MTV machine. It was mind-numbing to see these things pass one-after-the-other, with the unspoken implication that they were all wonderful because, well, they had MJ in them. Which in a way is what LaSalle was getting at: You can make the most brilliant LP ever, and that assures you your place in history; but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that *everything* you've done since is genius.
The KPOO deejay who was on before JJ was also doing an MJ trib; he somehow had gotten hold of a couple of advance tracks from the MJ LP coming later this year. They were drippy, generic ballads, which pretty much defines most of his '90s and '00s output, sadly.
In closing: FOX just opened tonite's Simpsons ep with the old "Do the Bartman" clip (first time it's been seen in years), which ends with Bart saying "eat your heart out, Michael!" Then they showed a slide that said "In memory of Michael Jackson".
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personal faves like "Looking Thru the Windows", "Corner of the Sky" and the forgotten "Hallelujah Day" (a celebration of the end of US involvement in Vietnam!) have a place in my heart despite their mediocre chart performance.
Agreed with everything you wrote but especially with this excerpt. I've only recently gotten to know this period of J5 work, and I like it a lot, especially the joy of "Hallelujah Day." Useless trivia: as evidenced by our new commemorative that allegedly is on stands already, Lenny Kravitz was/is quite partial to "Lookin' Through the Windows."
Worth noting that the MTV and megahit culture that gave us Bad also gave us other 5+ hit albums, from Rhythm Nation to Whitney Houston's first two albums.
Oh, and "Human Nature" is almost surely in my MJ Top 5. I'll compile a Top 10 at some point. Now I need SLEEP.......
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I mentioned to an acquaintance yesterday about Macca getting the rights back for the Beatles catalog, and he said that during the suspicious 2 hr gap in the timeline "you know that's when that deal went down."
Conspiracy theory anyone?
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I mentioned to an acquaintance yesterday about Macca getting the rights back for the Beatles catalog, and he said that during the suspicious 2 hr gap in the timeline "you know that's when that deal went down."
Conspiracy theory anyone?
I think Macca should get the kids, too. Better they should be raised as vegans than Jehovah's Witnesses!
On Thursday, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were each on TV within a half-hour of each other; both were passing themselves off as "friend and spritual advisor to the Jackson family". And it occurred to be that if MJ hadn't grown up in a typical African-American family, having Jeebus shoved down his throat, he might've had a better chance of not being so fucked-up and self-hating where sexuality is concerned.
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I go away on vacation for a week and ...
RIP Farrah, Ed and Michael. We only knew about Mike, as it was the only one big enough to make it onto ESPN. With 5 guys on a fishing trip, sports is about the only thing we can all agree to watch. Hell, we even watched soccer.
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Aidin Vaziri's take:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/29/DD0K18FA20.DTL&type=music
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KPOO deejay tonight doing a little MJ tribute in the middle of his oldies (doo-wop-ish) set. First he played "Who's Lovin' You", the B-Side of "I Want You Back," which he then played.
Check out the J5 on Ed Sullivan doing Who's Lovin' You" -- wow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ane6VJGlIMs
(http://www.snowbot.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jackson_five_iwyb.jpg)
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KPOO deejay tonight doing a little MJ tribute in the middle of his oldies (doo-wop-ish) set.
He also played some of their pre-Motown stuff (MJ musta been, like, 8!)
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KPOO deejay tonight doing a little MJ tribute in the middle of his oldies (doo-wop-ish) set.
He also played some of their pre-Motown stuff (MJ musta been, like, 8!)
oh yeah, heard some of that. They went under the name "Ripple and The Waves with Michael" I think it was. a few cuts from the Steeltown label. Some of that, (I recall one called "Jam") is apperently hard to find in release. The deejay suggested we cuye up the recorder and tape the cuts. (Tape recrorder? I have heard of such things in books...) The fidelity was fairly low on some of it, sounding like they put a mic up in the room as the boys played. but it was really fun.
I wonder how long this MJ fascination phase will go on for me.. I can't get enough of his music right now, esp the KPOO approach to his old suff (they're playing Sugar Daddy right now.) Not that I ever considered myself a huge MJ fan, but I'm still processing the whole thing an dlove hearing his music. I think I'll be very interested in the subsequent findings of his life, any tell-all books that might surface -- although I'm sure anyone close to MJ was well paid to "shut the hell up for ever". I don't think you can legally libel a dead person, but I wonder if anyone in his remaining estate, like the kids guardians (which might be grandma Katherine judging form the moves the Jackson family is taking to take control of MJ's estate), could sue to protect the reputation of a "business" like MJ, should anything untoward surface.
Neal Conan, who hosts Talk of the Nation on NPR, did a show on MJ yesterday, too. I don't have cable and despise TV news, so pretty much all my coverage of this is coming from prints sources (and their online arms) and the bits I heard from radio.
eta:
The fabulous "Who's Lovin' You" on KPOO --the track that prompted Berry Gordy to say "he may be only 11, but he's got an old soul".
Quincy Jones apparently told Bryan Monroe, journalist and former editorial director of Ebony and Jet magazines, that "there were only two people that stood out to him, and he met them both at eight years old. One was Stevie Wonder, the other was Michael Jackson." heard it on the NPR Talk of the nation show yesterday:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106054607
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
when they said he died "intestate" I though they meant he had no testicles. :)
TMZ is now reporting what I mentioned last week about him not being the biological father of the 2 oldest kids; they also say that Debbie was a surrogate so she's not their actual mother either!
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
when they said he died "intestate" I though they meant he had no testicles. :)
TMZ is now reporting what I mentioned last week about him not being the biological father of the 2 oldest kids; they also say that Debbie was a surrogate so she's not their actual mother either!
I imagine the lawyers are lining up on all sides.
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
that is amazing, yet I can believe it. Al this talk about him being a great businessman seems to hinge on his successful acquisition of ATV Music, but it's apparent from other reports that he spent cash like crazy, not only for things like the upkeep Neverland (I heard over $15 million per year, that's not counting mortgage) and -- probably, I'm guessing -- to pay off those pesky out of court settlements and attendant hush money. I heard once he reserved the top two floors of the Plaza in NYC, but his entourage was only five people at the time. He had bad advisors and he was paranoid and damaged. I bet he did make a will here and there, but my theory is when it was examined by his "people," they conspired to convince him to negate it b/c they weren't getting enough. Just my paranoid take.
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
Rumor I've heard is that he has *multiple* wills. I think in such a case the last one signed trumps the others.
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I've been hearing several sources speculating that MJ may have died without a valid will in force. If that's the case that really shocks me, because while people die intestate all the time, for someone with an estate of the size and complexity of MJ's to do so would be a *huge* dereliction of duty by his legal advisors. There is no excuse for someone of his wealth not to have some sort of valid will.
Rumor I've heard is that he has *multiple* wills. I think in such a case the last one signed trumps the others.
Yep, but you can bet some of the heirs who are named in previous versions but aren't so well remembered in the final one are going to try to invalidate it.
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"a will has been presented"...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/30/national/a134300D32.DTL&tsp=1
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Enjoy a well-done 9-min montage of Michael's career from 1969-88, from the 1988 film "Michael Jackson: Moonwalker" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4vnr6jhVg8
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"a will has been presented"...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/30/national/a134300D32.DTL&tsp=1
See Michael's Last Will (8 pages):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill1.html
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"a will has been presented"...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/30/national/a134300D32.DTL&tsp=1
See Michael's Last Will (8 pages):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill1.html
"In the case that Jackson's mother were to predecease him (or was unable or unwilling to serve as guardian), Jackson stipulated that singer Diana Ross should be appointed guardian of his minor children."
I don't even know which emoticon to use. :-X
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"a will has been presented"...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/30/national/a134300D32.DTL&tsp=1
See Michael's Last Will (8 pages):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill1.html
I may not be interpreting this correctly, but I noted that Jerry Brown, as Attorney General of the state of California, is named as a party to be notified in Attachment 8 of the document (page 7). However, on the date that the will itself was signed, July 7, 2002, I don't believe Jerry Brown was holding that office. I think he was still mayor of Oakland at that time, and didn't become AG until 2006 or thereabouts. Not sure what's accepted procedure for these types of addenda, but it just seems odd to me.
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A very interesting contrast: compared to the all-MJ-all-the-time orgy of the past week, here's the 1970 obit of Jimi Hendrix on the ABC Evening News. "You've probably never heard of this guy if you're over 30..." It would be another decade before baby-boomers would start to control the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1nY9AOgWI&feature=player_embedded
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"a will has been presented"...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/30/national/a134300D32.DTL&tsp=1
See Michael's Last Will (8 pages):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0701091mjwill1.html
I may not be interpreting this correctly, but I noted that Jerry Brown, as Attorney General of the state of California, is named as a party to be notified in Attachment 8 of the document (page 7). However, on the date that the will itself was signed, July 7, 2002, I don't believe Jerry Brown was holding that office. I think he was still mayor of Oakland at that time, and didn't become AG until 2006 or thereabouts. Not sure what's accepted procedure for these types of addenda, but it just seems odd to me.
I believe the last three pages are attachments that were appended within the last few days b/c the estate is now in probate. Note they all say "PETITION FOR PROBATE" at the bottom. I don't see any current date, though, so I assume some pages are missing.
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rare MJ alert: The Simpsons tonite is a rerun of the ep in which Michael voiced the big fat crazy white guy who thought he was... Michael Jackson.
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OK, first you have to watch this hateful NY GOP congressman, Pete King, spouting his ugly opinions about MJ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-gH2gAXjAw&feature=player_embedded
And then you click this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/3228679099/sizes/o/
I mean... no further comment necessary (and I say this as someone who thinks MJ probably did what he was accused of).
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OK, first you have to watch this hateful NY GOP congressman, Pete King, spouting his ugly opinions about MJ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-gH2gAXjAw&feature=player_embedded
And then you click this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/3228679099/sizes/o/
I mean... no further comment necessary (and I say this as someone who thinks MJ probably did what he was accused of).
I also think he did some of those things he was accused of (saying "he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers" doesn't convince me he's innocent), but Pete King is a little too much.
Part of my fascination w the MJ death is my hope that some answers will now be provided to all the bizarre questions that have been hanging around since he started retreating into his own mental, emotional and psychological Neverland -- sometime after Thriller. I want tell-all books and such! I want this mystery to be solved! Then again, only MJ knew the real answers.
btw, I actually applied to go to his memorial but didn't get it:
"Thank you for your registration. Sorry, we regret to inform you that your registration to attend the Public Memorial Service for Michael Jackson was not selected. Hundreds of thousands registered, but only a few can be in attendance."
I was actually relieved: If I had gotten a ticket, it would have been a logistic nightmare.
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I was actually relieved: If I had gotten a ticket, it would have been a logistic nightmare.
One man's logistical nightmare is another man's eBay bonanza.
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I was actually relieved: If I had gotten a ticket, it would have been a logistic nightmare.
One man's logistical nightmare is another man's eBay bonanza.
Not this time:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=43094
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Part of my fascination w the MJ death is my hope that some answers will now be provided to all the bizarre questions that have been hanging around since he started retreating into his own mental, emotional and psychological Neverland -- sometime after Thriller. I want tell-all books and such! I want this mystery to be solved! Then again, only MJ knew the real answers.
I am acquainted with a woman who, for about eight months a number of years ago, was a production assistant on MJ's HIStory tour overseas. And a condition of her employment was to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) that kept her from talking for ten years. That expired a couple of years ago, and while I don't think she'd be the type to write a tell-all, I'm sure there are others who will. So you only have to wait, and probably not long.
Here's a blog post, written by a mutual friend, with a short narrative (http://haggisbuffet.blogspot.com/2005/02/random-rock-star-moment-13-michael.html) from her telling a bit about her experience without going into too much detail, and a photo of her with the King of Pop.
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Seeing replayed moments from the memorial today makes me sad. I didn't know Brooke Shields was good friends with MJ. Rev. Sharptons comments to the kids that their dad wasn't strange but had strange circumstances to deal with (or something to that effect) was touching.
Gone too soon.... :'(
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Rev. Sharptons comments to the kids that their dad wasn't strange but had strange circumstances to deal with (or something to that effect) was touching.
I call that "denial" but that's just me. Sharpton is as much a charlatan as any right-wing preacher. Don't get me started.
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Rev. Sharptons comments to the kids that their dad wasn't strange but had strange circumstances to deal with (or something to that effect) was touching.
I call that "denial" but that's just me. Sharpton is as much a charlatan as any right-wing preacher. Don't get me started.
no, not just you. That was pandering on Big Skinny Al's part.
Berry Gordy mentioned Michael made some unfortunate decisions. I assumed he wasn't talking about leaving Motown for Epic.
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Berry Gordy mentioned Michael made some unfortunate decisions. I assumed he wasn't talking about leaving Motown for Epic.
Line of the Week!!! I may have to use that on Facebook, dude.
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Berry Gordy mentioned Michael made some unfortunate decisions. I assumed he wasn't talking about leaving Motown for Epic.
Line of the Week!!! I may have to use that on Facebook, dude.
I'd be flattered!
eta: he actually said "there were some sad times and questionable decisions"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUlcGR6Ipdo&feature=player_embedded
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUlcGR6Ipdo&feature=player_embedded
Genius!
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Been listening to a comprehensive J-5 best-of ("Jackson 5 Gold", a 2-disc set). Thankfully it includes some cool early B-sides like "I Found That Girl" and "Darling Dear" and their fab cover of "Doctor My Eyes" -- I had to buy a British GH of theirs to get that on vinyl back in the '80s.
NTM: "Love Song", last track on disc 1, apparently the B-side of "Looking Thru the Windows"; both of those, like "Never Can say Goodbye", written by the late Clifton Davis.
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chk out this 1979 Jet piece on MJ. very interesting, right at the cusp of adulthood, right before Off The Wall came out. He talks about the nasty sex-change rumor going around then, which is just sad. He mentions some fan throwing herself on him, and when he showed no interest, she called him a "fag". He had it tough, for sure, trying to synch his religious upbringing with the life/lives he wanted to lead.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/jet-interview-august-16-1979/
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/motorcitymusic/mj/5196.jpg)
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chk out this 1979 Jet piece on MJ. very interesting, right at the cusp of adulthood, right before Off The Wall came out. He talks about the nasty sex-change rumor going around then, which is just sad. He mentions some fan throwing herself on him, and when he showed no interest, she called him a "fag". He had it tough, for sure, trying to synch his religious upbringing with the life/lives he wanted to lead.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/jet-interview-august-16-1979/
wow, thanks -- that's amazing. needless to say, i think if he hadn't been raised a strict Jehovah's Witness, he'd've had a healthier attitude towards his, er, personal life.
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
TANC, sorta (speaking of "permission"): I'm listening to Essential Jacksons, alll the brothers Epic stuff, and I'm still baffled by the name-change of "Heartbreak Hotel" to "This Place Hotel" -- ya can't copyright a title.
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
He was also the King of Double Negatives!
this might have to go in the Copy Edit 101 thread, too: In the loop I just listened to, MJ sings "Take me to a place without no name."
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
He was also the King of Double Negatives!
this might have to go in the Copy Edit 101 thread, too: In the loop I just listened to, MJ sings "Take me to a place without no name."
The last time he was in SF, MJ listened to the Live 105 morning show, and he wasn't fond of the host...
And obviously, sis Janet (who loves her some America) advised Michael, "those guys are a goldmine!"
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
He was also the King of Double Negatives!
this might have to go in the Copy Edit 101 thread, too: In the loop I just listened to, MJ sings "Take me to a place without no name."
The last time he was in SF, MJ listened to the Live 105 morning show, and he wasn't fond of the host...
And obviously, sis Janet (who loves her some America) advised Michael, "those guys are a goldmine!"
heh, I think you mean the 97.3 Alice Morning Show? ;)
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
He was also the King of Double Negatives!
this might have to go in the Copy Edit 101 thread, too: In the loop I just listened to, MJ sings "Take me to a place without no name."
The last time he was in SF, MJ listened to the Live 105 morning show, and he wasn't fond of the host...
And obviously, sis Janet (who loves her some America) advised Michael, "those guys are a goldmine!"
heh, I think you mean the 97.3 Alice Morning Show? ;)
Actually, Alice dumped him; he's now at Live 105 (since April)
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A clip of an unreleased song has surfaced on the web. Called "A Place With No Name" it's based on the America song "Horse With No Name" and was supposedly recorded with their permission.
http://bit.ly/fgZAA
Btw, the clip they link to is just 25 seconds long, but is looped to repeat several times.
He was also the King of Double Negatives!
this might have to go in the Copy Edit 101 thread, too: In the loop I just listened to, MJ sings "Take me to a place without no name."
The last time he was in SF, MJ listened to the Live 105 morning show, and he wasn't fond of the host...
And obviously, sis Janet (who loves her some America) advised Michael, "those guys are a goldmine!"
heh, I think you mean the 97.3 Alice Morning Show? ;)
Actually, Alice dumped him; he's now at Live 105 (since April)
I should know not to question your radio author-i-tay!
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Best line yet: Bill Maher, on his show Friday (he's been on vacay the last 3 weeks) called MJ "The most famous white lady to die since Princess Diana". LOL!
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Best line yet: Bill Maher, on his show Friday (he's been on vacay the last 3 weeks) called MJ "The most famous white lady to die since Princess Diana". LOL!
ansd here's his entire "New Rules" rant, which climaxes in his comparison of MJ to the US. Genius, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bln77t4LgdY&feature=player_embedded
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Best line yet: Bill Maher, on his show Friday (he's been on vacay the last 3 weeks) called MJ "The most famous white lady to die since Princess Diana". LOL!
ansd here's his entire "New Rules" rant, which climaxes in his comparison of MJ to the US. Genius, really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bln77t4LgdY&feature=player_embedded
ROTFL. especially this bit on obesity among US children: "Michael Jackson didn't die of a heart attack. His play-date rolled over on him."
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mesmerizing:
http://eternalmoonwalk.com/
be sure to search for #4093...
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mesmerizing:
http://eternalmoonwalk.com/
be sure to search for #4093...
This was great! I hope someone compiles a best-of list - I saw only a couple genuinely good moves. But this is a delightful we're-all-one-world project regardless of skills.
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mesmerizing:
http://eternalmoonwalk.com/
be sure to search for #4093...
This was great! I hope someone compiles a best-of list - I saw only a couple genuinely good moves. But this is a delightful we're-all-one-world project regardless of skills.
Amazing how many of them were from Colombia, Mexico, Brazil and other Latin American countries.
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http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/joe_walsh_executed_to_keep?utm_source=b-section
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http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/joe_walsh_executed_to_keep?utm_source=b-section
that's good, but the Greatest Hits covers 71-75 and Joe didn't join the Eaglets until late 75. :)
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clip of MJ and Roberta Flack from the 74 movie "Free To Be You And Me". wonderful little ditty, I loved this soundtrack a a kid, and it turns out I still do! I've been singing it for two days (same thing w the title track from the movie).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSNwxeY09bE
what can you say about the lyrics they're singing? "I don't want to change at all?" oh my...
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Latest paternity rumblings: Mark Lester, former child actor and star of Oliver!
(http://members.tripod.com/Alistair_Bear/celebrity/marklester2.jpg)
says he may be the sperm donor who fathered MJ's kids:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/09/MN611963QD.DTL&tsp=1
I wanted to say "please, sir... may I have some more?" but the first commenter on SFGate beat me to it!
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you can always count on the NY Post:
(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/9909/stacko.jpg)
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AP Source: Coroner rules Jackson's death homicide
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/24/entertainment/e131715D85.DTL&tsp=1
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mesmerizing:
http://eternalmoonwalk.com/
be sure to search for #4093...
This was great! I hope someone compiles a best-of list - I saw only a couple genuinely good moves. But this is a delightful we're-all-one-world project regardless of skills.
reviving this thread for the 1st anniv. Amazingly, eternalmoonwalk.com is still up and, er, running.
I'd forgotten how long this thread ended up being -- easily the longest RIP thread in our history.
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Apropos of MJ's anniv, I just watched the docu This is It -- a real mixed bag. Some impressive sequences, to be sure, but other stuff just seemed repetitive and in the case of things like the "new" Thriller video he was making (in 3-D!), sorta desperate. The fawning interviews with dancers and techs also grated, and I forgot how much "Heal The World" sounds like "We are the World". Glad I didn't pay $15 to see it in IMAX.