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Title: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on January 30, 2008, 04:36:33 PM
In case anyone's interested, this is an Election '08 thread, celebrating first and foremost, Rudy Guiliani dropping from the race!  Yay!  Not that I ever thought he was going to be elected, but now he won't for certain.

Also, farewell to Mr. Edwards, whom I could have lived with.


"And if I am elected
I promise the formation of a new party
A third party, the Wild Party!
I know we have problems,
We got problems right here in Central City,
We have problems on the North, South, East and West,
New York City, Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles,
Detroit, Chicago,
Everybody has problems,
And personally, I don't care."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on January 30, 2008, 09:07:34 PM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: John@10 on January 31, 2008, 12:34:21 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

They just count up his votes and give them to him, but they don't result in anything. The delegates he's already won are likely pledged to him through the first ballot in most states. He'd pull some numbers in the first ballot at the convention, and then they're free to vote for someone else the second ballot - if necessary. Some states don't obligate the delegate to vote for him even on the first ballot.

Even if the actual show is a total bore, the mechanics of a political convention can be pretty interesting. Well, at least once.

//John
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on January 31, 2008, 09:54:22 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks.  Either way, I hope Richardson gets a key role.

As for the Repos, McCain is an honorable person who's hanging with a bad crowd.  I was pulling for Giuliani just because he'd be the most likely to lose.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on January 31, 2008, 09:57:59 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks. 

I don't think O/C or C/O is a likely ticket at this point -- too much bad blood there. Things have gotten nasty if you hadn't noticed.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on January 31, 2008, 10:02:32 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks.

I don't think O/C or C/O is a likely ticket at this point -- too much bad blood there. Things have gotten nasty if you hadn't noticed.

It's a temporary nastiness, I feel; eventually their pragmatic sides will recognize that they need each other.  Now that is love.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on January 31, 2008, 10:24:32 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks.


I don't think O/C or C/O is a likely ticket at this point -- too much bad blood there. Things have gotten nasty if you hadn't noticed.

It's a temporary nastiness, I feel; eventually their pragmatic sides will recognize that they need each other.  Now that is love.

Sorry, I'm feeling pessimistic this week. I think Obama would kick MCain's ass; but I think McCain would beat Hilary. And it's really looking like Hilary right now.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on January 31, 2008, 10:26:30 AM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks.

Maybe, but when Jesse Jackson won S. Carolina in 84 and 88, Bill didn't seem to need Jesse as a running mate.

I can't believe he said that...

I don't think O/C or C/O is a likely ticket at this point -- too much bad blood there. Things have gotten nasty if you hadn't noticed.

It's a temporary nastiness, I feel; eventually their pragmatic sides will recognize that they need each other.  Now that is love.

Hmmm, what's happening to posts... mike's was wierd a minute ago too.

Anyway, what i tried to say was:

When Jesse Jackson won S. Carolina in 84 and 88, Bill didn't seem to need Jesse as a running mate.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on January 31, 2008, 01:36:34 PM
I got real emotional when  I read about Edwards' withdrawl.  I was really looking forward to voting for him, as he's been pulling no punches about corporate influence in our country, and now he's out.  I guess he's still on the ballot.  Does anyone know what happens to votes for him in this primary?

If it's any consolation, we can look forward to him having a role of some influence in whichever administration arises.  I assume we'll now get either an Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket, but I suppose it's possible that if either of them pulls away, they could pull out a wild card from inside their ranks.  Either way, I hope Richardson gets a key role.

As for the Repos, McCain is an honorable person who's hanging with a bad crowd.  I was pulling for Giuliani just because he'd be the most likely to lose.

My folks told me last night that they're hearing Edwards is angling to be the Atty Gen in either a Clinton or Obama cabinet. 

No way there's a C-O or O-C ticket, the Reagan-Bush thing in '80 was a huge anomaly, it has almost never happened in US history otherwise.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on January 31, 2008, 08:45:55 PM
Did anyone else see Peggy Noonan (former Reagan speechwriter and all-around Republican excuse-maker) on yesterday's Daily Show? I just caught the replay. Jon Stewart asked her why Giuliani's campaign imploded and she expressed puzzlement: "here's a man who never made a gaffe, who never had a scandal..."

Never had a scandal ?!? What planet has she been on the past 4 or 5 months?  I've always hated her, but jeez. Oh, and she also (at this late date) still mispronounces Obama's first name as "barrack" (like where they make you live in the Army) rather than "ba-ROCK". What a moron.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on January 31, 2008, 11:35:59 PM
As many of you who read some of my political posts, you know I'm probably furtherest to right of any of you. That being said, I'll celebrate when Mike Huckabee gives up the race. He's very dangerous. I used to like John McCain until he decided to follow that prick in the White House. I'm not likely to vote. I would of accepted John Edwards because he is the most honest of all of them. I hate Clinton and Obama. I can't stand Romney either. McCain is the "least offensive" to me but I can't get past his big support for the ass. Personally I liked Ron Paul but he has zero chance.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 01, 2008, 07:44:45 AM
As many of you who read some of my political posts, you know I'm probably furtherest to right of any of you. That being said, I'll celebrate when Mike Huckabee gives up the race. He's very dangerous. I used to like John McCain until he decided to follow that prick in the White House. I'm not likely to vote. I would of accepted John Edwards because he is the most honest of all of them. I hate Clinton and Obama. I can't stand Romney either. McCain is the "least offensive" to me but I can't get past his big support for the ass. Personally I liked Ron Paul but he has zero chance.

Sounds like you're more of a Libertarian.  We welcome your opinions! I see a lot of Ron Paul signs around SF, actually -- if he does well in any primary it'll be California.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on February 03, 2008, 09:05:22 AM
----------------------------------
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0147632420080202

Grateful Dead to reunite for Obama concert
Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:26am EST

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Life!) - The Grateful Dead, the San Francisco
cult rock band that has played at political events since the 1960s,
will reunite on Monday for the first time in four years to rally
support for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, a
spokesman said on Friday.

Band leader Jerry Garcia died in 1995. Surviving members have played
together occasionally since then, most recently in 2004. On Monday,
original members Mickey Hart, Phil Lesh and Bob Weir will play at a
San Francisco theater a day before California's primary.

"They have agreed to reunite for this one-time-only event in order to
lend support to Senator Obama leading into the crucial 'Super-Tuesday'
series of primaries held on Tuesday, February 5th," the band said in a
statement.

The band gained fame with its free-form psychedelic music when the
counterculture movement flourished in San Francisco in the 1960s, and
they attracted many loyal fans who came to be known as "Deadheads."

(Reporting by Adam Tanner)

(c) Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on February 03, 2008, 09:44:47 PM
----------------------------------
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0147632420080202

Grateful Dead to reunite for Obama concert
Sat Feb 2, 2008 1:26am EST

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters Life!) - The Grateful Dead, the San Francisco
cult rock band that has played at political events since the 1960s,
will reunite on Monday for the first time in four years to rally
support for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, a
spokesman said on Friday.

Band leader Jerry Garcia died in 1995. Surviving members have played
together occasionally since then, most recently in 2004. On Monday,
original members Mickey Hart, Phil Lesh and Bob Weir will play at a
San Francisco theater a day before California's primary.

"They have agreed to reunite for this one-time-only event in order to
lend support to Senator Obama leading into the crucial 'Super-Tuesday'
series of primaries held on Tuesday, February 5th," the band said in a
statement.

The band gained fame with its free-form psychedelic music when the
counterculture movement flourished in San Francisco in the 1960s, and
they attracted many loyal fans who came to be known as "Deadheads."

(Reporting by Adam Tanner)

(c) Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.

It's at the Warfield apparently and steaming at www.iclips.net at 7:30 p.m.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on February 04, 2008, 11:53:22 PM
More love for Obama, this effort from Will.I.Am and several others is quite impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY#
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 05, 2008, 12:49:10 AM
More love for Obama

super obaba girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ


Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 05, 2008, 07:58:49 AM
More love for Obama, this effort from Will.I.Am and several others is quite impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY#

Scarlett Jo likes Mr O -- will that sway mshray's vote?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on February 05, 2008, 08:26:47 AM
More love for Obama

super obaba girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ




Very cool. 
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 05, 2008, 08:32:19 AM
More love for Obama

super obaba girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiMa2Fe-ZQ




Very cool. 

she better watch out -- don't get Chuck Norris pissed. Hasn't she seen that Mountain Dew commercial?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on February 05, 2008, 10:35:22 AM
More love for Obama, this effort from Will.I.Am and several others is quite impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY#

Scarlett Jo likes Mr O -- will that sway mshray's vote?

My mom sent me that, and it did kinda sway my vote.  More for the song & the speech than for Scarlett & the twins' appearance tho'.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on February 05, 2008, 09:42:22 PM
More love for Obama, this effort from Will.I.Am and several others is quite impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY#

Scarlett Jo likes Mr O -- will that sway mshray's vote?

My mom sent me that, and it did kinda sway my vote.  More for the song & the speech than for Scarlett & the twins' appearance tho'.

My vote was already cast, but still a really moving, thoughtful piece of work. (And the woman signing at about 2:05 is hot, too.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on February 06, 2008, 01:42:50 AM
I voted two weeks ago via Absentee. Being a registered Republican I voted Ron Paul. I would of changed to "Decline to state" but the idiots that head the California Republican Party declined to allow those voters to vote in their primary this year (the Democrats did).

The more I hear Clinton, the more I hate her. The more I hear Obama, the more I think, he isn't too bad. He's still to the left of me but I wouldn't rule out voting for him. I'd never vote for Hillary. I can't stand her and I think we've had enough of Bush/Clinton. If she wins, we would have non stop Bush or Clinton between 1989 and (at least) 2013. (Imagine if she wins in 2012 bringing her to 2017. Jeb Bush could win 2016 for 8 years. By that time Chelsea Clinton could run, then Jenna Bush. We could have nonstop Bush then Clinton for the next 50 years)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on February 06, 2008, 08:44:21 AM
(Imagine if she wins in 2012 bringing her to 2017. Jeb Bush could win 2016 for 8 years. By that time Chelsea Clinton could run, then Jenna Bush. We could have nonstop Bush then Clinton for the next 50 years)

That IS pretty scary.

I voted for Obama.  Wife voted for Clinton.  She's happy, because until last night she had never in any election voted for a candidate who actually won.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 06, 2008, 08:53:33 AM
I voted two weeks ago via Absentee. Being a registered Republican I voted Ron Paul. I would of changed to "Decline to state" but the idiots that head the California Republican Party declined to allow those voters to vote in their primary this year (the Democrats did).

The more I hear Clinton, the more I hate her. The more I hear Obama, the more I think, he isn't too bad. He's still to the left of me but I wouldn't rule out voting for him. I'd never vote for Hillary. I can't stand her and I think we've had enough of Bush/Clinton. If she wins, we would have non stop Bush or Clinton between 1989 and (at least) 2013. (Imagine if she wins in 2012 bringing her to 2017. Jeb Bush could win 2016 for 8 years. By that time Chelsea Clinton could run, then Jenna Bush. We could have nonstop Bush then Clinton for the next 50 years)

never mind Hilary vs. Obama -- what'd you think of Stewie vs. Underdog on Sunday? ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on February 06, 2008, 10:41:03 PM
I voted two weeks ago via Absentee. Being a registered Republican I voted Ron Paul. I would of changed to "Decline to state" but the idiots that head the California Republican Party declined to allow those voters to vote in their primary this year (the Democrats did).

The more I hear Clinton, the more I hate her. The more I hear Obama, the more I think, he isn't too bad. He's still to the left of me but I wouldn't rule out voting for him. I'd never vote for Hillary. I can't stand her and I think we've had enough of Bush/Clinton. If she wins, we would have non stop Bush or Clinton between 1989 and (at least) 2013. (Imagine if she wins in 2012 bringing her to 2017. Jeb Bush could win 2016 for 8 years. By that time Chelsea Clinton could run, then Jenna Bush. We could have nonstop Bush then Clinton for the next 50 years)

never mind Hilary vs. Obama -- what'd you think of Stewie vs. Underdog on Sunday? ;)

I didn't see any of the commercials but saw it online. Loved that Charlie Brown finally won something. Lucy didn't take it away like she does with the football.  ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on February 07, 2008, 10:35:31 AM
Mitt quit.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 07, 2008, 10:43:33 AM
Mitt quit.

no shit?

Well, this makes the next couple weeks interesting, now that the "conservative" voters only have I-don't-heart-Huckabee to get behind.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on February 07, 2008, 11:22:29 AM
Mitt quit.

no shit?

Well, this makes the next couple weeks interesting, now that the "conservative" voters only have I-don't-heart-Huckabee to get behind.

My boss says he expects the Rep. ticket to be McCain + Huckabee.  [shiver]
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 07, 2008, 03:53:59 PM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 07, 2008, 04:05:41 PM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)

"Obama fo' yo' Mama!"  ROTFL!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 07, 2008, 04:10:14 PM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)

"Obama fo' yo' Mama!"  ROTFL!

yeah, she was a funny cat.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 07, 2008, 08:57:50 PM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)

"Obama fo' yo' Mama!"  ROTFL!

yeah, she was a funny cat.

Hope you liked 4 Months 3 weeks 2 Days as much as I did -- saw it last week. Tremendous.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on February 07, 2008, 09:53:30 PM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)
Yeah baby!!!!!! too cool.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 08, 2008, 01:58:52 AM
Amelia rocks the vote! (http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1406224087)

"Obama fo' yo' Mama!"  ROTFL!

yeah, she was a funny cat.

Hope you liked 4 Months 3 weeks 2 Days as much as I did -- saw it last week. Tremendous.

yes! very intense, but, but HOW with so little action?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 08, 2008, 11:10:02 AM
First of many Assmussen strips that will undoubtedly appear in this thread:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/08/DDASMUSSENBR.DTL&hw=don+asmussen&sn=001&sc=1000
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on February 08, 2008, 11:13:25 AM
First of many Assmussen strips that will undoubtedly appear in this thread:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/08/DDASMUSSENBR.DTL&hw=don+asmussen&sn=001&sc=1000

LOL!

"Huckabee promises his term's first 100 Days will only take 7."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 11, 2008, 11:44:32 AM
a very funny parody of the will.i.am Obama video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 20, 2008, 09:05:50 AM
food for thought from Alec Baldwin, in his HuffingtonPost blog:

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Watching some Democrats kick around Mrs. Clinton has grown into a sad spectacle.

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Hillary Clinton would make a fine president and I think all reasonable people know that. She would make a better president, offering more constructive policies protecting more Americans, than McCain could ever hope to. Her problem is that Americans, in any given election cycle, can become inflamed with a true passion for change that can only exist in a country like ours. She does not represent that change as well as Mr. Obama does. In spite of her superior capabilities in many areas, Obama would still move into the White House with more foreign policy experience than George Bush had when Bush and his brother stole the election in 2000.

Americans can put up with a lot. After these past eight years, they have proven that they can put up with more than anyone ever imagined. However, that cannot hold forever.

What Mrs. Clinton has that Mr. Obama does not have, Mr. Obama can get. What Mr. Obama has that Mrs. Clinton does not have, she can never get.

Which one is the best hope at defeating McCain, who sounds more like a Bush brother with every passing day?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 21, 2008, 01:19:06 PM
now, personally I think this McCain story is much ado about nothing; if anything it HELPS him because (a) the GOP wingnuts are rallying to his side and (b) it makes him look more like a randy guy and less like "Grandpa Munster" (as Bill Maher calls him).  Dunno what the NYTimes was thinking, frankly. But 23/6 has a point here, re: the alleged girlfriend looks a LOT like his wife.

http://www.236.com/news/2008/02/21/john_mccain_to_america_is_it_c_1_4587.php
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on February 21, 2008, 01:37:11 PM
now, personally I think this McCain story is much ado about nothing; if anything it HELPS him because (a) the GOP wingnuts are rallying to his side and (b) it makes him look more like a randy guy and less like "Grandpa Munster" (as Bill Maher calls him).  Dunno what the NYTimes was thinking, frankly. But 23/6 has a point here, re: the alleged girlfriend looks a LOT like his wife.

http://www.236.com/news/2008/02/21/john_mccain_to_america_is_it_c_1_4587.php

Check this shot of McCain and the missus--which I assume is more recent than the shot 23-6 has:

(http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/02/21/mn-298x232-politics_mccain.jpg)

She looks a little scarier in the one above. Like, you could picture her in leather corset, thigh-high boots and wielding a riding crop.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 21, 2008, 01:40:53 PM

Check this shot of McCain and the missus--which I assume is more recent than the shot 23-6 has:

(http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/02/21/mn-298x232-politics_mccain.jpg)

She looks a little scarier in the one above. Like, you could picture her in leather corset, thigh-high boots and wielding a riding crop.

TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 21, 2008, 01:53:29 PM
and here's the New Republic story about the NYTimes story:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8b7675e4-36de-43f5-afdd-2a2cd2b96a24
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 21, 2008, 02:36:26 PM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 21, 2008, 03:16:32 PM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 21, 2008, 03:40:28 PM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.

yeah! or jessica lange. or cissy spacek.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 21, 2008, 07:28:51 PM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.

yeah! or jessica lange. or cissy spacek.

John McCain - Fred Willard
Hilary Clinton - Rebecca DeMornay
Barack Obama - anybody but Will Smith
special appearance by Phylicia Rashad as Condi Rice!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 21, 2008, 11:52:11 PM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.

yeah! or jessica lange. or cissy spacek.

John McCain - Fred Willard
Hilary Clinton - Rebecca DeMornay
Barack Obama - anybody but Will Smith
special appearance by Phylicia Rashad as Condi Rice!

ha! i haven't thought about rashad in awhile.
might be better if anita hill could act, though.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on February 22, 2008, 09:11:28 AM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.

yeah! or jessica lange. or cissy spacek.

John McCain - Fred Willard
Hilary Clinton - Rebecca DeMornay
Barack Obama - anybody but Will Smith
special appearance by Phylicia Rashad as Condi Rice!

If he were still "available", WC Fields would be great as Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 22, 2008, 09:28:13 AM


TOTALLY!!!  paging the princess...

no thanks. she looks like the evil anne murray channeling sue ellen in a bad anna wintour suit.

ROTFLMAO!  I think Sharon Stone should play her in the TV movie.

yeah! or jessica lange. or cissy spacek.

John McCain - Fred Willard
Hilary Clinton - Rebecca DeMornay
Barack Obama - anybody but Will Smith
special appearance by Phylicia Rashad as Condi Rice!

If he were still "available", WC Fields would be great as Bill Clinton.

Bwhahahah! "what's that stain on your dress, my little chickadee?"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 27, 2008, 04:08:14 PM
This exchange took place today, inspired by an Obama comment in the debate last nite.

McCain: "I am told that Senator Obama would come back to Iraq if al-Qaeda established a base [there]. I have some news. Al-Qaeda is in Iraq. It's called 'al-Qaeda in Iraq.'"

Obama: "I have some news for John McCain. There was no such thing as al-Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq. They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11 and that would be al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, that is stronger now than at any time since 2001."

Damn, that's what I call rapid response!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 28, 2008, 11:57:28 AM
Well, Gaz'll be excited to see that Matt Gonzalez (former SF supe) is Nader's running mate. Me, I say "feh" and "feh" again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/28/BAO5VAQFG.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on February 28, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
Well, Gaz'll be excited to see that Matt Gonzalez (former SF supe) is Nader's running mate. Me, I say "feh" and "feh" again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/28/BAO5VAQFG.DTL

Nader's being a damn fool, and I'm sorry to see Gonzalez taking time away from fighting the good fight to engage in this senselessly idealistic campaign.  IMHO, of course.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on February 28, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
Well, Gaz'll be excited to see that Matt Gonzalez (former SF supe) is Nader's running mate. Me, I say "feh" and "feh" again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/28/BAO5VAQFG.DTL

Nader's being a damn fool, and I'm sorry to see Gonzalez taking time away from fighting the good fight to engage in this senselessly idealistic campaign.  IMHO, of course.

From SFGate's Politics Blog:

"Well, this explains why Gonzalez was so eager to see Nader run for president. Now Gonzalez, who many already suspected of being solely a self-promoter, gets to see his name in international headlines too. Even for a self-defeating and backwards campaign like this one. Yawn.

There you have it, folks: two narcissists running together to save the country from itself. They'll get 1.5 percent of the vote and fade away, mercifully, for the next four years.

Why Gonzalez didn't stick to local politics is a mystery. After he nearly won the mayor's bid in 2003, he had a solid chance to build a strong coalition and really push forward with an agenda. He could have made a big difference if he stuck to local politics. Instead, he dropped out, sulked, and waited for the chance to launch himself (not his policies) again. Now he's decided to hitch his wagon to the trainwreck that's Nader.

Hope that works out for you, Matt. When it doesn't, you've still got plenty of supporters in San Francisco who are feeling frustrated and, probably, betrayed."

To which I say: I couldn't agree more. I'm not a Gonzo fan; when he ran against Newsom he was the lefty equivalent of Schwarzenegger -- jumping into the race at the last minute, all platitudes and no plans (compared to Gavin N., who had a website full of position papers on every issue you could think of).  Then a year later he quits the Board altogether, saying he hates politics because y'know, you have to make compromises'n'stuff. Sheesh. Some mayor *he* woulda made.  He may be cute, Gaz, but he's a dick. 

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on February 29, 2008, 06:01:44 AM
He may be cute, Gaz, but he's a dick. 



and he's not all that cute, either. he looks like a wet david geffen.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on February 29, 2008, 09:43:41 AM
He may be cute, Gaz, but he's a dick. 



and he's not all that cute, either. he looks like a wet david geffen.

When he was running against Gavin four years ago, I was shocked how many women I know were all squishy down there for him. Kind pudgy, bad haircut, ill-fitting thrift store suits, and they were just ready to jump him at the first opportunity. Geek chic I guess--go figure.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on February 29, 2008, 02:20:03 PM
He may be cute, Gaz, but he's a dick. 



and he's not all that cute, either. he looks like a wet david geffen.

When he was running against Gavin four years ago, I was shocked how many women I know were all squishy down there for him. Kind pudgy, bad haircut, ill-fitting thrift store suits, and they were just ready to jump him at the first opportunity. Geek chic I guess--go figure.

I have no first-hand experience, but aren't they all squishy down there?

You're right, though - it's all about the geek-cute.  (Even the bad haircuts.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on February 29, 2008, 05:42:23 PM
He may be cute, Gaz, but he's a dick. 



and he's not all that cute, either. he looks like a wet david geffen.

When he was running against Gavin four years ago, I was shocked how many women I know were all squishy down there for him. Kind pudgy, bad haircut, ill-fitting thrift store suits, and they were just ready to jump him at the first opportunity. Geek chic I guess--go figure.

I have no first-hand experience, but aren't they all squishy down there?

You're right, though - it's all about the geek-cute.  (Even the bad haircuts.)

Sort of, but not 24-7. And certainly moreso when their interests are piqued. So to speak.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 12, 2008, 10:02:29 AM
Olbermanns doing one of his "Special Comments" -- usually aimed at the Repugs -- about Hillary tonite:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/keith-olbermann-to-do-sp_n_91110.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on March 12, 2008, 04:38:46 PM
Olbermanns doing one of his "Special Comments" -- usually aimed at the Repugs -- about Hillary tonite:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/keith-olbermann-to-do-sp_n_91110.html

I cannot stand Keith Olbermann. To me is arrogant, pompous man. He's the (NFL's Cowboys #81). It's look at me, look at me. I hated him when he did ESPN, I hate him now.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 16, 2008, 05:32:43 PM
Tracy Morgan's very funny (IMHO) retort on SNL last nite to Tina Fey's support for Hillary:

"I want to know what qualifies Hillary Clinton to be president? Is it because she was married to the president? If that were true, then Robin Givens would be heavyweight champion of the world. If Hillary's last name wasn't 'Clinton,' you know...she'd just be some crazy white woman with too much money and not enough lovin'. That's where I come in. I know women like that. You don't want them answering the phone at 3:00 in the morning.

"This, in conclusion. Three weeks ago, my friend Tina Fey, she came on the show and she declared that bitch was the new black, right? You know I love you, Tina Fey....you know you my girl. I have something to say. Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new president, bitch!"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on March 17, 2008, 01:44:48 PM
As some of you may have heard, recently Senator Obama has been challenged about sermons the pastor of his church preached several years ago following the events of 9/11.  As most of you know, my dad is a retired Lutheran pastor with a strong leftist bent.  My dad, who only made up his mind to vote for Obama on Super Tuesday eve, has written an Op Ed piece (I think it could use some quality copy edit, especially around citations, but then it would be good for somehting like Newsweeks "My Turn" column):

Pastor Jeremiah Wright, Prophet 

by Rev. Ted Schroeder

(short version)
An African American preacher in Chicago made the news this past week for being the pastor of Sen. Barak Obama’s church and for saying, “God damn America.”  The media pounced upon the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright…..and on Senator Obama(!). 
The commentators I heard on television, with one exception, took deep offense at Pastor Wright’s words.  The pundits asked how someone who calls himself a ‘man of God’ could say such a thing.  The church is supposed to pray for America, they said.  Isn’t it supposed to sing ‘God bless America’?   Even Sen. Obama was backed into saying that he rejected the harsh words his pastor had spoken.
I suggest that Pastor Wright’s words find a strong parallel in the words of Jesus in Luke 6:20-26.  (It will require some serious word study, but it may protect us from a law suit, should Dr. Wright ever choose to file charges for defamation of character.)
[Should the media publish a Bible study?  That is not for me to decide.  But unless someone names the biblical and historical traditions which inform the call to be a prophet for the Lord, then Rev. Wright will continue to be vilified with no defense.]
In the middle of Luke chapter 6, Jesus preaches words which are very familiar: “Happy are the poor....blessed are those who weep.” Blessed and happy.  How nice. God smiles on the poor, gives them a comforting pat on the head.  But the word blessed in the original Greek (makarios) is a far more robust word than a warm smile or a touch.
A twentieth century Spanish translation used the word bienaventurado which literally means “good adventure.”  “You, who are named makarios, are on the great adventure with God in the world.”  Other biblical scholars suggest that makarios is to be translated “you are right where you need to be….where you would want to be,” namely you are with God.  You have heaven now.
Then abruptly Jesus says (v 24), “Woe to you who are rich….sated.… laughing ….publicly praised.”  Woe!  Soon you will be hungry, mourning and weeping.  Woe!  The Greek word is ouai, the exact opposite of makarios.  You are not on God’s great adventure.  You are on the side of God’s opponent.  You are precisely in a place opposite where you would want to be, if you were not so blinded.   You have chosen to be apart from God.  You have chosen damnation.  You have hell now and you don’t even realize it.  What must a prophet of the Lord say to persons such as these? 
God warned the prophet Ezekiel, “If you do not warn those headed to destruction, then their blood is on your hands.”  Someone must speak a word of warning, using words which penetrate to the heart of distracted hearers and change them into listeners. 
Twenty-seven hundred years ago the prophet Amos preached to such a situation.  He denounced the rich and powerful for oppressing the poor, the  widow, the orphan, using a Hebrew word similar to ouai, woe, and got deported from Israel as an undesirable alien.   Two hundred years later, Jeremiah in Jerusalem proclaimed woe and was imprisoned for sedition and lack of patriotism.  However between the time of Amos and the time of Jeremiah, Israel was conquered and its people disappeared from history—the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel!  And Jeremiah’s lifetime Jerusalem was destroyed and its people were taken away to Babylonian.
Years before, when Jeremiah had been challenged by state-sponsored prophets, his only defense had been, “time will tell which prophet is speaking the truth.”  (There are no last laughs for faithful prophets.)
Chicago’s prophet Jeremiah is not the only preacher proclaiming divine wrath and judgment on the United States of America.  Some are from minority populations—women, gays, blacks and other people of color.  Some are white.  All are struggling to speak a word which will be heeded, a word which clearly describes reality, a word which calls for God’s justice.  This is the challenge for 21st century American prophets.  Jeremiah of Chicago, called by God to speak for God, chose the words which every American can understand:  “Damn you!”
Even a casual reading of the Bible reveals similarities between Biblical times and nations and these times and this nation.  What would the Jesus of Luke chapter six say to the USA today?  What would Amos and Jeremiah (and Habakkuk and John the Baptizer who also preached ‘woe’ and the wrath of God) say to us here and now?

God bless all who prophecy the truth.  Courage to them!




      Rev. Ted Schroeder
      Kansas City MO

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on March 19, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
Obama's speech was nothing short of magnificent, McCain can't tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (they're all the same if they're in Iran, I guess), and the war turned 5 today.  But who cares - Spitzer's whore is a Girl Gone Wild!!!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 19, 2008, 02:37:58 PM
Obama's speech was nothing short of magnificent, McCain can't tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (they're all the same if they're in Iran, I guess), and the war turned 5 today.  But who cares - Spitzer's whore is a Girl Gone Wild!!!

and --sadly -- Hillary has a 20-point lead in PA.  If that doesn't change after this week --Obama has another big speech tomorrow -- I may consider suicide (if the rainbow is enuf).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 19, 2008, 04:03:45 PM
Obama's speech was nothing short of magnificent, McCain can't tell a Sunni from a Shi'ite (they're all the same if they're in Iran, I guess), and the war turned 5 today.  But who cares - Spitzer's whore is a Girl Gone Wild!!!

and --sadly -- Hillary has a 20-point lead in PA.  If that doesn't change after this week --Obama has another big speech tomorrow -- I may consider suicide (if the rainbow is enuf).

A TANC of sorts: CGSS is playing a very cool remix of Timmy Thomas' "Why can't We Live Together" that features clips of MLK and others. New to me, and quite nice. And earlier we got Billy Paul's Black History-centric cover of Macca's "Let 'em In". Both of these woulda spiced up Dave's MLK set (had there been one).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 20, 2008, 01:18:53 PM
And then there's *Hillary's* church (or perhaps that should be "church", 'cause it sounds more like a cult):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

This is totally news to me -- "WTF?" doesn't even begin to cover it.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on March 21, 2008, 08:48:42 AM
Ok, Geraldine Ferraro needs to Shut. The. F--k. UP! Seriously.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/geraldine-fer-1.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on March 21, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
Ok, Geraldine Ferraro needs to Shut. The. F--k. UP! Seriously.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/geraldine-fer-1.html
it really seems like people have not taken the time to listen/read Obama's actual speech, and instead have been regurgitating news bites.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on March 24, 2008, 11:59:16 PM
Some long but engaging bloggage on themes in the Obama speech:

"Class, Nation and Covenant" (http://www.ssrc.org/blogs/immanent_frame/2008/03/21/class-nation-and-covenant/)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on April 29, 2008, 11:50:22 AM
Obama -- finally -- throws Rev Wright under the proverbial bus.  Shoulda happened months ago.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/29/957771.aspx
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 09, 2008, 07:44:35 AM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on May 10, 2008, 10:23:00 AM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on May 12, 2008, 09:54:46 AM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.

Bruno?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 12, 2008, 11:10:20 AM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.

Bruno?

That's Bruno Ganz, the great German actor, playing Hitler in the film Downfall, which came out a few years ago. They took that clip and wrote the hilarious new subtitles. Very clever.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on May 12, 2008, 11:22:58 AM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.

Bruno?

That's Bruno Ganz, the great German actor, playing Hitler in the film Downfall, which came out a few years ago. They took that clip and wrote the hilarious new subtitles. Very clever.

Ahhh.  I know there was a film in which Anthony Hopkins played Hitler (and it was hard to convince myself that wasn't him with excellent makeup), but I seriously doubted it was done auf duetsch.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on May 12, 2008, 12:39:27 PM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.

Bruno?

That's Bruno Ganz, the great German actor, playing Hitler in the film Downfall, which came out a few years ago. They took that clip and wrote the hilarious new subtitles. Very clever.

actually, he's swiss. for some reason, i always thought he was italian.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 12, 2008, 12:56:48 PM
Hillary as Hitler? Olbermann's head may explode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

Over-the-top, yes, but pretty damn funny.

that's great! gotta love bruno.

Bruno?

That's Bruno Ganz, the great German actor, playing Hitler in the film Downfall, which came out a few years ago. They took that clip and wrote the hilarious new subtitles. Very clever.

actually, he's swiss. for some reason, i always thought he was italian.

oops. I almost said Austrian.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 14, 2008, 02:28:15 PM
BREAKING NEWS: John Edwards will (finally) break his silence and endorse Obama tonite.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on May 15, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
Moving the discussion of the gay marriage and political response over here.

Obama probably can't come out in support of gay unrestricted marriage*, because in the sense that "Only Nixon could go to China", he's too middle of the road to make such support tenable.  My dad points out that Obama was 'raised white' and simply does not have the deep visceral understanding of the Black Church, despite listening to Rev. Wright for 20 years.  And Obama is certainly aware that he is vulnerable to attacks of 'not being Black enough' and that this particular issue could really charge up that argument, something the GOP hit squads must surely already be scheming about.

(My folks are also shaking their heads at the way Wright acted at the press conference leading up to Obama officially disowning him, agreeing that he left Obama no choice.  But now he is on thin ice with his core constituency).

My mom also takes serious issue with people just calling Obama an African-American, and not saying that he is of mixed race, and therefore every bit as much white as he is black.  This resonates with me of course, having mixed-race kids myself.

*and how come no one on my side of this issue has tried to win the lexical battle?  The issue should be presented as Unrestricted Marriage, and any time someone on the other side of the argument talks about Gay Marriage or Protection of Marriage, they need to be unceremoniously corrected.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on May 15, 2008, 12:44:52 PM
On a different note, there's an article in the Rocky Mountain News about the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Denver, and the file photo happens to be of my cousin Jerome, who is an Air Force officer, a doctor, gay & lives in Denver with his partner George.

(http://media.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/content/img/photos/2008/05/13/436464584_t220.jpg)

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, left, in Denver to help the state party raise money and answer questions for people planning to be delegates at the state convention, signs an autograph for Dr. Jerome Schroeder after giving a presentation.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 15, 2008, 12:58:45 PM
*and how come no one on my side of this issue has tried to win the lexical battle?  The issue should be presented as Unrestricted Marriage, and any time someone on the other side of the argument talks about Gay Marriage or Protection of Marriage, they need to be unceremoniously corrected.

I completely agree! I'd never heard the expression until you used it today and I think it's great -- analogous to "pro-choice"-as-opposed-to-"pro-abortion". Unfortunately gay activists are often loathe to use "neutered" language because they see it as a concession. They're a pain in the ass that way (pun intended).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on May 15, 2008, 01:55:34 PM
*and how come no one on my side of this issue has tried to win the lexical battle?  The issue should be presented as Unrestricted Marriage, and any time someone on the other side of the argument talks about Gay Marriage or Protection of Marriage, they need to be unceremoniously corrected.

I completely agree! I'd never heard the expression until you used it today and I think it's great -- analogous to "pro-choice"-as-opposed-to-"pro-abortion". Unfortunately gay activists are often loathe to use "neutered" language because they see it as a concession. They're a pain in the ass that way (pun intended).

Unrestricted marraige wouldn't be quite accurate though -- we still need to restrict incestuous marraige.  And Unrestricted Except for Incestuous Marraige is a mouthful.  On the other hand, there is no scientific reason to prohibit same-sex incestuous marraige.  I mean, if married twin lesbians adopt a child, it's not suddenly going to grow a tail, is it? 

What were we talking about?  ;D
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 15, 2008, 02:00:13 PM
*and how come no one on my side of this issue has tried to win the lexical battle?  The issue should be presented as Unrestricted Marriage, and any time someone on the other side of the argument talks about Gay Marriage or Protection of Marriage, they need to be unceremoniously corrected.

I completely agree! I'd never heard the expression until you used it today and I think it's great -- analogous to "pro-choice"-as-opposed-to-"pro-abortion". Unfortunately gay activists are often loathe to use "neutered" language because they see it as a concession. They're a pain in the ass that way (pun intended).

Unrestricted marraige wouldn't be quite accurate though -- we still need to restrict incestuous marraige.  And Unrestricted Except for Incestuous Marraige is a mouthful.  On the other hand, there is no scientific reason to prohibit same-sex incestuous marraige.  I mean, if married twin lesbians adopt a child, it's not suddenly going to grow a tail, is it? 

What were we talking about?  ;D


LOL!  right-wingers would support married twin lesbians... as long as they could watch.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 15, 2008, 09:01:53 PM
and it begins: the fundies gear up.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/15/BA3G10N42P.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 20, 2008, 10:42:15 AM
BREAKING NEWS: Ted Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Kennedy.html?hp
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on May 20, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Ted Kennedy has a malignant brain tumor.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Kennedy.html?hp
I know people don't live forever, but this hits me pretty hard nonetheless.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on May 21, 2008, 12:27:51 PM
Wrote this short poem this afternoon.

Journamalism Is My Wingman; Or, I Want to Spoil the Party

Media creatures with a false voice
Presenting America with a false choice:
Align with the party of William Ayres
Or align with the party of billionaires.
Pick a side; and once you decide,
You're in part and parcel; you're on for the ride.
Nuance is hard. Simple is neat.
Dumb is authentic. Smart is elite.
Take all those busy thoughts out of your head
And go watch Desperate Housewives instead.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 21, 2008, 12:29:27 PM
Wrote this short poem this afternoon.

Journamalism Is My Wingman; Or, I Want to Spoil the Party

Media creatures with a false voice
Presenting America with a false choice:
Align with the party of William Ayres
Or align with the party of billionaires.
Pick a side; and once you decide,
You're in part and parcel; you're on for the ride.
Nuance is hard. Simple is neat.
Dumb is authentic. Smart is elite.
Take all those busy thoughts out of your head
And go watch Desperate Housewives instead.

That's brilliant! You need to submit it to poetry journals.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on May 21, 2008, 02:34:11 PM
Wrote this short poem this afternoon.

Journamalism Is My Wingman; Or, I Want to Spoil the Party

Media creatures with a false voice
Presenting America with a false choice:
Align with the party of William Ayres
Or align with the party of billionaires.
Pick a side; and once you decide,
You're in part and parcel; you're on for the ride.
Nuance is hard. Simple is neat.
Dumb is authentic. Smart is elite.
Take all those busy thoughts out of your head
And go watch Desperate Housewives instead.

can i listen to roy ayers and still be elite?

welcome to the world of "the running man".
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 27, 2008, 08:15:02 AM
David Brooks on today's NYTimes Op-Ed page:

"My first thought on the running mate question is that to balance his ticket, Barack Obama should pick a really old white general. Therefore, he should pick Dwight Eisenhower. John McCain, on the other hand, needs to pick someone younger than himself. Therefore, he also should pick Dwight Eisenhower."

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on May 27, 2008, 08:20:40 AM
David Brooks on today's NYTimes Op-Ed page:

"My first thought on the running mate question is that to balance his ticket, Barack Obama should pick a really old white general. Therefore, he should pick Dwight Eisenhower. John McCain, on the other hand, needs to pick someone younger than himself. Therefore, he also should pick Dwight Eisenhower."



That's pretty funny.  I'd like to see Obama select Jim Webb of VA.  But I'd be OK with a ticket of him and Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on May 28, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
and it begins: the fundies gear up.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/15/BA3G10N42P.DTL&tsp=1

When Gavin was on the Morning Show they asked him if this would lead directly to an ammendment backlash, and his response (and my immediate gut feeling as well) was, "That dog won't hunt!"

and now here's some early proof:

(http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/05/28/mn_same_marriage28.jpg)

full article here:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/28/MNOU10U8MB.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/28/MNOU10U8MB.DTL&tsp=1)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 28, 2008, 12:33:32 PM
the latest Assmussen:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/28/DDASMUSSENBR.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on May 29, 2008, 11:28:02 AM
Hilary gets Ricky Martin's endorsement, ahead of the Puerto Rico primary...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/1076764.aspx

So she's wrapped up the closeted Latino gay male vote!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on June 13, 2008, 07:45:12 AM
McCain pisses off John Hall:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/13/1138458.aspx

I love the first comment after the article: "Poor McCain -- he's gonna be stuck playing one Ted Nugent song after another".
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on June 17, 2008, 09:44:43 AM
McCain pisses off John Hall:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/13/1138458.aspx

I love the first comment after the article: "Poor McCain -- he's gonna be stuck playing one Ted Nugent song after another".

I also like the later comment: "Are the democrats united?  We're getting message consistency even from the 80's rockers now."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on June 18, 2008, 11:09:25 AM
scary but not surprising -- check out what was being sold at the Texas State GOP convention:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/06/signpost.php
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on June 19, 2008, 08:52:45 AM
This is well worth the 9 mins it takes to watch: an Olbermann report on how gas priices got so high (and McCain's connections to some of those involved).  Now I understand what was gobbledygook before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gb5_VKY6gs
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on June 28, 2008, 10:16:37 AM
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on June 30, 2008, 12:23:37 AM
http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

Brilliant. I have an uncle who insists on forwarding me e-mails slamming the left or promoting the GOP (I've asked him not to but he still does now and again). I think I need to send him this.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on July 02, 2008, 11:30:22 AM

scary but not surprising -- check out what was being sold at the Texas State GOP convention:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/06/signpost.php


Ken Jennings had an intersting take on this is his blog that I missed earlier:

http://ken-jennings.com/blog/?p=887 (http://ken-jennings.com/blog/?p=887)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on July 15, 2008, 08:38:47 AM
John Murrell of the Merc on McCain's tech sensibilities:

Uh, Cindy, it's one of those 3 a.m. crisis calls -- can you sign me on to the Net?:

So I was reading Sunday's New York Times interview with Sen. John McCain, and when I got to the part about how he doesn't use e-mail and depends on his aides to click him through to various blogs and news sites, my first reactions were a chuckle, an eye-roll and a shake of the head. Until it started to sink in.

Here's some of what McCain said (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13text-mccain.html#) during the interview (as his wife, Cindy, and several top aides sat by tapping on their BlackBerries). The Times asked, "Do you go online yourself?" McCain, referring to his aides answered, "They go on for me. I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself. I don't expect to be a great communicator, I don't expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need - including going to my daughter's blog first, before anything else. ... I don't e-mail; I've never felt the particular need to e-mail. I read e-mails all the time, but the communications that I have with my friends and staff are oral and done with my cell phone."

OK, if he were the 72-year-old guy down the block, I could cut him some slack. Whatever age you are, if you don't have any use for the Net, if you don't want the hassle of learning all that new stuff, fine (and I mean that, Mom, despite the grief I give you). But if you're running for the highest office in the land and one of the most powerful positions on earth, shouldn't you at least know how to log on to the freakin' Internet by yourself? "I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon." Have it down fairly soon? It's a double-click, Senator. A little closer together, sir -- click-click. Sheesh. Ordinary folks from 3 to 103 have picked this up in minutes, and he'll have it down fairly soon.

What bothers me is not so much that McCain is uninvolved with the technology, but that he's willfully uninvolved -- an aspiring 21st century leader who simply has neither the interest nor the initiative to take even the easiest steps toward personally participating in 21st century communication. To me, that's a warning sign of a mind that has stopped exploring, content that it pretty much knows what it needs to know -- a common enough quality, but not a good one in a leader.

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on July 15, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
Mark, good observation.  Bush fils has helped see to it that the Republican party for a long time will be known as the party of intellectual uncuriosity.  So McCain's disdain of the Internet actually will help him among some voters: teh Interwebs are for teh elites, I guess. 
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on July 15, 2008, 08:50:43 AM
Mark, good observation.  Bush fils has helped see to it that the Republican party for a long time will be known as the party of intellectual uncuriosity.  So McCain's disdain of the Internet actually will help him among some voters: teh Interwebs are for teh elites, I guess. 

precisely. 

But fair use disclaimer: the entire post above is a quote from Murrell's blog, so while I completely agree, the observations are his.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 15, 2008, 08:52:00 AM
Mark, good observation.  Bush fils has helped see to it that the Republican party for a long time will be known as the party of intellectual uncuriosity.  So McCain's disdain of the Internet actually will help him among some voters: teh Interwebs are for teh elites, I guess. 

Indeed.  The scary thing is that while he may be 72 *now*, he was in his late 50s when the 'net was becoming a staple of every office -- he's a Senator fer gawd's sake.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on July 15, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
John McCain does not believe gays are fit to adopt.  Once and for all: Fuck McCain.  And fuck his party for continuing to poison America with this kind of thinking, for deciding that kids are better off in orphanages or on the streets than in homes with gay parents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13text-mccain.html

Q: President Bush believes that gay couples should not be permitted to adopt children. Do you agree with that?

Mr. McCain: I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no I don’t believe in gay adoption.

Q: Even if the alternative is the kid staying in an orphanage, or not having parents.

Mr. McCain: I encourage adoption and I encourage the opportunities for people to adopt children I encourage the process being less complicated so they can adopt as quickly as possible. And Cindy and I are proud of being adoptive parents.

Q: But your concern would be that the couple should a traditional couple

Mr. McCain: Yes.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on July 15, 2008, 03:30:46 PM
Just realized that the link I provided is the same McCain interview referenced by Mark (and Murrell) above.  More discouraging stuff to be found in there, including his admission that he'd leave it up to school boards whether or not to teach evolution.  (I'm reminded of the line that the theocons are against evolution because it hasn't happened to them yet.)

Quote
Q: How do you feel about teaching evolution in schools?

Mr. McCain: I think, first of all, it’s up to the school boards. That’s why we have local control over education. So my personal view is that children should be exposed to as much as they possibly can so that they can make their decisions and be the best informed. But I really believe that school boards are elected in order to make a lot of those decisions, and I respect their decisions unless they are unconstitutional in some way or, you know.

Q: If you were on a school board, how would you vote?

Mr. McCain: I don’t know, Adam. I’d have to see the proposal, I’d have to see where it lies in the curriculum, I’d have to – I can’t. I’m not running for school board.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 16, 2008, 08:40:23 AM
For those who had issues with the Obama New Yorker cover:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1792
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on July 16, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
For those who had issues with the Obama New Yorker cover:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1792
Except that, as a few other columnists and bloggers have pointed out, McCain DID say "bomb-bomb-Iran," and Cindy DID abuse and steal pills, so those are things that can be satirized, parodied, exaggerated.  Barack and Michelle did not do the things they're portrayed as doing.  So it's not the best comparison.  It would have been a better illustration if McCain were pictured with the black illegitimate children the Bush/Rove campaign rumored him to have in the 2000 primary season.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 16, 2008, 09:15:42 AM
For those who had issues with the Obama New Yorker cover:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1792
Except that, as a few other columnists and bloggers have pointed out, McCain DID say "bomb-bomb-Iran," and Cindy DID abuse and steal pills, so those are things that can be satirized, parodied, exaggerated.  Barack and Michelle did not do the things they're portrayed as doing.  So it's not the best comparison.  It would have been a better illustration if McCain were pictured with the black illegitimate children the Bush/Rove campaign rumored him to have in the 2000 primary season.

ah, but that's what the cartoonist here is saying: "here's a cartoon for those of you who don't get 'irony' or 'satire' -- who only want cartoons to show things that are based in reality"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 16, 2008, 10:38:35 AM
For those who had issues with the Obama New Yorker cover:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1792
Except that, as a few other columnists and bloggers have pointed out, McCain DID say "bomb-bomb-Iran," and Cindy DID abuse and steal pills, so those are things that can be satirized, parodied, exaggerated.  Barack and Michelle did not do the things they're portrayed as doing.  So it's not the best comparison.  It would have been a better illustration if McCain were pictured with the black illegitimate children the Bush/Rove campaign rumored him to have in the 2000 primary season.

ah, but that's what the cartoonist here is saying: "here's a cartoon for those of you who don't get 'irony' or 'satire' -- who only want cartoons to show things that are based in reality"

Better yet:

(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/71508/ironic.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on July 17, 2008, 10:53:31 AM

Better yet:

(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/71508/ironic.jpg)


Wow, that's just about sums it up perfectly.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 28, 2008, 12:02:44 PM
This is your brain on... hope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn55ZdmBPJ4&feature=user
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on July 28, 2008, 01:35:58 PM
This is your brain on... hope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn55ZdmBPJ4&feature=user
thank you so much.  It's so good I just stole it for a blog post!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 31, 2008, 07:52:06 AM
Thanks a lot, Ludacris, you f---ing moron:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/30/ludacris-obama-song-polit_n_115833.html

In a related story, the Daily Show did a hilarious bit this week about the similarities between Rappers & Republicans. 

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/07/daily-show-rappers-republicans-virgil-goode.php

"They both love money, they love guns, gay people scare the shit out of them, and every other word out of their mouth is N----er"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on July 31, 2008, 02:11:48 PM
If you haven't seen Jon Voight's hilariously preposterous right-wing anti-Obama screed from the Washington Times (aka "the Moonie paper"), here it is. No wonder Angelina hates him...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on July 31, 2008, 11:37:50 PM
If you haven't seen Jon Voight's hilariously preposterous right-wing anti-Obama screed from the Washington Times (aka "the Moonie paper"), here it is. No wonder Angelina hates him...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

Safe to say, he didn't have a ghostwriter for that.  ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 01, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
If you haven't seen Jon Voight's hilariously preposterous right-wing anti-Obama screed from the Washington Times (aka "the Moonie paper"), here it is. No wonder Angelina hates him...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/
I love how right-wingers who accuse lefties of disrespecting our soldiers in uniform have no problem attacking military men like Wesley Clark when it's convenient to their agenda.  What's good for a goose is barely worth a gander.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 06, 2008, 07:46:28 AM
If you haven't seen this yet -- props to Ms Hilton; I didn't know she had it in her. VERY clever:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on August 06, 2008, 10:03:01 AM
If you haven't seen this yet -- props to Ms Hilton; I didn't know she had it in her. VERY clever:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d

LOL -- Totally hot.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 06, 2008, 10:04:04 AM
If you haven't seen this yet -- props to Ms Hilton; I didn't know she had it in her. VERY clever:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
My sentiments ex-ACT-ly,  Loves it!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on August 06, 2008, 05:02:11 PM
If you haven't seen this yet -- props to Ms Hilton; I didn't know she had it in her. VERY clever:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
the scary part is her delivery of her energy policy sounded more like she knew what she was talking about than Bush or McCain!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on August 07, 2008, 12:16:11 AM
If you haven't seen this yet -- props to Ms Hilton; I didn't know she had it in her. VERY clever:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d
the scary part is her delivery of her energy policy sounded more like she knew what she was talking about than Bush or McCain!

I didn't think she could even read.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 07, 2008, 12:33:57 AM
I posed this question via e-mail to a few friends of mine, and wanted to solicit the POVs of any of y'alls who feel so inclined.

If indeed the right-wingers truly believe that Obama is some combination of Muslim terrorist, militant black-liberationist, Manchurian candidate, jihadist treasoner - then will Obama truly have the opportunity to lead the country if he wins in November?  Or will we get open insurrection from a not insignificant portion of the U.S. population?  I live in a left-wing bubble, I realize; the few conservatives I have any contact with are the mass-media pundits, the invective-hurling trolls on liberal and centrist blogs, and the occasional family member.  So I don't know how seriously real people take the accusations that are so thoughtlessly and carelessly tossed around by the more scurrilous and avaricious members of our media.

Thx,
Gaz.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 07, 2008, 07:43:12 AM
I posed this question via e-mail to a few friends of mine, and wanted to solicit the POVs of any of y'alls who feel so inclined.

If indeed the right-wingers truly believe that Obama is some combination of Muslim terrorist, militant black-liberationist, Manchurian candidate, jihadist treasoner - then will Obama truly have the opportunity to lead the country if he wins in November?  Or will we get open insurrection from a not insignificant portion of the U.S. population?  I live in a left-wing bubble, I realize; the few conservatives I have any contact with are the mass-media pundits, the invective-hurling trolls on liberal and centrist blogs, and the occasional family member.  So I don't know how seriously real people take the accusations that are so thoughtlessly and carelessly tossed around by the more scurrilous and avaricious members of our media.

Thx,
Gaz.

Open insurrection? No. But FAUX News etc will be on him like white-on-rice, and it will be the Clinton years all over again, as far as they're concerned.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on August 07, 2008, 08:15:15 AM
I posed this question via e-mail to a few friends of mine, and wanted to solicit the POVs of any of y'alls who feel so inclined.

If indeed the right-wingers truly believe that Obama is some combination of Muslim terrorist, militant black-liberationist, Manchurian candidate, jihadist treasoner - then will Obama truly have the opportunity to lead the country if he wins in November?  Or will we get open insurrection from a not insignificant portion of the U.S. population?  I live in a left-wing bubble, I realize; the few conservatives I have any contact with are the mass-media pundits, the invective-hurling trolls on liberal and centrist blogs, and the occasional family member.  So I don't know how seriously real people take the accusations that are so thoughtlessly and carelessly tossed around by the more scurrilous and avaricious members of our media.

Thx,
Gaz.

Open insurrection? No. But FAUX News etc will be on him like white-on-rice, and it will be the Clinton years all over again, as far as they're concerned.

I think Mike makes an excellent point -- most of Obama's problems will come within the system.

As far as open insurrection, there will be wing-nuts advocating a more violent solution.  I know a few passionate yet not very bright "conservatives" that will talk.  But mostly it will be talk.  The ones that scare me are the right-wing crazy survivalist types, but hopefully the secret service already knows to keep an eye on these people.

One of my best friends is a true conservative (and otherwise a decent enough guy).  We've argued politics over the last 35 years, and now just agree that he's a Republican because he thinks Democrats are communists, and I'm a Democrat because I think Republicans are fascists.  He will not be among the radicals who call for open rebellion, but he will support the Repugnicans and Fox news when they try to tear down Barack politically.

The system is broken, but it's the only one we got.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 25, 2008, 01:26:48 PM
I'm not making this up: McCain today received the endorsement of Puerto Rican Reggaeton star Daddy Yankee. Going for the 'rican teen girl vote, obviously.

Daddy Yankee's big hit is "Gasolina", which likens sex to pumping gasoline. Which gives new meaning to McCain's cries of "Drill here! Drill Now!" LOL! 
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 25, 2008, 03:14:44 PM
OTOH, Andrew Tobias just laid down the law in his DNC speech!  Yay for out gay men!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 25, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
OTOH, Andrew Tobias just laid down the law in his DNC speech!  Yay for out gay men!

Dish, please! Some of us are still at work on the West coast.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 26, 2008, 08:55:54 AM
OTOH, Andrew Tobias just laid down the law in his DNC speech!  Yay for out gay men!

Dish, please! Some of us are still at work on the West coast.
Here's the text:
http://fe22.news.sp1.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080825/pl_usnw/remarks_as_prepared_for_delivery_by_andrew_tobias__democratic_party_treasurer

Quote
As an investor, I yearn for a president who looks to financial heroes, not corporate lobbyists, for economic advice. As a gay man, I yearn for a president who believes in equal rights for all Americans. But most of all, as an American, I yearn for a president that the world can root for and be inspired by. Because having much of the world on our side again would not only be good for our national security, it would be good for business. Vote Obama, my fellow Democrats. Because, boy, do we ever need a change.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 26, 2008, 08:56:54 AM
And the vile Jerome Corsi is heading to the DNC tomorrow to discuss his equally vile Obama Nation book.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 26, 2008, 09:00:31 AM
And the vile Jerome Corsi is heading to the DNC tomorrow to discuss his equally vile Obama Nation book.  Should be interesting.

well, ya go where the press is. Hope The 'BCO morning guy has the sense to ask tough questions (like: " uh, you also wrote a book saying McCain's linked to the Mafia -- WTF?") but I doubt it.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 26, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
Hey Princess, let's write a convention theme!  Cue the Intruders:

"I'll always love Obama, he's locked up my vote (you only get one, you only get one) ..."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 07:47:15 AM
and here (according to NBC Fox and CNN) is yer McCain McRunningMate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on August 29, 2008, 08:03:07 AM
and here (according to NBC Fox and CNN) is yer McCain McRunningMate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Won't that piss off Mitt Romney!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 08:04:35 AM
and here (according to NBC Fox and CNN) is yer McCain McRunningMate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Won't that piss off Mitt Romney!

It's quite the monkey wrench, actually: picking a woman in hopes of attracting the disgruntled Hilary-ites. But she's a woman with less experience than Obama. er...
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 08:53:44 AM
I did a blog post/YouTube playlist in response to last night's electrifying speech:

http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 08:58:38 AM
I did a blog post/YouTube playlist in response to last night's electrifying speech:

http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/

actually, the Pointers were at John Edwards' house doing "Betcha Got a Chick on the Side" ;)

But seriously, your blog has become a must-read, and one of the highlights of my day.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 09:02:29 AM
I did a blog post/YouTube playlist in response to last night's electrifying speech:

http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/

actually, the Pointers were at John Edwards' house doing "Betcha Got a Chick on the Side" ;)

But seriously, your blog has become a must-read, and one of the highlights of my day.
Thanks, Mike!  That really means a lot to me.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on August 29, 2008, 09:11:27 AM
I did a blog post/YouTube playlist in response to last night's electrifying speech:

http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/

actually, the Pointers were at John Edwards' house doing "Betcha Got a Chick on the Side" ;)

But seriously, your blog has become a must-read, and one of the highlights of my day.
Thanks, Mike!  That really means a lot to me.

I enjoy it as well.  But you owe me a hundred bucks ("I Put a Spell on You").   ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 09:17:14 AM
I did a blog post/YouTube playlist in response to last night's electrifying speech:

http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/

actually, the Pointers were at John Edwards' house doing "Betcha Got a Chick on the Side" ;)

But seriously, your blog has become a must-read, and one of the highlights of my day.
Thanks, Mike!  That really means a lot to me.

I enjoy it as well.  But you owe me a hundred bucks ("I Put a Spell on You").   ;)
Haha, busted!  I'm impressed that you know his cover of that.  :)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 09:48:31 AM
My first thought when I saw Palin was "she looks like Tina Fey doing a wacky character". I'm not alone, apparently:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/palin_kick-arou.php
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on August 29, 2008, 10:05:38 AM
My first thought when I saw Palin was "she looks like Tina Fey doing a wacky character". I'm not alone, apparently:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/palin_kick-arou.php

Must. Resist. Sexy. Librarian. Fantasy.

mmmmm, Tina Fey.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on August 29, 2008, 10:52:37 AM
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Which has obviously got some paleo-Republicans in a tizzy. Yes, she’s on many McCain veep shortlists, yes she’s a charming, affable, and talented politician, and yes she looks sweet and innocent, like a perky librarian (are there perky librarians?), but Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin has a dark side colder than the icy tundra which she oversees.

Sarah Palin wants to kill polar bears.

http://nearearth.wordpress.com/tag/climate-change/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 11:10:18 AM
Palin is also a Creationist, I'm just now learning, which will make for some fun debates.

This is great news for Democrats.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 11:12:48 AM
Palin is also a Creationist, I'm just now learning, which will make for some fun debates.

This is great news for Democrats.

Is it? She has the potential to fire up the Fundies in a way McSame could not have done otherwise. Be careful what you wish for, etc.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on August 29, 2008, 11:19:31 AM
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Which has obviously got some paleo-Republicans in a tizzy. Yes, she’s on many McCain veep shortlists, yes she’s a charming, affable, and talented politician, and yes she looks sweet and innocent, like a perky librarian (are there perky librarians?), but Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin has a dark side colder than the icy tundra which she oversees.

Sarah Palin wants to kill polar bears.

http://nearearth.wordpress.com/tag/climate-change/

She was also accused of firing the commissioner of the Alaska Department of Public Safety because he refused to fire her ex-brother in law. So it sure sounds like she comes with her own set of rather sizable baggage here.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/469135.html

I'd love it if this turned into an Eagleton sort of gaffe for McCain and the Repubs.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 11:21:56 AM
Palin is also a Creationist, I'm just now learning, which will make for some fun debates.

This is great news for Democrats.

Is it? She has the potential to fire up the Fundies in a way McSame could not have done otherwise. Be careful what you wish for, etc.
But don't a lot of those Fundies also insist that women shouldn't be in positions of power over men?  Promise-Keeper-esque "submit to your husband" mentality?  I'd be curious to know what % of America believes a woman should not be President (a realistic hypothetical, given that McCain's 72 with recurrent skin cancer).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
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Which has obviously got some paleo-Republicans in a tizzy. Yes, she’s on many McCain veep shortlists, yes she’s a charming, affable, and talented politician, and yes she looks sweet and innocent, like a perky librarian (are there perky librarians?), but Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin has a dark side colder than the icy tundra which she oversees.

Sarah Palin wants to kill polar bears.

http://nearearth.wordpress.com/tag/climate-change/

She was also accused of firing the commissioner of the Alaska Department of Public Safety because he refused to fire her ex-brother in law. So it sure sounds like she comes with her own set of rather sizable baggage here.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/469135.html

I'd love it if this turned into an Eagleton sort of gaffe for McCain and the Repubs.

actually, someone elsewhere has already suggested she's a Harriet Miers-style straw-person (she'll withdraw in a couple weeks and he'll pick Huckabee or somesuch). The ex-brother-in-law apparently threatened to kill her and the kids -- classic trailer-trash stuff that Americans will eat up with a spoon.

the top-of-the-hour UK news on CG headlined it as "a former beauty queen who eats moose-burgers and is married to an Eskimo..."  LOL!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 12:19:44 PM
My first thought when I saw Palin was "she looks like Tina Fey doing a wacky character". I'm not alone, apparently:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/palin_kick-arou.php

and Tim Goodman chimes in:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=24&entry_id=29640
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on August 29, 2008, 02:37:48 PM
Separated at birth...

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/video/070730/tina_fey2.jpg)(http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sarah-palin-1.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on August 29, 2008, 05:26:20 PM
One of the things I love about Facebook is seeing at a glance, based on people's "status" updates, what issues are of interest among my various social circles (the music geeks, the work colleagues, the college buddies, the musicians, the hookups, the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads).  Here are some contacts' reactions to today's news:

XXX is amazed at how Palin has immediately energized the GOP.
XXX is feeling sorry for polar bears...thanks Palin!
XXX thinks Sarah Palin kinda looks like Tina Fay.
XXX desperately wanted sarah palin's up-do for homecoming dance, 1993.
XXX has no time for creationist gun-nuts, no matter what their gender.
XXX thinks anyone voting GOP in November based on their VP should know: Sarah Palin wants to kill polar bears.
XXX thinks its interesting that McCain chose his running mate via the People You May Know feature on facebook.
XXX thinks the election is going to heat up even more ...
XXX wonders how Ferraro feels about McCain calling his choice of a woman as VP "historic".
XXX wonders: Tina Fey or Maya Rudolph. Who would do the best Sarah Palin impersonation?
XXX is happy to see Palin on the ticket -- it guarantees an historic administration, one way or the other.
XXX welcomes the GOP to 1984 (by which he means Mondale/Ferraro, not Orwell).
XXX is feeling slightly less doomed about the election. (The RNC? Still terrifying.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on August 29, 2008, 05:44:08 PM
(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/9308/palin.jpg)(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/9308/tinafey2.jpg)(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/9308/peggyhill.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on August 29, 2008, 09:28:22 PM
Now I may have to vote for the 'hottest candidate ever'! ;)
(http://patriotroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/palin-5.JPG)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on August 31, 2008, 09:34:28 AM
Separated at birth...

(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/video/070730/tina_fey2.jpg)(http://politicalkudzu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sarah-palin-1.jpg)

genius!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 01, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
Nearly lost in the extensive coverage of Hurricane Gustav (and of the "scaling back" of the Repub convention), was this story: GOP VP nominee Palin announced that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is preggers. Ah, family values...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/01/politics/p091657D38.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 01, 2008, 07:45:18 PM
Nearly lost in the extensive coverage of Hurricane Gustav (and of the "scaling back" of the Repub convention), was this story: GOP VP nominee Palin announced that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is preggers. Ah, family values...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/01/politics/p091657D38.DTL&tsp=1
This is a bigger deal than we're getting, especially given the lingering suspicions that Bristol is actually the daughter's child, not Sarah's.  It's all very convoluted.  But I strongly believe that the end result of all this will be that (a) Palin will resign herself from consideration, citing understandably overwhelming family concerns; and (b) McCain, having found his PUMA trial balloon deflated, will return and resort to a more "traditional" candidate, whoever that may be.

That party's in a clusterfuck right now.  And it's getting what it deserves.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on September 01, 2008, 07:58:29 PM
Nearly lost in the extensive coverage of Hurricane Gustav (and of the "scaling back" of the Repub convention), was this story: GOP VP nominee Palin announced that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is preggers. Ah, family values...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/01/politics/p091657D38.DTL&tsp=1
This is a bigger deal than we're getting, especially given the lingering suspicions that Bristol is actually the daughter's child, not Sarah's.  It's all very convoluted.  But I strongly believe that the end result of all this will be that (a) Palin will resign herself from consideration, citing understandably overwhelming family concerns; and (b) McCain, having found his PUMA trial balloon deflated, will return and resort to a more "traditional" candidate, whoever that may be.

That party's in a clusterfuck right now.  And it's getting what it deserves.
right from the git go, it seemed like they didn't vet her very much.  She has an ongoing ivestigation in Alaska, and you'd think a VP needs to be squeakey clean (oh right, Cheney?) before they choose them.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 01, 2008, 11:13:48 PM
Nearly lost in the extensive coverage of Hurricane Gustav (and of the "scaling back" of the Repub convention), was this story: GOP VP nominee Palin announced that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is preggers. Ah, family values...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/01/politics/p091657D38.DTL&tsp=1
This is a bigger deal than we're getting, especially given the lingering suspicions that Bristol is actually the daughter's child, not Sarah's.  It's all very convoluted.  But I strongly believe that the end result of all this will be that (a) Palin will resign herself from consideration, citing understandably overwhelming family concerns; and (b) McCain, having found his PUMA trial balloon deflated, will return and resort to a more "traditional" candidate, whoever that may be.

That party's in a clusterfuck right now.  And it's getting what it deserves.
right from the git go, it seemed like they didn't vet her very much.  She has an ongoing ivestigation in Alaska, and you'd think a VP needs to be squeakey clean (oh right, Cheney?) before they choose them.

See also: Harriet Miers. (Hey, if it worked once...)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 02, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
Nearly lost in the extensive coverage of Hurricane Gustav (and of the "scaling back" of the Repub convention), was this story: GOP VP nominee Palin announced that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is preggers. Ah, family values...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/01/politics/p091657D38.DTL&tsp=1
This is a bigger deal than we're getting, especially given the lingering suspicions that Bristol is actually the daughter's child, not Sarah's. 

OK... let's get real here. I don't like her either, but that's pretty preposterous, no? A very public servant -- a governor -- can pretend to be pregnant for nine months? and hide her pregnant teen daughter?  I realize it's Alaska, but come on.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 02, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
A friend from St. Louis sent this on, from a columnist at the Post-Dispatch:

“Amy Gwin, 43, of University City, grew up in Alaska and competed in the Miss Wasilla, Alaska, competition in 1984 against GOP vice presidential choice Sarah Palin.  Gwin said Friday that she won the Miss Congeniality award in the competition, although Palin’s Wikipedia entry says she (Palin) won the contest—and the Miss Congeniality award.  Gwin was a year behind Palin, now 44, at Wasilla High School, which had about 800 students.  Gwin said Palin was “a high school star in a good way,” a beauty who got good grades and excelled at athletics.  Gwin, who was president of her class, does not recall Palin holding school office.  The Wikipedia entry on Palin said she was head of the school’s Fellowship of Christian Athletes and captain of the basketball team.  Gwin said she was not surprised when Palin became governor of Alaska, but is astonished that she got the GOP nod for vice president.  Asked whether she would support Palin because she knows her, Gwin said:  “I wouldn’t support her if she was my very best friend.  I support Obama and don’t share any of Palin’s politics.  She’s very shallow.”
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 02, 2008, 12:27:58 PM
This is quite hilarious -- all the more so considering it's by Christopher Buckley, son of William F., and hardly a liberal:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/09/01/opinion/20080901_opart.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 03, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
and for those who can't wait for tonite -- heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Bristol's babydaddy:

(http://images.nymag.com/daily/intel/02_levi_lgl.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 03, 2008, 09:35:10 AM
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"he's been a governor for three years. He's been able, but undistinguished. I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th-largest city in America. And, again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it's smaller than Chula Vista, California, Aurora, Colorado, Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona, North Las Vegas, or Henderson, Nevada. It's not a big town. If he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice, where he's said, 'You know what? I'm really not first and foremost concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"

the above quote about VA governor Tim Kaine was uttered a mere 3 weeks ago by... Karl Rove.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 03, 2008, 02:47:52 PM
and for those who can't wait for tonite -- heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Bristol's babydaddy:

(http://images.nymag.com/daily/intel/02_levi_lgl.jpg)

Two of my coworkers were talking about this.  One said that the term used by Alaskans to describe Sarah Palin is 'Caribou Barbie'.  The other said he'd seen young master Levi's MySpace page, and every other word was f*ck.  "All I care about is effing hockey, I don't want no effing kids or effing wife or effing nuthin'" or words to that effect.

I can't wait until the VP candidates' debate.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 03, 2008, 08:26:48 PM
I can't wait until the VP candidates' debate.


Biden's in trouble, based on her speech tonite. She was GOOD. (and I say that as someone who didn't agree with a single f---ing thing she said).

But I wanna get Gaz's reaction to the post-speech musical guests: Gretchen Wilson, John Rich (of Big & Rich) and Cowboy Troy, who cemented his rep as Whitest. Black Guy. Evah.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on September 03, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
I can't wait until the VP candidates' debate.
Biden's in trouble, based on her speech tonite. She was GOOD. (and I say that as someone who didn't agree with a single f---ing thing she said).
Hard to say.  She did well, but was far from convincing.  She delivered the requisite red meat to the true believers, but I wonder how far outside the Republican Reality Distortion Field she will radiate.  I felt like both her and Guiliani were incredibly sneeringly insulting when describing Obama's experience as a community organizer.  The crowd kept chanting "Zero" all night, for Barack's supposed lack of executive experience.  Ugh.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on September 03, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
One-minute animated editorial:
"Fun with John and Sarah" by Mark Fiore, SFGate
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/ (http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 04, 2008, 06:31:07 AM
I felt like both her and Guiliani were incredibly sneeringly insulting when describing Obama's experience as a community organizer. 

This was overwhelmingly what I took away from it.  Well said, Geoff.

Q: How many people of color are here tonight?
Crowd: "Zero, zero, zero!"

Q: Does it concern any of you that no one who's spoken tonight has laid out a concrete plan for fixing our economy apart from "let's put all the money in the hands of rich people and let them be wise with it"?
Crowd: "USA! USA! USA!"

Sigh.

Mike, as for the country artists, they know which side their bread's buttered on and they remember the Dixie Chicks quite well.  But if Rich is the Big & Rich guy with the painstakingly manscaped goatee, he ought be careful about mingling with a party that doesn't like the homosexualists.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 04, 2008, 06:36:44 AM
BTW, here are some of my friends' Facebook updates over the past 18 hours.  (Yes, I have some GOP friends.)

XXX had a good time at the gym running while watching "Parade of Losers" night at the GOP convention.

XXX agrees that you shouldn't use change to promote your career; rather you should use your career to promote change.

XXX believes that the only normal person in Sarah Pallin's family is the baby with Down syndrome.

XXX just watched the the next Attorney Gen. Rudy Giuliani and next VP Sarah Palin, knock it out of the park!

XXX was profoundly moved by, and impressed with, Sarah Palin and cannot wait vote for her.

XXX wants to look into genetic engineering, or maybe replacing his people feet with orangutan feet, so he can give Giuliani FOUR MIDDLE FINGERS.

XXX uh oh. she's good. she sucks, but she's good.

XXX blinded by the white.

XXX is building a bridge to nowhere, and Sarah Palin is on the other side.

XXX thinks if this was a dem who had a pregnant daughter the mother would be pilloried stedda celebrated.

XXX thinks it will be weird referring to Sarah Palin as a GILF instead of a MILF in a few months.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 04, 2008, 07:48:04 AM
as for the country artists, they know which side their bread's buttered on and they remember the Dixie Chicks quite well.  But if Rich is the Big & Rich guy with the painstakingly manscaped goatee, he ought be careful about mingling with a party that doesn't like the homosexualists.

That's him! LOL!

(http://img.gactv.com/GAC/2007/06/15/bigandrich21_johnrich2_v_e.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 04, 2008, 08:06:33 AM
Roland Martin breathes some righteous fire about Palin's idiotic rip on community organizers!  I wish he could do this in his columns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWthR7vdfI
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 04, 2008, 10:22:54 AM
I am trying not to get my hopes up too much, but apparently the AP is actually fact-checking the Repugnicans' speeches. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Andcl.4lLsepM.Ms5rXCuRZh24cA)  Could we really be turning a corner?  Too late for Gore or Kerry, but just maybe...
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 04, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
I am trying not to get my hopes up too much, but apparently the AP is actually fact-checking the Repugnicans' speeches. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Andcl.4lLsepM.Ms5rXCuRZh24cA)  Could we really be turning a corner?  Too late for Gore or Kerry, but just maybe...

I just read that piece--it was also linked from here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/palin-gop-attack-media-a_b_123869.html

There are several other example of good reportage on Palin and the GOP manipulation of reality linked at the bottom of that piece.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on September 04, 2008, 08:13:40 PM
I am trying not to get my hopes up too much, but apparently the AP is actually fact-checking the Repugnicans' speeches. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check;_ylt=Andcl.4lLsepM.Ms5rXCuRZh24cA)  Could we really be turning a corner?  Too late for Gore or Kerry, but just maybe...
I just read that piece--it was also linked from here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/palin-gop-attack-media-a_b_123869.html
There are several other example of good reportage on Palin and the GOP manipulation of reality linked at the bottom of that piece.
It occurs to me that the GOP's incredible slagging of the media, just might lead the media to wake up from its normal role of GOP lapdog, and show a little spine.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 04, 2008, 08:37:17 PM
Roland Martin breathes some righteous fire about Palin's idiotic rip on community organizers!  I wish he could do this in his columns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWthR7vdfI

Yay: He indeed writes a corresponding column:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/martin.community/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Meantime, Geoff's summed up my wishes.  I bitched about Palin and the GOP in today's BIBT entry (http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/2008/09/devendra-banhart-other-woman.html).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 05, 2008, 09:06:08 AM
A letter about Palin from one of her constituents and fellow resident of Wasilla. I was skeptical of its legitimacy at first, but supposedly it's been vetted.

http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 05, 2008, 10:48:28 AM
as for the country artists, they know which side their bread's buttered on and they remember the Dixie Chicks quite well.  But if Rich is the Big & Rich guy with the painstakingly manscaped goatee, he ought be careful about mingling with a party that doesn't like the homosexualists.

That's him! LOL!

(http://img.gactv.com/GAC/2007/06/15/bigandrich21_johnrich2_v_e.jpg)

And that was also him singing that awful "Raising McCain" song after the speech last nite.  I guess "Big" is an Obama supporter, he was conspicuous by his absence, given that Rich, Gretchen Wilson & Cowboy Troy were there.

But meanwhile, I'm rather impressed that Jon BonJovi is doing a big Obama concert, given *his* fanbase.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 05, 2008, 10:53:49 AM
A letter about Palin from one of her constituents and fellow resident of Wasilla. I was skeptical of its legitimacy at first, but supposedly it's been vetted.

http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

That was a good read.  Thanks for finding it.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 05, 2008, 11:40:24 AM
Cindy McCain's convention outfit cost $300,000 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_en_ot/cvn_gop_fashion), according to the latest AP wire.  I keep waiting to reach the tipping point for a backlash from the nation's less than affluent, between this & her husband saying he doesn't even know how many properties he owns.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 05, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
Cindy McCain's convention outfit cost $300,000 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_en_ot/cvn_gop_fashion), according to the latest AP wire.  I keep waiting to reach the tipping point for a backlash from the nation's less than affluent, between this & her husband saying he doesn't even know how many properties he owns.

That'll play well with the common man, err, woman.  Even if their estimates are off by 50 percent, that is just obscene.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 05, 2008, 12:24:24 PM

 that is just obscene.


I wasn't too disturbed to see in the same article that the First Lady's outfit was around $4000.  But I mean, how many people are gonna see the price tag on Cindy's oufit and think "WTF!? That cost more than my mortgage!"

(or if you live in the Bay Area "...about half my mortgage!")
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on September 05, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
news item:
Rock group Heart says "Barracuda" use at RNC is fishy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080905/en_nm/heart_palin_dc_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080905/en_nm/heart_palin_dc_1)
(http://media.merchantcircle.com/18759040/Cuda_medium.jpeg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 05, 2008, 08:21:21 PM
news item:
Rock group Heart says "Barracuda" use by RNC is fishy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080905/en_nm/heart_palin_dc_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080905/en_nm/heart_palin_dc_1)


I didn't realize ASCAP license fees gave politicians blanket coverage to use songs in campaigns. But this has happened before, and usually campaigns will stop using songs if asked. (Mellencamp asked some Repub last year to stop using "Our Country", and of course there was the Springsteen/Reagan "Born in the USA" dust-up.)  If Palin keeps using it, the Wilsons should donate the royalties to the Obama campaign.

All of this makes me even more curious about the Dems' use of Brooks & Dunn last week, and whether B&D approved.

ETA, per Rolling Stone:

Quote
If it felt familiar when Brooks & Dunn’s “Only In America” played after Barack Obama’s acceptance speech last night, there was good reason: President George W. Bush used the same song four years ago when he was rallying against Democratic candidate John Kerry. Brooks & Dunn were big supporters of Bush, even playing W’s inauguration party back in 2001. So how does Kix Brooks feel about Obama’s use of the track? He wasn’t angry at Obama for using the song, a la Jackson Browne with John McCain. Instead Brooks said, “Seems ironic that the same song Bush used at the Republican Convention last election would be used by Obama and the Democrats now. Very flattering to know our song crossed parties and potentially inspires all Americans.”

So, they haven't complained, but they're clearly not Obama endorsers either.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 06, 2008, 10:27:20 PM
In case you missed the Daily Show's "John McCain: From Maverick Reformer to Reformed Maverick" Friday nite -- narrated by Ian McShane (a very nice touch)... here it is:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184113&title=john-mccain-reformed-maverick
 
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 07, 2008, 08:03:36 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 08, 2008, 10:30:13 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.

is "miscontextualized" actually a word, or is it like misunderestimate?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 08, 2008, 11:05:12 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.

is "miscontextualized" actually a word, or is it like misunderestimate?
If it isn't a word, it should be, and I'm specifically using it to mean "consciously placed in an incorrect context to make a point."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 08, 2008, 11:06:59 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.

I agree, of course, but the problem is... every time one of these things comes out it fires up the Fundies even more. Which is why McCain/Rove picked her in the first place.  I'm feeling very depressed at the moment.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 08, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.

I agree, of course, but the problem is... every time one of these things comes out it fires up the Fundies even more. Which is why McCain/Rove picked her in the first place.  I'm feeling very depressed at the moment.

I'm not worried about the segment of the population that gets fired up about Palin.  People get excited about Veep candidates during the convention weeks, but they don't actually vote for the Veep in November.  She's not stealing votes from Obama, and the fundies aren't going to swing the election.  If anything they will alienate the voters who *will* swing the election.

I can't wait until the debates.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 09, 2008, 07:59:46 AM
Well, this was inevitable: the OTHER Palin for president!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 09, 2008, 10:45:12 AM
Palin's church is helping to stage a "pray away the gay" conversion conference:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080906/ap_on_el_pr/palin_gays

This to me is far more worrisome than the miscontextualized comments of Rev. Wright.

is "miscontextualized" actually a word, or is it like misunderestimate?


If it isn't a word, it should be, and I'm specifically using it to mean "consciously placed in an incorrect context to make a point."

See I would have thought that it would be 'consciously placed in an incorrect removed from a correct context to make a point'.  In particular I think Wrights comments made some sense not only within the narrower context of the whole sermon (text specific) but the broader context (literally subtext) of the Black Church experience.  But probably two sides of the same coin semantically speaking.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 09, 2008, 10:56:49 AM
Well, this was inevitable: the OTHER Palin for president!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos

..because apparently anyone can run the free world these days...so why not?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on September 09, 2008, 11:05:34 AM
Well, this was inevitable: the OTHER Palin for president!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf1y9s73Nos

..because apparently anyone can run the free world these days...so why not?

Amusing, but I'm pretty sure that last clip was Eric Idle.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 11, 2008, 07:54:20 AM
From tghe WSJ, of all places... well-stated analysis:

http://www.wsj.com/article/SB122100226859616967.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today

and just for comparison's sake:

(http://www.innovatingtowin.com/innovating_to_win/images/pig-lipstick.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 11, 2008, 09:06:15 AM
This WSJ piece was remarkable, Mike.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 11, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
This WSJ piece was remarkable, Mike.  Thanks for posting.

No kidding!  I got to send that out to my farm-based relatives in the midwest.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 11, 2008, 09:44:30 AM
This WSJ piece was remarkable, Mike.  Thanks for posting.

No kidding!  I got to send that out to my farm-based relatives in the midwest.

Yep, I just posted it on my Facebook page. Folks need to read that.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 11, 2008, 03:20:26 PM
and Andrew Sullivan weighs in -- not always my favorite person, not by a long shot, but well-stated here:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 11, 2008, 10:33:54 PM
Palin tries to defend qualifications in interview (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview)

Among other things, she says she's qualified on foreign policy because Alaska is next to Russia.  "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 12, 2008, 07:46:22 AM
Palin tries to defend qualifications in interview (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview)

Among other things, she says she's qualified on foreign policy because Alaska is next to Russia.  "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."


Gina Gershon *IS* Sarah Palin!

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 12, 2008, 08:41:44 AM
Palin tries to defend qualifications in interview (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview)

Among other things, she says she's qualified on foreign policy because Alaska is next to Russia.  "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."


Gina Gershon *IS* Sarah Palin!

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff

AWESOME.

Sarah Palin.  If she shoots you in the face, it's because she was aiming for it.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 12, 2008, 08:57:29 AM
McCain's roommates (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ebf425277b) is a little more subtle, but also a classic.  Be sure to check out Pt 2 as well.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 12, 2008, 09:04:42 AM
McCain's roommates (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ebf425277b) is a little more subtle, but also a classic.  Be sure to check out Pt 2 as well.

Those are great! Very clever.  Thanks!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 13, 2008, 11:42:32 PM
NAILED IT!!!!

Yes, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler opened SNL tonite as Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton.  I'm sure it's on YouTube if you missed it.  Just wonderful.

"I can see Russia from my house!"
Title: )
Post by: mshray on September 15, 2008, 11:38:53 AM
NAILED IT!!!!

Yes, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler opened SNL tonite as Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton.  I'm sure it's on YouTube if you missed it.  Just wonderful.

"I can see Russia from my house!"

Peter asked Tim TV Goodman about that this morning & played the clip.

SNL going into it's 34th(!) season.

Peter also mentioned during his news bit that Obama had broken all previous fund-raising records by gathering $62 Million from 500,000 new (!) donors in August.
Title: Re: )
Post by: RGMike on September 15, 2008, 11:54:16 AM
NAILED IT!!!!

Yes, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler opened SNL tonite as Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton.  I'm sure it's on YouTube if you missed it.  Just wonderful.

"I can see Russia from my house!"

Peter asked Tim TV Goodman about that this morning & played the clip.

SNL going into it's 34th(!) season.

Peter also mentioned during his news bit that Obama had broken all previous fund-raising records by gathering $62 Million from 500,000 new (!) donors in August.


Paul Begala and Bill Maher talked on Maher's show about how they had made out checks to Obama and at the bottom had written "To be used for negative campaign ads ONLY! -- PLEASE!!!" LOL!

on a related note, this funny McCain phone message bit from 23/6:

http://www.236.com/blog/w/michael_weingartner_and_lee_camp/leaked_mccain_voicemail_to_the_8849.php
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 16, 2008, 03:05:02 PM
If Sarah Palin were *your* mother... what would your name be?

http://personal-space.com/script/script.php

(Mine would be "Block")
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on September 16, 2008, 05:59:33 PM
If Sarah Palin were *your* mother... what would your name be?

http://personal-space.com/script/script.php

(Mine would be "Block")
mine's "Stick" -- middle name "Freedom"

(chest bump!)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on September 16, 2008, 09:40:04 PM
If Sarah Palin were *your* mother... what would your name be?

http://personal-space.com/script/script.php

(Mine would be "Block")
mine's "Stick" -- middle name "Freedom"

(chest bump!)

Snooker Hinge Palin.

Works for me.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 17, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
Heard some GREAT Obama ads slamming McCain on KBCO in the last hour.  We don't hear a lot of ads here in Cali since both parties consider us solidly "blue", but they are running.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 17, 2008, 10:53:20 AM
today's Gallup tracking poll has Obama back ahead, albeit by a nose (47-45), and his electoral vote lead is back up.

According to what I heard yesterday, Palin's bubble may have burst; her negatives went up and her positives went down -- a net loss of 10 points in 3 days.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 17, 2008, 11:29:11 AM
This is so f--ing hilarious my sides hurt. Seriously.

http://www.observer.com/2008/style/black-comic-introduces-mccain
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 17, 2008, 12:27:10 PM
today's Gallup tracking poll has Obama back ahead, albeit by a nose (47-45), and his electoral vote lead is back up.

According to what I heard yesterday, Palin's bubble may have burst; her negatives went up and her positives went down -- a net loss of 10 points in 3 days.

I have heard the line "I can see Russia from my house" repeated in public at least 3 times since Saturday.  And not in a good way.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 17, 2008, 11:06:26 PM
Seattle music crit Michaelangelo Matos explains the link between Katy Perry and Sarah Palin:

http://thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=675052&c=ms&ms

So genius I feel sick to my stomach.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 18, 2008, 07:55:13 AM
Brad Pitt stands up for the gays!

http://www.variety.com/VR1117992373.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 18, 2008, 10:26:43 AM
Seattle music crit Michaelangelo Matos explains the link between Katy Perry and Sarah Palin:

http://thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=675052&c=ms&ms

So genius I feel sick to my stomach.

One commenter on that article has nailed it even more succinctly:
I agree. Katy Perry has totally nailed the assholish behavior and attitude of a drunk straight girl looking for male attention. . 

Substitute Sarah Palin for Katy Perry & it still works.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on September 18, 2008, 10:59:10 AM
this is pretty good, too: from the New Yorker's SHOUTS & MURMURS column:

My Gal (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2008/09/22/080922sh_shouts_saunders?currentPage=all) by George Saunders
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on September 18, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
Palin's Calif visit cancelled:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=30444&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=30444&tsp=1)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 18, 2008, 12:42:59 PM
Palin's Calif visit cancelled:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=30444&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=30444&tsp=1)

I'm blue (as in Dem) but not blue (as in sad).

Hannity asked her what she thought of the Tina Fey sketch, and per Politico.com "Palin called it 'hilarious' but added that she watched it with the volume down, thereby not actually hearing any of the jokes."  Wha??
Title: Re: Political joke
Post by: ggould on September 18, 2008, 05:36:24 PM
How many Bush administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None.  There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day.  Any report of its lack of incandescence is a delusional spin by the liberal media.  That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say about its going out undermines the lighting effort.  Why do you hate freedom?
Title: Re: Political joke
Post by: mshray on September 19, 2008, 10:58:28 AM
How many Bush administration officials does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None.  There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day.  Any report of its lack of incandescence is a delusional spin by the liberal media.  That light bulb has served honorably, and anything you say about its going out undermines the lighting effect.  Why do you hate freedom?

AWESOME!!!!

I would change lighting 'effect' to lighting 'effort', but still...

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 19, 2008, 03:28:17 PM
Steven Seagal doesn't know who Sarah Palin is!

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/09/19/steven-seagal-hates-light-loves-energy-drink-and-has-no-idea-who-sarah-palin-is/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 22, 2008, 02:30:34 PM
This isn't real, but wouldn't it be great if it were...

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=677548&c=ms&ms
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 22, 2008, 06:46:14 PM
This isn't real, but wouldn't it be great if it were...

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=677548&c=ms&ms

To be fair, McCain has the right to use "Barracuda," as his campaign has paid the licensing fees - it's an important law that works both ways.  But I would have loved it if Ann and Nancy had voiced their objections in precisely this manner; they at the same time have the right to distance themselves and their song from his campaign.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on September 22, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
This isn't real, but wouldn't it be great if it were...

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=677548&c=ms&ms

I enjoyed the Palin piece two columns below.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 23, 2008, 07:48:15 AM
Even George f---ing Will is dumping on McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 23, 2008, 11:32:27 AM
Even George f---ing Will is dumping on McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

I've been reading George F. Will for over 20 yrs (as a regular Newsweek subscriber, that is, not as a fiscally conservative old-school Republican), and that is just a singularly amazing piece from him.  He is now only one tiny nudge away from endorsing Obama.

Has Hell, in fact, frozen over?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 23, 2008, 11:42:50 AM
Even George f---ing Will is dumping on McCain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202583.html

I've been reading George F. Will for over 20 yrs (as a regular Newsweek subscriber, that is, not as a fiscally conservative old-school Republican), and that is just a singularly amazing piece from him.  He is now only one tiny nudge away from endorsing Obama.

Has Hell, in fact, frozen over?

(http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzxa/signs/signhell.jpg)
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Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 24, 2008, 07:47:13 AM
Geoff, that was genius.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on September 24, 2008, 07:50:15 AM
Geoff, that was genius.
it wasn't me.  I was really taken aback at first by the fact that a friend would send me the classic email scam letter.  I had to re-read the sender before I even allowed my eyes to read the all-caps message!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 24, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Takin' it back with Barack, Jack!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJW67YfLWgs&feature=related
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 24, 2008, 12:31:43 PM
John & Barack may be postponing Friday's debate:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/24/politics/p115829D17.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 25, 2008, 10:28:01 AM
Urth wrote in the KFOG 1991 thread:

Quote
He's not the only one. McCain bailed on Letterman, and I guess Dave's pissed.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/25/politics/p063309D05.DTL&tsp=1

That clip is worth watching on YouTube just to hear Dave shout to John, "You need a ride to the airport?"  It's the first time Letterman has been important in far too long.

I'll be resentful if McCain succeeds in moving the debate back to the day of the VP debate and cancelling the VP debate altogether.  There are early voters casting their ballots now who cannot possibly know anything of substance about Palin!  Granted, after her disastrous performance with Katie Couric (of all freaking people), I can understand why the GOP wouldn't want to put that naked empress on a stage, but this is damaging to America.

Y'all remember when Jon Stewart went off on Tucker Carlson, letting him know that his brand of newsiness was hurting America?  I want to play that loop on repeat to the message-meisters of the GOP for the next 40 days.  (I'd say all Republicans, but I'm trying to believe there are still some Republicans who vote with the party because they believe in its theoretical small-government stance rather than because they're afraid of poor people, gay people, black people, and brown people impinging on their lilly-white Biblevania.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 25, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
Urth wrote in the KFOG 1991 thread:

Quote
He's not the only one. McCain bailed on Letterman, and I guess Dave's pissed.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/25/politics/p063309D05.DTL&tsp=1

That clip is worth watching on YouTube just to hear Dave shout to John, "You need a ride to the airport?"  It's the first time Letterman has been important in far too long.

I'll be resentful if McCain succeeds in moving the debate back to the day of the VP debate and cancelling the VP debate altogether.  There are early voters casting their ballots now who cannot possibly know anything of substance about Palin!  Granted, after her disastrous performance with Katie Couric (of all freaking people), I can understand why the GOP wouldn't want to put that naked empress on a stage, but this is damaging to America.

Y'all remember when Jon Stewart went off on Tucker Carlson, letting him know that his brand of newsiness was hurting America?  I want to play that loop on repeat to the message-meisters of the GOP for the next 40 days.  (I'd say all Republicans, but I'm trying to believe there are still some Republicans who vote with the party because they believe in its theoretical small-government stance rather than because they're afraid of poor people, gay people, black people, and brown people impinging on their lilly-white Biblevania.)

Stewart, BTW, has been quite merciless to Palin, bless his Noo Yawk Jewish heart.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 25, 2008, 01:34:47 PM
Why so serious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1X6RQLZtoA
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 26, 2008, 08:48:16 AM
FWIW, the dabate is on:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/26/politics/p084135D35.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on September 29, 2008, 08:20:38 AM
in case you missed the latest Tina Fey-as-Sarah Palin on SNL:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on September 29, 2008, 09:05:03 AM
Big uproar in Portland because the Oregonian, our local paper, accepted a highly inflammatory anti-Muslim DVD to be distributed in its Sunday edition yesterday. The DVD, called "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" was sponsored by an Israeli-funded right-wing nonprofit called the Clarion Group.
 
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-na-muslimvideo28-2008sep28,0,7890909.story

There's a demonstration planned for 10am today outside the Oregonian's offices, and huge outcry for people to cancel their subscriptions in protest. I am considering joining them, at least for a time. The thought of not getting the local paper during an election season is killing me.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on September 29, 2008, 10:00:17 AM
There's a demonstration planned for 10am today outside the Oregonian's offices, and huge outcry for people to cancel their subscriptions in protest. I am considering joining them, at least for a time. The thought of not getting the local paper during an election season is killing me.

The Internet has mostly obviated the need for getting a local paper.  Cancel the sub, continue to read their website if you like their coverage of things otherwise.  They've declared that it's money that matters, so make your voice heard with your money.

Just my, um, two cents.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on September 29, 2008, 10:12:02 AM
Sarah Palin's Beauty Pageant Swimsuit Competition (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_129667.html)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on September 29, 2008, 03:45:11 PM
Sarah Palin's Beauty Pageant Swimsuit Competition (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_129667.html)

(hmm, nice butt.  I may vote for her and McCain.) 

hey, did I type that our loud?!???   

Notice she turns to the right when she does the 360?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 01, 2008, 10:54:00 AM
BJ and the Boss -- no, it's not a bad sitcom, it's Billy and Bruce teaming up for Obama:

http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSTRE49008M20081001
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 02, 2008, 12:11:53 AM
So I'm in Chicago for a trade show & got to watch a lot of TV tonight, including Olberman's Countdown & Matthews' Hardball.

Seems like Palin screwed the pooch in part II of her Katie Couric interview, a number of right-wingers are now calling for her to get off the ticket, McCain couldn't find his way off stage in Missouri, and to top it all off - Bill O'Reilly compared Nancy Pelosi to Hitler.

What a great day!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 02, 2008, 07:16:43 AM

Seems like Palin screwed the pooch in part II of her Katie Couric interview

"screwed the pooch"? what's that? i can't figure it out unless "pooch" replaces "pup" which sounds like "up". i can figure out what "screwed" replaces.

or maybe i'm far away from the canvas bag.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 02, 2008, 07:43:43 AM

Seems like Palin screwed the pooch in part II of her Katie Couric interview

"screwed the pooch"? what's that?

at least she didn't "shoot the cat" ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 02, 2008, 12:37:27 PM
It's the feel-good movie of the year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRTXJSyTjo
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on October 02, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
Jews for Obama--The Great Schlep

http://vimeo.com/1808434

Not clean, use caution if at work
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 03, 2008, 11:01:36 AM
House approves the bailout:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/02/national/w043447D16.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 03, 2008, 12:27:12 PM
From The Onion:

Quote
Despite insisting several times during the first presidential debate that he had never won the U.S. Senate Miss Congeniality award due to his maverick, no-holds-barred legislating style, John McCain was recently revealed to have twice secured the much-coveted congressional superlative during his four terms in office. "This just proves that Sen. McCain is not only willing to lie to the American people, but that he is also perky, helpful, and exceedingly amiable around the Senate," said MSNBC political analyst Keith Olbermann of the documents that have recently come to light, including copies of both award certificates as well as photos of McCain handing out freshly baked cupcakes to the Senate Subcommittee on Appropriations. "American voters feel duped. This allegation runs completely counter to the gruff and unpredictable rebel persona that McCain has carefully cultivated." According to a statement released by the McCain campaign, the senator deeply regrets misleading the American public in regard to his bubbly personality, but remains proud of his seven consecutive U.S. Senate "Best In Swimsuit" wins.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 03, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
Paul Krugman in today's NYT:

"Unbelievable. Sarah Palin finished her closing remarks by quoting Ronald Reagan:

Quote
It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction. We don't pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we're going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children's children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free.

When did he say this? It was on a recording he made for Operation Coffeecup -- a campaign organized by the American Medical Association to block the passage of Medicare. Doctors' wives were supposed to organize coffee klatches for patients, where they would play the Reagan recording, which declared that Medicare would lead us to totalitarianism.

You couldn't make this stuff up."

Meanwhile Conan O'Brien's line of the week: "Sarah Palin thinks the Supreme Court is a regular Court with extra cheese"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 04, 2008, 01:15:57 AM
I'm waiting with bated breath for the release of the new album by "Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-Il and the Castro Brothers"! Out on DefJam Records in November!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 04, 2008, 08:02:39 AM
I'm waiting with bated breath for the release of the new album by "Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong-Il and the Castro Brothers"! Out on DefJam Records in November!

"The Castro Brothers" would be a great name for a queercore band.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 05, 2008, 10:39:21 AM
Great song I heard on KPIG this morning, not new, apparently, but NTM: Tom Russell's "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall?" Sample lyric:

We've got fundamentalist muslims
We've got fundamentalist jews
We've got fundamentalist Christians
That'll blow the whole thing up for you

But as I travel around this big ol' world
There's one thing that I most fear
It's a white man in a golf shirt
With a cell phone in his ear
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on October 05, 2008, 03:17:47 PM
Great song I heard on KPIG this morning, not new, apparently, but NTM: Tom Russell's "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall?" Sample lyric:

We've got fundamentalist muslims
We've got fundamentalist jews
We've got fundamentalist Christians
That'll blow the whole thing up for you

But as I travel around this big ol' world
There's one thing that I most fear
It's a white man in a golf shirt
With a cell phone in his ear

yes, I've heard it too.  KPIG has become so important to me.  One of the DJ's was emceeing the Rooster Stage yesterday, and I heard Desert Rose Band thank KPIG as well.
Title: choo choo!
Post by: ggould on October 05, 2008, 03:18:39 PM
(http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/electiontrains.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 05, 2008, 11:45:36 PM
Literal LOL!!!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 06, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Too early to rest easy, but things may be looking up, in one way: CNN poll says Obama's lead has doubled, from 4 to 8 points.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/06/poll.of.polls/index.html

And Bush's approval rating now ties Nixon's pre-resignation rating as the lowest ever: 24 percent.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 06, 2008, 09:10:40 PM
Too early to rest easy, but things may be looking up, in one way: CNN poll says Obama's lead has doubled, from 4 to 8 points.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/06/poll.of.polls/index.html


All the polls have been trending in O's direction the last couple of weeks.  I'm still on pins & needles, but it's worth remembering that what counts is the Electoral map; that's looking better also and it's what his strategy is based on, not national tracking polls.  McCain's looking bad in battleground states where he needs to look good, like VA and PA.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on October 06, 2008, 09:50:20 PM
I have to say that I hate both political parties and wish there were a third legitimate party but even though I hate Joe Biden with a passion (he's part of the good ol boys network), I'm voting Obama. It's because of the past 6 years (I didn't have a problem with dubya in the first two years) of Bush that has me voting for Obama. McBush er McCain is the same. I liked McCain in 2000 but I hate him now. I'm a moderate now (but probably would be to the right of every single one of you guys/gals because all of you are pretty liberal).

Obama is leading Florida last time I looked by 4%, 9% in PA, 4/8% in VA, 3.5% in Ohio. If MCain loses Florida, Obama wins the election.

BTW, you folks see the article this past weekend about Karl Rove?? He said if the election were to happen right now, he said Obama wins. Oh and if you vote absentee ballot, you'll be getting it pretty soon. Some cities you could vote right now.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 07, 2008, 12:24:29 AM
Oh and if you vote absentee ballot, you'll be getting it pretty soon. Some cities you could vote right now.

Oregon is the only state with all-mail voting. No polling places, all ballots are sent by mail (we should be getting them any day now) and you can mail them back from anywhere in the state, or drop them in special drop boxes in almost any town.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 07, 2008, 07:34:49 AM
Oh and if you vote absentee ballot, you'll be getting it pretty soon. Some cities you could vote right now.

Oregon is the only state with all-mail voting.

However, parts of the Castro have all-male voting.  ;)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 07, 2008, 01:55:40 PM
Interesting piece on politico.com about Obama's intense use of radio -- we just discussed the political ads on KBCO last week, and lo & behold:

Quote
In Boulder, Colo., the radio onslaught proved forceful enough that Bret Saunders, who hosts the morning show at the adult rock station KBCO, spent some time on the air last week addressing a novel theme: some listeners’ irritation at a barrage of radio ads, some harshly negative, from Barack Obama.

“There was a perception with some listeners that they’re hearing a lot of Obama ads on KBCO because KBCO is in the tank for Obama,” he said after the show. “I told them that we have a legal obligation to sell political advertising to whoever wants to buy it.”

That morning, Obama’s campaign was attacking John McCain for spending taxpayer money in Iraq. But the radio assault began during the Republican National Convention, when McCain’s poll numbers among women shot up with the choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. Obama launched a hard-edged attack on McCain’s position on abortion.

“John McCain’s out of touch with women today,” says the ad’s narrator, a nurse. “McCain wants to take away our right to choose. That’s what women need to understand. That’s how high the stakes are.” McCain’s camp and the Republican National Committee replied in kind with an ad on a related theme. McCain supports “stem cell research to help free families from the fear and devastation of illness,” says the ad’s female narrator.

Obama again responded.

“Stem cell research could unlock cures for diabetes, cancer and Alzheimer’s, too. But John McCain has stood in the way. ... He’s opposed stem cell research,” says the narrator of the ad, which was widely criticized as misleading, as McCain has not backed away from his recent support for the practice, though he opposed it a decade earlier.

McCain “picked a running mate who’s against it. ... And he’s running on a platform even more extreme than George Bush’s on this vital research,” Obama’s ad continues

There's more, describing other Obama ads, but you get the idea. I thought the 'BCO mention was interesting.  It's also intersting what people perceive as "negative" -- I mean, McCain *IS* pledged to overturn Roe v. Wade; running an ad that says so is pretty straight-ahead campaigning as far as I can see.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 09, 2008, 01:02:55 PM
Is John McCain against... breasts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFI_194GXU
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 09, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Is John McCain against... breasts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFI_194GXU

Did you notice the credit at the end to the "American Titty Committee"?
Title: I'm anxious
Post by: ggould on October 10, 2008, 09:54:10 AM
I have to share with you that I fear for Obama.  McCain and Palin are shamelessly whipping their audiences into a froth with hatred, and the Secret Service had better be vigilant.  I can't take another martyr right now.
Title: Re: I'm anxious
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 09:58:50 AM
I have to share with you that I fear for Obama.  McCain and Palin are shamelessly whipping their audiences into a froth with hatred, and the Secret Service had better be vigilant.  I can't take another martyr right now.

I think we're all thinking the same thing. These people at their rallies who really hate him/think he's a Muslim/think he's a "terrorist" -- I mean, seriously, WTF?
Title: Re: I'm anxious
Post by: Gazoo on October 10, 2008, 10:16:39 AM
I have to share with you that I fear for Obama.  McCain and Palin are shamelessly whipping their audiences into a froth with hatred, and the Secret Service had better be vigilant.  I can't take another martyr right now.

I've been fearing the same thing all week.  Serious question: If the horrible happened and Obama were assassinated before Nov. 4, would Joe Biden automatically become the presidential nominee, or would the Democratic party need to re-convene and re-select?
Title: Re: I'm anxious
Post by: urth on October 10, 2008, 10:35:52 AM
I have to share with you that I fear for Obama.  McCain and Palin are shamelessly whipping their audiences into a froth with hatred, and the Secret Service had better be vigilant.  I can't take another martyr right now.

I think we're all thinking the same thing. These people at their rallies who really hate him/think he's a Muslim/think he's a "terrorist" -- I mean, seriously, WTF?

Indeed, I've had that thought as well. These are desperate times we're living in right now, and I shudder to think how many racist sociopaths might be out there who would do anything not to have "one of them" as their president. It would just take one.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 11:13:50 AM
In other news: Connecticut State Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hcu-gaymarriage-1010,0,7812756.story
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 10, 2008, 11:15:59 AM
By Frank Schaeffer
October 10, 2008

John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.

Shame!

John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.

You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.

John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.

Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.

John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.

Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.

We will hold you responsible.

Frank Schaeffer is the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back." His e-mail is frankaschaeffer@aol.com.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 10, 2008, 11:23:37 AM
More on the McCain-Palin mob:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/obama-called-traitor-agai_n_133613.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 12:25:16 PM
Christopher Buckley (son of William F) endorses Obama:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 10, 2008, 12:27:58 PM
McCain - Contras:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20081007/mccain-iran-contra/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 10, 2008, 01:15:10 PM
"Hall & Oates" comment on Obama-McCain on SNL (03:30):
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-part-3/742101/ (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-part-3/742101/)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 01:16:58 PM
Did you catch "Hall & Oates" on SNL comment on Obama-McCain?:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-part-3/742101/ (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-part-3/742101/)

That was quite funny, indeed the whole half-hour last nite was several notches above your typical SNL 90-minute slog.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 01:24:47 PM
and it gets worse, seemingly, by the hour: The McCain camp defends the yahoos who scream "Traitor!" and "Kill him!" etc:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/10/1529529.aspx
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 02:30:06 PM
Palin is supposed to drop the puck at tomorrow nite's Flyers home opener -- knowing how prone to booing Philly fans are, this could be interesting...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14462.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 10, 2008, 04:22:02 PM
and it gets worse, seemingly, by the hour: The McCain camp defends the yahoos who scream "Traitor!" and "Kill him!" etc:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/10/1529529.aspx

Did you read the comments?  Every single one was against McCain & his spokesperson Nicole Wallace.  And all were 'apparently' coming form places like Missouri & Texas.  Either a great job by Obama's footsoldiers using the internet, or a clear signal that the GOP is losing the heartland.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 10, 2008, 09:41:21 PM
and it gets worse, seemingly, by the hour: The McCain camp defends the yahoos who scream "Traitor!" and "Kill him!" etc:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/10/1529529.aspx

Did you read the comments?  Every single one was against McCain & his spokesperson Nicole Wallace.  And all were 'apparently' coming form places like Missouri & Texas.  Either a great job by Obama's footsoldiers using the internet, or a clear signal that the GOP is losing the heartland.

Probably a combination of the 2 (it *is* the MSNBC website, after all) but clearly McCain finally got the message, as late today he sternly corrected 2 supporters at one of his town halls -- a guy who said Obama "scares me" and a woman who called Obama "an Arab" (!). Apparently his polling negatives were thru the roof this week.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 11, 2008, 11:49:16 PM
Possibly the best call-em-as-I-see-em political blog I've read this entire election season. This 83-year-old woman from Texas has the stones to come out and call Palin a bitch straight out, while telling McCain he should sit down and shut up. Her post titled "Maverick my ass" alone is priceless.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

(Obviously word has gotten around on this--she's getting huge hits, and comments number in the hundreds.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 12, 2008, 03:41:22 AM
Possibly the best call-em-as-I-see-em political blog I've read this entire election season. This 83-year-old woman from Texas has the stones to come out and call Palin a bitch straight out, while telling McCain he should sit down and shut up. Her post titled "Maverick my ass" alone is priceless.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

(Obviously word has gotten around on this--she's getting huge hits, and comments number in the hundreds.)

I must confess I spent way too much time reading that...but I don't believe *this* Helen Philpot is who she claims to be. I think it's just a scam. No proof, it's just a feeling.

I did find this in the process, though:
http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/2008/09/18/i-want-to-steam-up-those-glasses.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on October 12, 2008, 08:44:15 PM
Possibly the best call-em-as-I-see-em political blog I've read this entire election season. This 83-year-old woman from Texas has the stones to come out and call Palin a bitch straight out, while telling McCain he should sit down and shut up. Her post titled "Maverick my ass" alone is priceless.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

(Obviously word has gotten around on this--she's getting huge hits, and comments number in the hundreds.)
I must confess I spent way too much time reading that...but I don't believe *this* Helen Philpot is who she claims to be. I think it's just a scam. No proof, it's just a feeling.

I did find this in the process, though:
http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/2008/09/18/i-want-to-steam-up-those-glasses.html
Is this really happening?  Are we really questioning Obama's character?

(http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/wp-content/images/palin.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 13, 2008, 06:33:16 AM
On the http://www.america.gov/ web site, the web portal for the U.S. Department of State, there are only two candidates listed as running for president, even though there are six names on the ballot.

I wrote them about it, using this page
http://usinfo.state.gov/utils/ag_feedback.html?t=americagov#popup

Feel free to edit and send your own message:

Hello,

I was trying to find information on presidential candidates on your site, and following the U.S. Politics-->Elections 2008 map, I was able to click on the "Candidates" tab. I was shocked to discover information is listed for only two of the six candidates running for president. It's a shame that the official government web site refuses to recognize the other four candidates. This is not what I call democracy. Please update the web site to offer fair representation, and stop misleading voters.

Thank you,
Amelia Ray


ETA: Ahmadinejad agrees:
http://morris108.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/npr-with-ahmadinejad-we-do-not-have-confrontations-with-anyone-the-us-administration-interferes-and-we-defend-ourselves/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 13, 2008, 08:29:09 AM
(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/101008/toilet.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 13, 2008, 10:30:19 AM
Possibly the best call-em-as-I-see-em political blog I've read this entire election season. This 83-year-old woman from Texas has the stones to come out and call Palin a bitch straight out, while telling McCain he should sit down and shut up. Her post titled "Maverick my ass" alone is priceless.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

(Obviously word has gotten around on this--she's getting huge hits, and comments number in the hundreds.)
I must confess I spent way too much time reading that...but I don't believe *this* Helen Philpot is who she claims to be. I think it's just a scam. No proof, it's just a feeling.

I did find this in the process, though:
http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/2008/09/18/i-want-to-steam-up-those-glasses.html
Is this really happening?  Are we really questioning Obama's character?

(http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/wp-content/images/palin.jpg)


I'm curious how old that picture is. 10 years? Less? Any guesses?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on October 14, 2008, 11:06:05 AM
I have been fighting the visceral urge to remove McCain/Palin signs from their staked positions. I have seen too many of them in my beloved city. I'm scared.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 14, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
I have been fighting the visceral urge to remove McCain/Palin signs from their staked positions. I have seen too many of them in my beloved city. I'm scared.

where are you seeing them?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on October 14, 2008, 11:19:38 AM
I have been fighting the visceral urge to remove McCain/Palin signs from their staked positions. I have seen too many of them in my beloved city. I'm scared.

where are you seeing them?
Mostly staked in front yards and some in/on cars.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 14, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
Christopher Buckley (son of William F) endorses Obama:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama/

Buckley, as a result of his Obama endorsement, has just resigned from The National Review -- the magazine his father founded. And neocon Christopher Hitchens (one of the big early supporters of the Iraq war) just endored O:

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 14, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
I have been fighting the visceral urge to remove McCain/Palin signs from their staked positions. I have seen too many of them in my beloved city. I'm scared.

where are you seeing them?
Mostly staked in front yards and some in/on cars.

TANC, this was on SFGate today -- find out who in your ZIP code is supporting whom:

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/contributions/

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on October 14, 2008, 03:16:53 PM
Possibly the best call-em-as-I-see-em political blog I've read this entire election season. This 83-year-old woman from Texas has the stones to come out and call Palin a bitch straight out, while telling McCain he should sit down and shut up. Her post titled "Maverick my ass" alone is priceless.

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/

(Obviously word has gotten around on this--she's getting huge hits, and comments number in the hundreds.)
I must confess I spent way too much time reading that...but I don't believe *this* Helen Philpot is who she claims to be. I think it's just a scam. No proof, it's just a feeling.

I did find this in the process, though:
http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/2008/09/18/i-want-to-steam-up-those-glasses.html
Is this really happening?  Are we really questioning Obama's character?

(http://www.margaretcho.com/blog/wp-content/images/palin.jpg)


I'm curious how old that picture is. 10 years? Less? Any guesses?

Looks like a fairly recent photoshop job to me.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 14, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
John Cleese checks in on that other Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMyNk8J1c8g
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 15, 2008, 01:55:12 AM
I have been fighting the visceral urge to remove McCain/Palin signs from their staked positions. I have seen too many of them in my beloved city. I'm scared.

where are you seeing them?
Mostly staked in front yards and some in/on cars.

TANC, this was on SFGate today -- find out who in your ZIP code is supporting whom:

http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/contributions/



Like that's anyone else's business! One more reason to remain anonymous...
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 15, 2008, 09:05:36 AM
Enjoy "Bad Reporter" comic on the election:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/15/DDASMUSSENBR.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/15/DDASMUSSENBR.DTL)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 15, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
this is interactive and will be updated daily, I'm told:

http://www.palinaspresident.com/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 16, 2008, 09:31:54 AM
(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/101008/nope.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 16, 2008, 11:15:12 AM
This just in: McCain's pal Joe the Plumber? He's not a licensed plumber and he doesn't make $250K:
http://tinyurl.com/4245v7

Not only that, he's not registered to vote:
http://tinyurl.com/4hoe4m
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 16, 2008, 11:26:02 AM
This just in: McCain's pal Joe the Plumber? He's not a licensed plumber and he doesn't make $250K:
http://tinyurl.com/4245v7

Not only that, he's not registered to vote:
http://tinyurl.com/4hoe4m

there's also a report that the plumber, Joe Wurzelbacher, is related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Keating Five fame. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on October 16, 2008, 05:25:26 PM
Five minutes of fame can have devastating results.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 16, 2008, 08:47:00 PM
This just in: McCain's pal Joe the Plumber? He's not a licensed plumber and he doesn't make $250K:
http://tinyurl.com/4245v7

Not only that, he's not registered to vote:
http://tinyurl.com/4hoe4m

there's also a report that the plumber, Joe Wurzelbacher, is related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Keating Five fame. Stay tuned.

Well, turns out he's no relation... but what were the odds that he'd have the same name as someone from a scandal involving McCain? And didn't anyone in his campaign think maybe Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher might not be the best choice for someone to mention 21 times in the debate?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on October 16, 2008, 08:55:29 PM
This just in: McCain's pal Joe the Plumber? He's not a licensed plumber and he doesn't make $250K:
http://tinyurl.com/4245v7

Not only that, he's not registered to vote:
http://tinyurl.com/4hoe4m
there's also a report that the plumber, Joe Wurzelbacher, is related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Keating Five fame. Stay tuned.
Well, turns out he's no relation... but what were the odds that he'd have the same name as someone from a scandal involving McCain? And didn't anyone in his campaign think maybe Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher might not be the best choice for someone to mention 21 times in the debate?
I read a NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html?) on the guy, and he seems like a real throwback.  The very last statement in the article struck me as racist, but it wasn't identified as such.
Quote
In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio’s March primary, said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire “to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.”

He added, “He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 16, 2008, 10:17:26 PM
This just in: McCain's pal Joe the Plumber? He's not a licensed plumber and he doesn't make $250K:
http://tinyurl.com/4245v7

Not only that, he's not registered to vote:
http://tinyurl.com/4hoe4m
there's also a report that the plumber, Joe Wurzelbacher, is related to Robert Wurzelbacher of Keating Five fame. Stay tuned.
Well, turns out he's no relation... but what were the odds that he'd have the same name as someone from a scandal involving McCain? And didn't anyone in his campaign think maybe Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher might not be the best choice for someone to mention 21 times in the debate?
I read a NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html?) on the guy, and he seems like a real throwback.  The very last statement in the article struck me as racist, but it wasn't identified as such.
Quote
In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio’s March primary, said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire “to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.”

He added, “He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”

I'm getting a real Stepin Fetchit vibe from that line too.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Lightnin' Rod on October 17, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
Quote
The very last statement in the article struck me as racist, but it wasn't identified as such.

The quote definitely walks the fine line, and any candidate that would have been lambasted for saying it.  He could have chosen Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, but from the look of the guy, I'd say he's more a rat-packer than a fan of old musical comedies.  But I am glad the Times chose not to editorialize in the article -- report the quote, let the reader decide.

For some reason, whenever I think of Joe the Plumber, I'm reminded of Blazing Saddles:  "Mongo only pawn in game of life."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 17, 2008, 09:37:05 AM
Quote
The very last statement in the article struck me as racist, but it wasn't identified as such.

The quote definitely walks the fine line, and any candidate that would have been lambasted for saying it.  He could have chosen Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, but from the look of the guy, I'd say he's more a rat-packer than a fan of old musical comedies.  But I am glad the Times chose not to editorialize in the article -- report the quote, let the reader decide.

For some reason, whenever I think of Joe the Plumber, I'm reminded of Blazing Saddles:  "Mongo only pawn in game of life."

That's a great analogy!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 17, 2008, 09:39:57 AM
Quote
The very last statement in the article struck me as racist, but it wasn't identified as such.

The quote definitely walks the fine line, and any candidate that would have been lambasted for saying it.  He could have chosen Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly, but from the look of the guy, I'd say he's more a rat-packer than a fan of old musical comedies.  But I am glad the Times chose not to editorialize in the article -- report the quote, let the reader decide.

For some reason, whenever I think of Joe the Plumber, I'm reminded of Blazing Saddles:  "Mongo only pawn in game of life."

That's a great analogy!

(http://content8.flixster.com/photo/98/20/59/9820594_tml.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 17, 2008, 09:53:53 AM
Joe the Plumber and Drew Remenda -- separated at birth?

(http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200810/20081016lkjoe_330.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Drew_Remenda.jpg/225px-Drew_Remenda.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 17, 2008, 11:01:30 AM
The latest in the Joe the Plumber saga:

His name's really Sam:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/16/MNQ013J6JV.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 17, 2008, 12:51:24 PM
The Chron -- no surprise here -- endorses Obama:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/17/EDLP13H6V9.DTL&type=politics
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 17, 2008, 07:48:24 PM
Rep. Michelle Bachmann (MN) accuses Obama - and the 30% of Americans who consider themselves liberal! - of being anti-American:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESdA52S4Dbg

It's taking my every last bit of maturity to not actively wish for her to be publicly punched in the face repeatedly.

Meantime, a San Bernardino GOP club distributes "Obama Bucks": faux food stamps with images of Obama ... and fried chicken and watermelon!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/10/obama-bucks-and.html

Holy shit do I despise what the Republican party has become.  One might call these isolated incidents except that a generation-plus of their politics has created the environment where this kind of idiocy can thrive.  I'm resentful of it.

 >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: ACORN
Post by: ggould on October 17, 2008, 08:09:32 PM
I'm concerned about the increasing rabble-rousing re:ACORN bile the McPalin camp is spewing:

Death threat, vandalism hit ACORN after accusations (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/730941.html)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on October 18, 2008, 12:52:33 AM
If you use this: http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

Obama wins big. Even if you were to say the GOP "steals" Ohio, Florida and North Carolina, Obama wins. The ones with gray means there is no data. Some states would go blue: Hawaii, DC, Maryland and Vermont. The gray that goes red are Idaho and South Dakota.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 18, 2008, 11:24:30 AM
If you use this: http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

Obama wins big. Even if you were to say the GOP "steals" Ohio, Florida and North Carolina, Obama wins. The ones with gray means there is no data. Some states would go blue: Hawaii, DC, Maryland and Vermont. The gray that goes red are Idaho and South Dakota.

Yeah I have been following that dashboard for a while.  Obama sure is unpopular in Utah & Oklahoma.

There are currently 18 states where Obama's ahead by more than 8% in the poll averages this is based on - CA, CT, DE, IA, IL, MA, MI, MN, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OR, PA, RI, VA, WA, WI - and they add up to 253 electoral votes, with 270 being the target.  I don't know if McCain trails by at least 8% in HI, but if it's more than that in all the rest of New England I suspect it's true in VT, and we can throw in Maine where he trails by 7.6%.  Likewise if it's more than that in VA it almost certainly is true in MD.  And for sure it's true in DC, so that makes 273. 

So you can give McCain not only Ohio, Florida and North Carolina, but you can also throw in Missouri, Nevada & even Colorado & it's still not enough.  And he trails in CO by a solid 6%, a state where the Dems have beaten the Reps in 4 straight state-wide elections.

Title: Hey Sarah Palin
Post by: urth on October 18, 2008, 02:08:30 PM
A parody of an otherwise mediocre song, and the performance is kinda meh, but the reworked lyrics are pretty brilliant. Worth the watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 19, 2008, 11:35:43 AM
Colin Powell endorsed Obama today -- I don't have a link, but seek out the clip from "Meet the Press". It's quite an eloquent endorsement and a sound thumping of the Repugs and the campaign they're running.

Oh, and Palin was actually pretty good on SNL. Or at the very least, she was a good sport.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 19, 2008, 10:10:53 PM

Colin Powell endorsed Obama today -- I don't have a link, but seek out the clip from "Meet the Press". It's quite an eloquent endorsement and a sound thumping of the Repugs and the campaign they're running.


Here's an article on the endorsement (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/powell), & you can get to several video clips from here.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on October 19, 2008, 10:26:13 PM

Colin Powell endorsed Obama today -- I don't have a link, but seek out the clip from "Meet the Press". It's quite an eloquent endorsement and a sound thumping of the Repugs and the campaign they're running.


Here's an article on the endorsement (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/powell), & you can get to several video clips from here.
the MSNBC link has a good quality, and supports full-screen views:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27265490#27265490
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 20, 2008, 08:17:33 AM
Quote of the week from a GOP strategist on Bill maher's show the other day:

"Stevie Wonder can read a teleprompter better than John Mccain can"
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 20, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
Senator Stevens is not making Alaskan politicians look very good (AP story):

Prosecutors say Stevens had a history of accepting gifts — including an expensive massage chair from a friend — and omitting them from the financial disclosure forms.

He said he considered that chair a loan.

"And the chair is still at your house?" prosecutor Brenda Morris asked.

"Yes," Stevens said.

"How is that not a gift?"

"He bought that chair as a gift, but I refused it as a gift," Stevens said. "He put it there and said it was my chair. I told him I would not accept it as a gift. We have lots of things in our house that don't belong to us."

Playing to the jury, Morris appeared confused.

"So, if you say it's not a gift, it's not a gift?" she said.

"I refused it as a gift," Stevens replied. "I let him put it in our basement at his request."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 20, 2008, 11:53:39 AM
Oh, and Palin was actually pretty good on SNL. Or at the very least, she was a good sport.
The opening skit of 10/18 SNL, with Tiny Fey, Lorne Michaels, Mark Wahlberg, Alec Baldwin and the real Sarah Palin:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/gov-palin-cold-open/773761/
 (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/gov-palin-cold-open/773761/)
and SNL Weekend Update segment with the real Sarah Palin:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-palin-rap/773781/ (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-palin-rap/773781/)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 20, 2008, 01:26:28 PM
"Hey Rocky! watch me pull Sarah Palin outta my hat!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z48QhMZ85k
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 21, 2008, 07:56:04 AM
Rednecks for Obama! No, seriously:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/20/MNJM13L4F1.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on October 21, 2008, 11:08:36 AM
Took my pup for a spin around the block this morning. Didn't chastise him for stopping in the driveway of a house with a McPalin sign in the yard and leaving a crappy mess. I kind of cleaned it up.  ;)
Title: Re: Hey Sarah Palin
Post by: Gazoo on October 21, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
A parody of an otherwise mediocre song, and the performance is kinda meh, but the reworked lyrics are pretty brilliant. Worth the watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o

This was really a treat.  (Their reworking of "Bubbly," less so.)  Thanks!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on October 21, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
I like Biden -- I really do -- but he should stop giving soundbite material to the McCain campaign:

"And here's the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough - I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur.  .."



ETA: Any president will be "tested," and who's to say McCain wouldn't go for the button first and ask questions later, but this kind of quip could sway a lot of undecided voters who think no deeper than sound bite level.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 21, 2008, 08:39:29 PM
Robo-call of the Week:  I got home tonite to hear a message from Roseanne Barr (!) telling me to dump Pelosi and vote for Cindy Sheehan.

BTW, in the wake of his Obama endorsement, I was astounded to discover that Colin Powell is 71 years old!

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 22, 2008, 01:35:59 AM
I like Biden -- I really do -- but he should stop giving soundbite material to the McCain campaign:

"And here's the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough - I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur.  .."


  • Chicago Sun Times blog (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/joe_biden_seattle_fund_raiser.html) (pretty full transcript)
  • CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/politics/main4535478.shtml)
  • Fox News (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/biden-obama-tested-world-months-administration/)
  • Carla Marinucci SFChron blog (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=31736)

ETA: Any president will be "tested," and who's to say McCain wouldn't go for the button first and ask questions later, but this kind of quip could sway a lot of undecided voters who think no deeper than sound bite level.


Gotta agree with you there.  Although I'm rather boggled as to what's going to convince anyone who's managed to be "undecided" up to now.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on October 22, 2008, 04:48:56 PM
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/rt_mccain_obama_081020_ssh.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on October 23, 2008, 09:24:09 AM
GOP bailing in Colorado (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/colorado_gop_spending_1), and Palin is sinking the boat (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081023/ts_alt_afp/usvoterepublicanpalin) nationally.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 23, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
Goldwater's granddaughter endorses Obama:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 23, 2008, 03:32:33 PM
Politico.com has asked readers to send in stories about "early voting" which is happening in a number of states. This one is really sweet and I was moved by it... so I hope it's true:

Quote
Upon arriving at the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Cincinnati to vote early today I happened upon some friends of my mother's — three small, elderly Jewish women. They were quite upset as they were being refused admitance to the polling location due to their Obama T-Shirts, hats and buttons. Apparently you cannot wear Obama/McCain gear into polling locations here in Ohio.... They were practically on the verge of tears.

After a minute or two of this a huge man (6'5", 300 lbs easy) wearing a Dale Earnhardt jacket and Bengals baseball cap left the voting line, came up to us and introduced himself as Mike. He told us he had overheard our conversation and asked if the ladies would like to borrow his jacket to put over their t-shirts so they could go in and vote. The ladies quickly agreed. As long as I live I will never forget the image of these 80-plus-year-old Jewish ladies walking into the polling location wearing a huge Dale Earnhardt racing jacket that came over their hands and down to their knees!

Mike patiently waited for each woman to cast their vote, accepted their many thanks and then got back in line (I saved him a place while he was helping out the ladies). When Mike got back in line I asked him if he was an Obama supporter. He said that he was not, but that he couldn't stand to see those ladies so upset. I thanked him for being a gentleman in a time of bitter partisanship and wished him well.

After I voted I walked out to the street to find my mother's friends surrouding our new friend Mike — they were laughing and having a great time. I joined them and soon learned that Mike had changed his mind in the polling booth and ended up voting for Obama. When I asked him why he changed his mind at the last minute, he explained that while he was waiting for his jacket he got into a conversation with one of the ladies who had explained how the Jewish community, and she, had worked side by side with the black community during the civil rights movements of the '60s, and that this vote was the culmination of those personal and community efforts so many years ago. That this election for her was more than just a vote ... but a chance at history.

Mike looked at me and said, "Obama's going to win, and I didn't want to tell my grandchildren some day that I had an opportunity to vote for the first black president, but I missed my chance at history and voted for the other guy."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 23, 2008, 07:39:08 PM
Obama endorsement video with Ron Howard as Opie Taylor and Richie Cunningham, along with Sheriff Andy Taylor and the Fonz:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 23, 2008, 07:43:56 PM
Enjoy this 2 min 30 sec video Dance-Off between Obama and McCain, with special guest dance by Sarah Palin, breakin' it down:
http://www.break.com/index/unbelievable-mccain-vs-obama-dance-off.html (http://www.break.com/index/unbelievable-mccain-vs-obama-dance-off.html)
Title: The 11 Dumbest things
Post by: urth on October 24, 2008, 12:02:58 AM
How they were able to pare it down to 11, I don't know, but here they are anyway:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/104034
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 24, 2008, 11:07:48 AM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on October 24, 2008, 11:35:09 AM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 24, 2008, 11:45:49 AM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.


She'll be one of Olbermann's "Worst Persons" tonite, fo sho'!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 24, 2008, 12:07:16 PM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.


She'll be one of Olbermann's "Worst Persons" tonite, fo sho'!

And she thought this would help McCain's cause how?  ::)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on October 24, 2008, 12:18:02 PM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was

backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.


She'll be one of Olbermann's "Worst Persons" tonite, fo sho'!

And she thought this would help McCain's cause how?  ::)

Crazy is non-partisan.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 24, 2008, 10:47:40 PM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.



Great memory!  The self-infliction and inability to grok "mirror image" is my favorite part of this.  (BTW, I'm from the Pittsburgh area, so I get this flavor of crazy.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on October 27, 2008, 05:45:13 AM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.



which led me to find this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 27, 2008, 07:45:42 AM
Remember that McCain supporter the other day who said she was attacked by "a black man" who tried to carve a "B" into her cheek? (B for "Barack"? Why not an "O"?)  Anyway, police are beginning to have doubts...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/23/national/a141614D31.DTL&tsp=1

Pittsburgh Police now say she made it up. (http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html)

Reminiscent of Morton Downey Jr.'s claim that he was attacked in an airport bathroom by someone who carved a swastika onto his face.  In his case, the swastika was backwards, and in the toung woman's case, the letter "B" was backwards, too.



which led me to find this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo


OH SNAP
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 27, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
Amazon.com lists Obama H'ween mask under 'terrorist'.  Scroll in here:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-terrorist.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/obama-terrorist.html)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 27, 2008, 04:02:49 PM
Politically but not necessarily election related:

Ted Stevens, convicted on all 7 counts of  corruption:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/26/national/w053112D92.DTL&tsp=1

But he's swearing he won't resign. Wonder what the GOP brass thinks of that kind of hubris?

Meanwhile, in more disturbing developments, the feds are saying they broke up a plot last week by a couple of skinheads to assassinate Obama and kill 88 blacks across the country:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/27/politics/p132118D83.DTL

Please oh please let this be the only one of these extremist wingnut plans that's being incubated. And failing that, give the feds extra attentiveness to stop any and all of these a**holes. What year is this, anyway?
Title: another polling site
Post by: ggould on October 28, 2008, 06:53:16 PM
a friend turned me on to this.  I'm no expert, but it looks pretty thorough:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 28, 2008, 09:04:51 PM
Sent to me by a friend:

Quote
Dear Red States,

If you manage to steal this election too, we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California. To sum up briefly:
 
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states; We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
 
We get the Statue of Liberty; You get Dollywood.
 
We get Intel and Microsoft; You get WorldCom.
 
We get Harvard; You get Ole' Miss.
 
We get 85% of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs; You get Alabama.
 
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue; You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
 
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22% lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families; You get a bunch of single moms.
 
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines, 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech industry, 95% of the corn and soybeans (thanks Iowa!), most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
 
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92% of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico

Love,
The Blue States
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 29, 2008, 11:26:52 AM
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1885474357
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on October 29, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
this belongs in many categories here (funny stuff on internet, not funny stuff on the internet, let's enjoy youtube while we still can, etc.):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yd2efX9SY

I laughed and cried at the same time.


Title: Barack's Big Show
Post by: ggould on October 29, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
watching on MSNBC now, it's super high quality production values.  Excellent pacing.  Anyone else watching?
Title: Re: Barack's Big Show
Post by: RGMike on October 29, 2008, 09:08:11 PM
watching on MSNBC now, it's super high quality production values.  Excellent pacing.  Anyone else watching?

I caught the replay at 8.  An impressive package.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 30, 2008, 07:59:08 AM
October Surprise? The Alien from the Weekly World News has endorsed McCain:

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/election-08/october-surprise-alien-endorses-mccain/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 30, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Peter Frampton's Obama signs stolen (Do you feel like we do?):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 30, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
Peter Frampton's Obama signs stolen (Do you feel like we do?):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1)

Peter Frampton lives in the "predominantly Republican Cincinatti suburb of Indian Hill"?  WTF?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 30, 2008, 10:16:25 AM
Peter Frampton's Obama signs stolen (Do you feel like we do?):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1)
Peter Frampton lives in the "predominantly Republican Cincinatti suburb of Indian Hill"?  WTF?
Yes, he's been there for years. I recall him saying its centrally located to travel around USA and I believe his wife is from there. Has a huge home recording studio.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on October 30, 2008, 10:32:41 AM
Peter Frampton's Obama signs stolen (Do you feel like we do?):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/10/30/entertainment/e062454D72.DTL&tsp=1)
Peter Frampton lives in the "predominantly Republican Cincinatti suburb of Indian Hill"?  WTF?
Yes, he's been there for years. I recall him saying its centrally located to travel around USA and I believe his wife is from there. Has a huge home recording studio.

That's how John Fogarty ended up in Indianapolis. Wife was from there. There's classic rockers scattered far and wide over this great country of ours, not just in LA and NY. (Someone told me DD's John Taylor lives in one of the Portland suburbs, but that just seems too weird.)

ETA: There's at least one great comment to that story: "Evidently someone doesn't feel like he does."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 30, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
David Sedaris on undecided voters:

Quote
"For as long as I can remember, just as we move into the final weeks of the Presidential campaign the focus shifts to the undecided voters," it begins. "Who are they?" the news anchors ask. 'And how might they determine the outcome of this election?'

"Then you'll see this man or woman -- someone, I always think, who looks very happy to be on TV. 'Well, Charlie,' they say, 'I've gone back and forth on the issues and whatnot, but I just can't seem to make up my mind!' Some insist that there's very little difference between candidate A and candidate B. Others claim that they're with A on defense and health care but are leaning toward B when it comes to the economy.

"I look at these people and can't quite believe that they exist. Are they professional actors? I wonder. Or are they simply laymen who want a lot of attention?

"To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. 'Can I interest you in the chicken?' she asks. 'Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?"

"To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 30, 2008, 12:46:49 PM
Check out this obituary (it's apparently legit) and make sure you read all the way to the last line:

http://www.legacy.com/statesman/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=119335145
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 30, 2008, 08:33:12 PM
Best anti-Prop 8 ad I've seen yet: most of the "No On 8" spots have kinda tip-toed around the notion of same-sex marriage, not wanting to be too in-your-face, I guess, for the moderates.  But I just saw one that invokes Japanese internment camps and the fact that interracial marriages were once illegal. And the voice-over is by Samuel L Jackson! It's impressive.

One-liner of the Day from Colbert:  "If you can predict an election based on lawn signs... Our next president will be Re/Max."
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on October 31, 2008, 01:49:43 AM
Say what you want about Fox News (I was checking their website to compare to a few others regarding the projected electoral votes), but on their website they have a very good election tracker where you will be able to get breakdowns by county.

http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 31, 2008, 07:36:30 AM
Say what you want about Fox News (I was checking their website to compare to a few others regarding the projected electoral votes), but on their website they have a very good election tracker where you will be able to get breakdowns by county.

http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html

while we're at it kudos to FOX's Sheppard "Nobody Knows I'm Gay" Smith -- who interviewd Joe the Plumber yesterday. Mr Plumber was a complete moron (look for the clip on You Tube) and repeated his "a vote for Obama is a vote for Death to Israel" idiocy, and Smith looked like his head was going to explode. Smith then went into a lengthy defense of Obama, shaking his head at the stupidity he'd just witnessed.  Bet Rupert cancels his Xmas bonus.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 31, 2008, 07:58:07 AM
per Bloomberg News:

"The last time many Americans will hear from U.S. presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain before casting their vote will come at halftime of ‘Monday Night Football’ … ESPN's Chris Berman will interview the candidates separately earlier in the day, and the Walt Disney Co. network will air the sessions during halftime of the game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Washington Redskins. The National Football League game in Washington starts at 8:30 pm New York time. Candidates air about 10:15 pm. Eastern. "

In other news, McCain will appear on SNL Sat nite.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on October 31, 2008, 10:40:05 AM
Say what you want about Fox News (I was checking their website to compare to a few others regarding the projected electoral votes), but on their website they have a very good election tracker where you will be able to get breakdowns by county.
http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html
Thanks SFGuy, good intell work, get all perspectives.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 31, 2008, 10:51:38 AM
I'm re-posting this here because I'm utterly dumbfounded by it...

And in the spirit of Halloween -- Ralph Nader has completely lost his mind:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/31/1621521.aspx

I mean, seriously -- WTF??  Nader and Gonzalez expect this to get them votes from WHOM, exactly?  What a couple of putzes.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on October 31, 2008, 11:45:56 AM
I'm re-posting this here because I'm utterly dumbfounded by it...

And in the spirit of Halloween -- Ralph Nader has completely lost his mind:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/31/1621521.aspx

I mean, seriously -- WTF??  Nader and Gonzalez expect this to get them votes from WHOM, exactly?  What a couple of putzes.

First off, I am voting for Obama b/c I want the Dems to get the WH back.  That's my first priority.  But that video and the Nader campaign in general do not bug me at all.  (I think the video is kinda cool, actually, and the Nader campaign apparently has a lot of videos they've produced, not just this one: I just checked their site.)    And I do not blame him for costing Gore the 2000 election (yes, you can prob point to specific voting results and say if these Nader votes had gone to Gore then W would not have been elected), but the idea of a viable third party (or fourth or fifth) is one we need.  Gore didn't even win his "home state" of Tennessee in 2000:  he ran a crappy campaign and didn't fight the Florida recount stuff that happened -- and the GOP took it away. Not Nader's fault. 

Is Nader an insufferable egomaniac?  most likely (Actually, I've heard he's quite an a**h***).  And what's up with his choosing Gonzalez to run as VP?  WTF is that about?  I saw Gonzalez as a Chauncey Gardener type of candidate when he ran for mayor: his actual ideas and legislation were rather light compared to the gravitas attached to him by so many SF voters.  "He's young and hip and liberal compared to that fascist Newsom."  turns out Newsom is pretty liberal as well.  Was that a surprise?

So anyway, a viable third party candidate (or fourth or fifth party candidate, etc) would be a great thing.  They should be invited to the debates, and I'd like to see other folks besides the GOP and Dems in the Legislative branch.  Of course, Obama better win the WH... or more to the point, the GOP better lose.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 31, 2008, 11:56:02 AM
I'm re-posting this here because I'm utterly dumbfounded by it...

And in the spirit of Halloween -- Ralph Nader has completely lost his mind:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/31/1621521.aspx

I mean, seriously -- WTF??  Nader and Gonzalez expect this to get them votes from WHOM, exactly?  What a couple of putzes.

First off, I am voting for Obama b/c I want the Dems to get the WH back.  That's my first priority.  But that video and the Nader campaign in general do not bug me at all.  (I think the video is kinda cool, actually, and the Nader campaign apparently has a lot of videos they've produced, not just this one: I just checked their site.)    And I do not blame him for costing Gore the 2000 election (yes, you can prob point to specific voting results and say if these Nader votes had gone to Gore then W would not have been elected), but the idea of a viable third party (or fourth or fifth) is one we need.  Gore didn't even win his "home state" of Tennessee in 2000:  he ran a crappy campaign and didn't fight the Florida recount stuff that happened -- and the GOP took it away. Not Nader's fault. 

Is Nader an insufferable egomaniac?  most likely (Actually, I've heard he's quite an a**h***).  And what's up with his choosing Gonzalez to run as VP?  WTF is that about?  I saw Gonzalez as a Chauncey Gardener type of candidate when he ran for mayor: his actual ideas and legislation were rather light compared to the gravitas attached to him by so many SF voters.  "He's young and hip and liberal compared to that fascist Newsom."  turns out Newsom is pretty liberal as well.  Was that a surprise?

So anyway, a viable third party candidate (or fourth or fifth party candidate, etc) would be a great thing.  They should be invited to the debates, and I'd like to see other folks besides the GOP and Dems in the Legislative branch.  Of course, Obama better win the WH... or more to the point, the GOP better lose.

Actually, I agree with pretty much everything you said, especially about Gonzalez. Matt was the lefty equivalent of Schwarzenegger when he ran for mayor -- lots of platitudes and nothing concrete. Meanwhile Newsom had a position paper on his website for every conceivable issue. I'm a lifelong lefty but the progressive/bohemian kids in the Mission just drive me up the wall.   
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on October 31, 2008, 01:48:33 PM
Yeah, Gonzalez's involvement in the Nader nonsense more or less crushed my crush on him.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on October 31, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
per Politico.com...

Ken Duberstein, former Republican chief of staff to President Reagan, told MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell today that the pick of Palin has undermined John McCain's credibility.
 
"What most Americans I think realize is that you don't offer a job, let alone the vice presidency, to a person after one job interview," Duberstein said. "Even at McDonalds you're interviewed three times before you're given a job."

Oh, SNAP!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 02, 2008, 09:01:17 AM
The Onion predicted Joe the Plumber in 1993!

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48941
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 02, 2008, 08:16:08 PM
In case you missed it, McCain was actually pretty funny on SNL -- if he'd had those writers all year, he might be ahead in the polls.  But Obama's statement praising McCain is really quite wonderful:

Quote
We can argue and debate our positions passionately, but all of us have to summon the strength and grace -- and the humor -- to bridge our differences and unite us in common effort. John McCain was funny yesterday on Saturday Night Live, but that’s part of what our politics should be about, being able to laugh at each other, but also laugh at ourselves, being able to understand that all of us black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American; Democrat ad Republican, young old, rich and poor, gay, straight, disabled, non disabled – all of us are in this together.

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 03, 2008, 08:01:44 AM
Hey Mark -- I noticed this weekend that the ultra-lefty SF Bay Guardian says NO on Prop 11 -- but Schwarzennegger says vote YES. Does that make you a Republican?  ;)

In other election news, time for a Mormon Athlete Update: former Giant Jeff Kent (a California Mormon who fancies himself a Texas redneck) made a big donation to "YES on 8", but Steve Young and his wife contributed to "NO on 8".
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 03, 2008, 09:16:47 AM
Hey Mark -- I noticed this weekend that the ultra-lefty SF Bay Guardian says NO on Prop 11 -- but Schwarzennegger says vote YES. Does that make you a Republican?  ;)

In other election news, time for a Mormon Athlete Update: former Giant Jeff Kent (a California Mormon who fancies himself a Texas redneck) made a big donation to "YES on 8", but Steve Young and his wife contributed to "NO on 8".

Nothing could make me a Republican, but thanks for asking.   ::)

Out of curiosity, do you have a link to their editorial on the subject?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 03, 2008, 09:49:41 AM
Hey Mark -- I noticed this weekend that the ultra-lefty SF Bay Guardian says NO on Prop 11 -- but Schwarzennegger says vote YES. Does that make you a Republican?  ;)

In other election news, time for a Mormon Athlete Update: former Giant Jeff Kent (a California Mormon who fancies himself a Texas redneck) made a big donation to "YES on 8", but Steve Young and his wife contributed to "NO on 8".

Nothing could make me a Republican, but thanks for asking.   ::)

Out of curiosity, do you have a link to their editorial on the subject?

I haven't seen an explanatory editorial; it was on their laundry-list of endorsements on the front page this week. But a progressive coalition called the Courage Campaign is also against it; a number of progressive groups call it "deeply flawed", FWIW:

http://courage.3cdn.net/73b3356e5b24d2525d_3wm6b3pv0.pdf
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 03, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
The campaign comes to a close, but I saw this ad for the first time tonight -- and it is hands-down the best ad I've seen all season. Just beautiful, and it happens to feature one of my favorite Paul Simon songs. Only 60 seconds, but wow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbuLchsauKs

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 03, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Something to listen to tomorrow as we await results:

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Why listen to the pundits when you can spend election day listening to WFMU's uncensored and totally unprofessional election coverage?! Join us for WFMU's Electile Dysfunction '08, a separate webcast of political music, commentary, comedy, and audio collage, available at wfmu.org from early 'til late on Tuesday, Nov 4. Check out the schedule of DJs and political mayhem.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on November 04, 2008, 01:24:29 AM
Any predictions??

I have Obama getting 338 Electoral votes to McCain's 200 but I have Florida going Obama, which probably will be wrong.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 04, 2008, 01:42:08 AM
Any predictions??

I have Obama getting 338 Electoral votes to McCain's 200 but I have Florida going Obama, which probably will be wrong.

I'll take Obama at 314.  Feeling pessimistic about PA, but optimistic elsewhere.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 07:58:10 AM
Redskins seal McCain's fate?

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In 16 of the 17 presidential elections since the Redskins moved to Washington in 1937, the incumbent party has kept the White House if the team won its last home game before the election while the out-of-power party has taken over if the Redskins lost. (The only exception came four years ago, when the Redskins lost to the Green Bay Packers but President Bush won reelection.)

So how did the Redskins do in its Monday Night Football appearance at FedEx Field here in Landover on Election Eve this year? Crushed, ignominiously, 23-6.

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 09:27:23 AM
Billy Dee Williams for President Emperor!

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a863be2b6f/vote-for-lando-calrissian-w-billy-dee-williams-from-fod-team
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Alicat on November 04, 2008, 09:41:24 AM
I'm proud of my city. Lot's of people are out and about standing on busy streets and near polling places, waving No on 8 signs.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 04, 2008, 09:47:01 AM
I'm proud of my city. Lot's of people are out and about standing on busy streets and near polling places, waving No on 8 signs.
last night I got this creepy robo call from the Yes on 8 crew, using audio of Obama discussing his personal views on marriage as an endorsement of 8.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 04, 2008, 09:48:02 AM
I'm proud of my city. Lot's of people are out and about standing on busy streets and near polling places, waving No on 8 signs.
last night I got this creepy robo call from the Yes on 8 crew, using audio of Obama discussing his personal views on marriage as an endorsement of 8.

Those slimy weasels. This is the one issue I wish I was still in CA to vote against.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 09:53:40 AM
I'm proud of my city. Lot's of people are out and about standing on busy streets and near polling places, waving No on 8 signs.
last night I got this creepy robo call from the Yes on 8 crew, using audio of Obama discussing his personal views on marriage as an endorsement of 8.

Those slimy weasels. This is the one issue I wish I was still in CA to vote against.

indeed -- I got that robocall too. Ick!

In addition to that TV spot I mentioned the other day (the No on 8 one with Samuel L Jackson, which had been running quite a bit the past 4 days), I saw one last nite that was a spoof of the John Hodgman/Justin Long, PC/Mac ads -- a young woman says "I'm the constitution", and this creepy "Yes on 8" guy tries to chat her up, but she rebuffs him. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOtzmPnGTGc
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 04, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
Aside from the presidential election, which I have high hopes for at this point, it would be really great if the Dems could capture a few more seats in the senate (is 60 too many to hope for?)

Heard one scary scenario regarding Ted Stevens in Alaska, however. If he's somehow still able to pull off a win after his conviction on seven felony charges, he resigns after he takes office. As governor, Palin gets to appoint his successor, so she appoints herself.

And that, my friends, scares the crap out of me.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 11:15:33 AM
Aside from the presidential election, which I have high hopes for at this point, it would be really great if the Dems could capture a few more seats in the senate (is 60 too many to hope for?)

Heard one scary scenario regarding Ted Stevens in Alaska, however. If he's somehow still able to pull off a win after his conviction on seven felony charges, he resigns after he takes office. As governor, Palin gets to appoint his successor, so she appoints herself.

And that, my friends, scares the crap out of me.

can she legally appoint herself?  Maybe she'll appoint Todd.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on November 04, 2008, 11:22:53 AM
Regarding Starbucks and Ben&Jerry's Election Day promotions, heard on newsradio this morn that its illegal to provide gifts in exchange for voting.  I believe the law is no gifts in exchange for a specific vote (person or measure), but promoting the general idea of voting is probably okay, but just as in any other contest "no purchase necessary," so 'Bucks and B&J's legally should give coffee, ice cream to anyone that asks today, no proof of voting necessary!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 12:49:58 PM
The Election Night Drinking Game:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/30/WI1R13QI78.DTL
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 04, 2008, 03:00:37 PM
There are lots of voting anecdotes, some of which are deeply moving, posted over on Politco.com (http://www.politico.com/arena/).

Two excerpts:

Tim Schmitz, college professor, SC:
Went to vote at Southside Baptist Church on a cool, clear early morning. Turnout was heavy at 8:30am, and I waited about 90 minutes to touch the screen. When I left the church, one elderly African American woman exclaimed to another: "Oh, happy day! What a joyous and blessed day!" I was struck in a very tangible way by the enormity of what this country is about to do. 

Mark Pepe, Printing Manager, CT:
I voted at 6:45 this morning and found everything went smoothly in our little suburb. As I walked to my car, I found myself behind a 75-ish African-American woman and her son. Almost approaching the parking lot, she stopped and broke down. I overheard her son ask what was wrong. "I NEVER thought I would be able to cast a vote for a black man!" With that, she collected herself (and I myself) and we proceeded to our cars. If this isn't democracy in action, I don't know what is!  
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
Tim Robbins fights for his right to (Democratic) party:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/tim-robbins-encounters-confusion-at-the-polls/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 04, 2008, 03:55:21 PM
moving this over from the 10@10 thread this morning:
Right -- KGO-TV at 11 last night mentioned in the teaser that "it might be in violation of some federal voting laws", but then didn't follow-up, simply saying Starbucks and Krispy Kreme were giving away free coffee and donuts to anyone who voted.
But another story I heard or read said you didn't even have to vote, just go up and ask.
I believe the fine print in the Starbucks commercial said "Just walk up and say 'I voted' and receive a free brewed coffee."  So I guess they saying they don't care if you lie.
Yes, I believe the law is no gifts in exchange for a specific vote (person or measure), but promoting the general idea of voting is probably okay, but just as in any other contest: "no purchase necessary."

Here's what the NY Times has to say about election freebies (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/taking-election-freebies-without-guilt/).  Be sure to read to the end.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 04, 2008, 04:02:07 PM
very first results of the day:

with 3% of Indiana precincts reporting it's Obama 50-48.
with 9% of Kentucky precincts rporting it's McCain 51-48.

Polls closed 2 mins ago in VT, VA, SC, KY, IN & GA.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 05:20:57 PM
very first results of the day:

with 3% of Indiana precincts reporting it's Obama 50-48.
with 9% of Kentucky precincts rporting it's McCain 51-48.

Polls closed 2 mins ago in VT, VA, SC, KY, IN & GA.

I voted about 40 mins ago -- walked right in, no wait at all.  Glued to MSNBC, and they've given PA to Obama.  McCain practically lived there for the last week. Oops!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on November 04, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
moving this over from the 10@10 thread this morning:
Right -- KGO-TV at 11 last night mentioned in the teaser that "it might be in violation of some federal voting laws", but then didn't follow-up, simply saying Starbucks and Krispy Kreme were giving away free coffee and donuts to anyone who voted.
But another story I heard or read said you didn't even have to vote, just go up and ask.
I believe the fine print in the Starbucks commercial said "Just walk up and say 'I voted' and receive a free brewed coffee."  So I guess they saying they don't care if you lie.
Yes, I believe the law is no gifts in exchange for a specific vote (person or measure), but promoting the general idea of voting is probably okay, but just as in any other contest: "no purchase necessary."

Here's what the NY Times has to say about election freebies (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/taking-election-freebies-without-guilt/).  Be sure to read to the end.


got my free 12oz (aka "tall") coffee from Starshmuck's just a little while ago.  Need it to propel through the night here at work.  I asked for the coffee and the guy said "Do you have the sticker?"     I did, so I'm caffeinated.  I wonder what woulda happened if I said, "No..." 
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on November 04, 2008, 05:43:59 PM
It's amazing how different each network projects. Fox News had 2 Demo gains that MSNBC and CNN didn't have yet. As of 5:30, Fox had Hagan over Dole in NC and Shaheen beating Sanunu in NH. They also had PA going to Obama 15 minutes before CNN did. All 3 major cable news networks had different numbers for the electoral vote.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 04, 2008, 05:50:26 PM
It's amazing how different each network projects. Fox News had 2 Demo gains that MSNBC and CNN didn't have yet. As of 5:30, Fox had Hagan over Dole in NC and Shaheen beating Sanunu in NH. They also had PA going to Obama 15 minutes before CNN did. All 3 major cable news networks had different numbers for the electoral vote.

Sounds as if NPR and Fox are using the same analysts. As soon as the 8pm polls closed on the east coast (PA, NC, NH, several others) NPR called like 7 states for Obama and 2 for McCain. And shortly after gave the NC senate seat to Hagan. They're now saying the Demos have picked up three seats in the senate: the two mentioned above and the Virginia seat vacated by John Warner.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 06:16:16 PM
The Dem governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, totally RAWKS! I wanna see her go one-on-one with Palin. Granholm'd mop the floor with Caribou Barbie.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on November 04, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
Eliz Dole loses her re-election bid for her NC Senate seat. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/11/04/politics/p174735S53.DTL)
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/46831/thumbs/s-LIDDY-DOLE-large.jpg)
"aw, crap..."
she ran a desperate sleazy ad (http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/how-low-can-you-go-sen-elizabe.html) calling her opponent 'godless' which backfired.   Eat it, beeyotch!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on November 04, 2008, 06:28:11 PM
Fox News then MSNBC projected Obama winning Ohio. CNN as of 6:28PM has not projected yet.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 04, 2008, 07:27:32 PM
If the coverage you're watching is getting a little dry (and you have cable), switch over to BBC-America--their take on things is a kick. For instance, they just interviewed noted political analyst Eddie Izzard!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 07:51:30 PM
If the coverage you're watching is getting a little dry (and you have cable), switch over to BBC-America--their take on things is a kick. For instance, they just interviewed noted political analyst Eddie Izzard!

Ha! thanx for the tip -- gotta love an anchor named David Dimbleby. Positively a Pythonesque name.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 04, 2008, 08:02:33 PM
time to celebrate for President-elect Obama!

Now it's time to start watching prop 8
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 08:03:14 PM
It's official -- NBC gives Obama CA, OR and WA, putting him over the top.

Everybody: Huge. Sigh. of. Relief.

At the party in Chicago's Grant Park they just played "Signed Sealed and Delivered". LOL!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 04, 2008, 08:07:14 PM
Welcome, President Obama.  We're putting our trust in you - please lead with wisdom.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
Stewart and Colbert are doing their "Indecision 2008" thang on Comedy Central right now.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 08:16:26 PM
Welcome, President Obama.  We're putting our trust in you - please lead with wisdom.

Indeed and amen.  He's up to 333 Electoral Votes at the moment -- NBC just gave him Florida.
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Post by: ggould on November 04, 2008, 08:18:03 PM
Stewart and Colbert are doing their "Indecision 2008" thang on Comedy Central right now.
they're just re-running the live hour they just did.  It was kind of cool to see the announcement on Comedy Central.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 04, 2008, 08:18:52 PM
Welcome, President Obama.  We're putting our trust in you - please lead with wisdom.

Indeed and amen.  He's up to 333 Electoral Votes at the moment -- NBC just gave him Florida.

Heh, the Fox interactive map has stopped working.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 08:28:15 PM
McCain is giving his concession. And it's quite gracious, at least to my ears. (More gracious than some of his supporters, at any rate.)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 04, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
Welcome, President Obama.  We're putting our trust in you - please lead with wisdom.

Indeed and amen.  He's up to 333 Electoral Votes at the moment -- NBC just gave him Florida.

Heh, the Fox interactive map has stopped working.

It's powered by O'Reilly's brain -- which just exploded.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 04, 2008, 09:01:01 PM
Watch Live Now:

http://www.barackobama.com/live/
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on November 04, 2008, 09:03:31 PM
Google Maps Election Map. You can zoom in for county detail:
http://mapmash.googlepages.com/election2008.html (http://mapmash.googlepages.com/election2008.html)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 04, 2008, 09:06:28 PM
Watch Live Now:

http://www.barackobama.com/live/
odd, this stream is ahead of the ABC feed
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on November 04, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
Any predictions??

I have Obama getting 338 Electoral votes to McCain's 200 but I have Florida going Obama, which probably will be wrong.

I was right until Indiana went to Obama. I think that is a surprise considering Indiana is Klan like in it's thinking. I would of correct had the remaining states as "Too Close to call" late Tuesday night, Montana, North Carolina, Indiana and Missouri went red. One (as of 11:50PM) has gone blue.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on November 05, 2008, 08:31:06 AM
Article: Obama under pressure to fill big jobs fast
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081105/pl_nm/us_usa_election_cabinet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081105/pl_nm/us_usa_election_cabinet)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 08:42:36 AM
a day-after message for the GOP:

(http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/111008/stfu.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 05, 2008, 08:43:15 AM
one of my students asked why on TV after the election they only showed black people.  I didn't think so, especially the crowd in Chicago.   Did you guys see that?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 08:44:54 AM
one of my students asked why on TV after the election they only showed black people.  I didn't think so, especially the crowd in Chicago.   Did you guys see that?

Was he watching FOX?

Seriously, the crowd in Chicago was amazingly diverse. 
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Post by: Tinka Cat on November 05, 2008, 09:03:07 AM
one of my students asked why on TV after the election they only showed black people.  I didn't think so, especially the crowd in Chicago.   Did you guys see that?

Was he watching FOX?

Seriously, the crowd in Chicago was amazingly diverse. 

I was watching Fox and the crowd shots were balanced: there may have been a few shots in a row that focused on black people, and and in any given shot you could easily see people of color, but it was mixed.  I think there were many folks in the crowd up front especially who were non-white. 

At first, Fox did a careful job of saying things that were high-road (I recall things like "No matter how you feel politically, this moment makes you proud to be American."  "let's remember that he won overwhemingly ...  there is NO affirmative action for the presidency").  The main anchor -- forget his name -- said a couple times in that Fox bombast kind of way "If you're conservative: get over it!  This is how this country decided and we have to work together to move forward."

Later in their coverage -- after Obama's acceptance speech -- they trotted out some right wing wags/hags to talk about things like recent polls that indicate a LARGE percentage of the public who  ARE NOT HAPPY with Obama, blah blah. It was spin-fricking-city.  that's when I turned them off.

I normally do not watch Fox, but I heard their results were fastest among the networks.  Also, I'm a big proponent of keeping tabs on the other guys via their media.  It's good to know their talking points and how they think.       
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 05, 2008, 10:10:48 AM
one of my students asked why on TV after the election they only showed black people.  I didn't think so, especially the crowd in Chicago.   Did you guys see that?

Was he watching FOX?

Seriously, the crowd in Chicago was amazingly diverse. 
that's exactly the question I asked him!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 11:00:19 AM
The Onion chimes in:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_finally_shitty_enough_to
Title: Proud to be an American
Post by: urth on November 05, 2008, 11:14:33 AM
Watching the election coverage last night the phrase "Proud to be an American" ran thru my mind, which of course reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmB75jzzIE

(No actual video, but you get to hear the song anyway.)
Title: Re: Proud to be an American
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 11:35:25 AM
Watching the election coverage last night the phrase "Proud to be an American" ran thru my mind, which of course reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmB75jzzIE

(No actual video, but you get to hear the song anyway.)

To add another musical note (and perhaps cap this thread -- maybe we should start an "Obama Presidency" thread?), I got this from another board and (as I'm not orchestral-sndtk-music-savvy) I can't comfirm its accuracy, but it makes sense:

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Anyone else catch the music played when McCain took the stage for his concession speech and then when he left?

Taking the stage - "Days of Thunder"; Leaving it - "Crimson Tide"

The first, an anthem for red state NASCAR fans and the second, from a film about an old school maverick who is stripped of his command by a younger black guy.

And Obama just ended his speech with music from Remember the Titans - the story of a team of white and black coming together and putting all their differences aside to win a championship
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
A nice rejoinder to the neanderthals who passed Prop 8 (written by a straight guy):

http://therecshow.com/2008/11/05/heres-a-proposition-suck-my-dick-california/

and in other right-wing headlines, that Michelle Bachmann bitch got re-elected.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 05, 2008, 12:45:44 PM
Aside from the presidential election, which I have high hopes for at this point, it would be really great if the Dems could capture a few more seats in the senate (is 60 too many to hope for?)

Heard one scary scenario regarding Ted Stevens in Alaska, however. If he's somehow still able to pull off a win after his conviction on seven felony charges, he resigns after he takes office. As governor, Palin gets to appoint his successor, so she appoints herself.

And that, my friends, scares the crap out of me.

can she legally appoint herself?  Maybe she'll appoint Todd.

Thought I'd update this: I've read from several diff sources that Alaska law says she doesn't appoint a successor, but has to order a special election.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 05, 2008, 02:28:41 PM
Aside from the presidential election, which I have high hopes for at this point, it would be really great if the Dems could capture a few more seats in the senate (is 60 too many to hope for?)

Heard one scary scenario regarding Ted Stevens in Alaska, however. If he's somehow still able to pull off a win after his conviction on seven felony charges, he resigns after he takes office. As governor, Palin gets to appoint his successor, so she appoints herself.

And that, my friends, scares the crap out of me.

can she legally appoint herself?  Maybe she'll appoint Todd.

Thought I'd update this: I've read from several diff sources that Alaska law says she doesn't appoint a successor, but has to order a special election.

Did a little digging, and found that yes, that's correct. In most states, the governor can appoint an interim successor to the vacant seat. Alaska changed that policy when Gov. Frank Murkowsky (Palin's predecessor) appointed his daughter to fill the senate seat he had just vacated to become governor.  So a special election would have to be held for Stevens' seat if he were to resign or if the senate ousts him, which at this point seems to be the more likely scenario.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 05, 2008, 04:56:45 PM
"let's remember that he won overwhemingly ...  there is NO affirmative action for the presidency"

Why the F would it even occur to them to say this?

Never mind, I know the answer.  They want to reassure the inbreds in Arkansas.

Sorry to hear Michelle Bachmann retains her seat - makes it even more of a crime to punch her in the face.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on November 05, 2008, 05:02:20 PM
"let's remember that he won overwhemingly ...  there is NO affirmative action for the presidency"

Why the F would it even occur to them to say this?

Never mind, I know the answer.  They want to reassure the inbreds in Arkansas.

Sorry to hear Michelle Bachmann retains her seat - makes it even more of a crime to punch her in the face.

I was sort of half-listening at that point, but I think you hit it:  they brought up race as a factor and were basically saying this guy is smart, he capable, it wasn't handed to him. All the anchors there were in agreement, natch, and that comment was said with some (attempted) humor.  It wasn't funny, but it didn't come off as bitter or mean, either.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock --- Election 2008
Post by: Wayback on November 05, 2008, 06:44:43 PM
Did any of you catch this during CNN's Election coverage?? 
Check out the embedded videos:
CNN beams in guests with new hologram technology
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_en_tv/tv_cnn_s_hologram (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_en_tv/tv_cnn_s_hologram)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock --- Election 2008
Post by: ggould on November 05, 2008, 07:07:12 PM
Did any of you catch this during CNN's Election coverage?? 
Check out the embedded videos:
CNN beams in guests with new hologram technology
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_en_tv/tv_cnn_s_hologram (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_en_tv/tv_cnn_s_hologram)
it was the weirdest thing.  "Help me Obi-Wan!"
(http://www.allanjosephbatac.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/princess-leia-thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: SFGuy on November 05, 2008, 11:55:46 PM
I know you folks would love Obama to govern from the left but I think he has to be a centrist or risk losing the gains the Democrats have in 2010 in areas that were previously Republican. He can't let Pelosi/Reid move him to the left. Remember there are a lot of moderates in the Democratic Party.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 06, 2008, 07:49:47 AM
I know you folks would love Obama to govern from the left but I think he has to be a centrist or risk losing the gains the Democrats have in 2010 in areas that were previously Republican. He can't let Pelosi/Reid move him to the left. Remember there are a lot of moderates in the Democratic Party.

Oh I think he will govern from the center -- he's not dumb and strikes me as quite a pragmatist. (Of course when I say "center" I mean a rational human being's idea of "center", not FOX News's version  ;D )

(http://www.barackobama.com/images/thankyou_banner.jpg)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 06, 2008, 09:19:51 AM
"let's remember that he won overwhemingly ...  there is NO affirmative action for the presidency"

Why the F would it even occur to them to say this?

Never mind, I know the answer.  They want to reassure the inbreds in Arkansas.

Sorry to hear Michelle Bachmann retains her seat - makes it even more of a crime to punch her in the face.

I was sort of half-listening at that point, but I think you hit it:  they brought up race as a factor and were basically saying this guy is smart, he capable, it wasn't handed to him. All the anchors there were in agreement, natch, and that comment was said with some (attempted) humor.  It wasn't funny, but it didn't come off as bitter or mean, either.

I agree.  There are lots of people out there, both black & white, for whom the success of any African-American (outside of entertainment & professional sports) has a hidden asterisk:  *may have benefitted from affirmative action.  Remember, the guy who tried to kill affirmative action in CA was black, and Clarence Thomas makes no secret of sharing this opinion.

So the further significance of Obama's election is that <John Houseman voice> He EARNED It </John Houseman voice>.

As The Economist put it:  "beginning with no money & no name recognition 20 months ago, Barack Obama took on - and defeated - the two most formidable political machines of this generation: the Clintons & the Religious Right.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 06, 2008, 09:25:48 AM
I know you folks would love Obama to govern from the left but I think he has to be a centrist or risk losing the gains the Democrats have in 2010 in areas that were previously Republican. He can't let Pelosi/Reid move him to the left. Remember there are a lot of moderates in the Democratic Party.

I ABSOLUTELY want Obama to govern from the center 90+%.  My biggest hope is that an Obama presidency means that moderate pragmatists can completley pull the rug out from under extremists on both sides of the aisle (see my comment about Rahm Emanuel knocking heads, incl. Pelosi's, on the Obama thread).
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 06, 2008, 10:30:47 AM
Yippee! Looks like Jeff Merkley, the Oregon Democratic challenger for Gordon Smith's seat in the senate, has pulled out a narrow victory. So tally one more for the left side of the aisle.

Btw, I fully agree that the Dems have to take a more centrist stance, not only so they can get more done over the course of the next session of Congress, but looking forward, so they can maintain their majority thru the next election cycle. If they start pushing a far-leftist agenda down everyone's throat they're just going to engender more bad feelings and cause more problems down the road.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 06, 2008, 10:45:22 AM

If they start pushing a far-leftist agenda down everyone's throat they're just going to engender more bad feelings and cause more problems down the road.


Other than the single issue of marriage equality (and y'all know where I personally stand on that), I can't even think of what 'a far-leftist agenda' even entails.  Climate crisis: mainstream.  Find a sensible, non-abrupt way out of Iraq: mainstream.  Beef up Afghanistan & finally nail Bin Laden: mainstream.  Extend health care: mainstream.

Re: Senate races, according to Peter Finch this morning the MN Senate race between Rep. incumbent Norm Coleman & Dem challenger Al Franken, Coleman led by 200 votes & it was going into recount.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 06, 2008, 10:50:12 AM

If they start pushing a far-leftist agenda down everyone's throat they're just going to engender more bad feelings and cause more problems down the road.


Other than the single issue of marriage equality (and y'all know where I personally stand on that), I can't even think of what 'a far-leftist agenda' even entails.  Climate crisis: mainstream.  Find a sensible, non-abrupt way out of Iraq: mainstream.  Beef up Afghanistan & finally nail Bin Laden: mainstream.  Extend health care: mainstream.

Re: Senate races, according to Peter Finch this morning the MN Senate race between Rep. incumbent Norm Coleman & Dem challenger Al Franken, Coleman led by 200 votes & it was going into recount.


I keep hoping Franken will pull it out, if only so we can truly be living in The Al Franken Decade.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 06, 2008, 10:54:49 AM

If they start pushing a far-leftist agenda down everyone's throat they're just going to engender more bad feelings and cause more problems down the road.


Other than the single issue of marriage equality (and y'all know where I personally stand on that), I can't even think of what 'a far-leftist agenda' even entails.  Climate crisis: mainstream.  Find a sensible, non-abrupt way out of Iraq: mainstream.  Beef up Afghanistan & finally nail Bin Laden: mainstream.  Extend health care: mainstream.


Of course the far-RIGHT nutjobs consider *all* that stuff "far-left", and it will fall to the Fox Newsies and their ilk to try to make Every. Single. Dem. Proposal. into a "radical leftist outrage". ::)

But the GOP is in deep doo-doo.  One of their strategists (I forget his name; he's the guy who had a dust-up with Rachel Maddow on her show 2 weeks ago) was on BBC America saying, basically that the Repubs have become the old/white/uneducated/rural party. That's their base, and that group is shrinking, not growing. It's the Palin crowd, and she's welcome to 'em!

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 06, 2008, 11:04:22 AM

If they start pushing a far-leftist agenda down everyone's throat they're just going to engender more bad feelings and cause more problems down the road.


Other than the single issue of marriage equality (and y'all know where I personally stand on that), I can't even think of what 'a far-leftist agenda' even entails.  Climate crisis: mainstream.  Find a sensible, non-abrupt way out of Iraq: mainstream.  Beef up Afghanistan & finally nail Bin Laden: mainstream.  Extend health care: mainstream.


Of course the far-RIGHT nutjobs consider *all* that stuff "far-left", and it will fall to the Fox Newsies and their ilk to try to make Every. Single. Dem. Proposal. into a "radical leftist outrage". ::)

But the GOP is in deep doo-doo.  One of their strategists (I forget his name; he's the guy who had a dust-up with Rachel Maddow on her show 2 weeks ago) was on BBC America saying, basically that the Repubs have become the old/white/uneducated/rural party. That's their base, and that group is shrinking, not growing. It's the Palin crowd, and she's welcome to 'em!



If Palin has any sense whatsoever - and I think she actually does, or shrewdness anyway - she's gonna distance herself from Joe Sixpack if she has any further aspirations on the national scene.

Perhaps lost among all the post elections coverage, but Obama became the first Democrat to win outright the vote among college-educated whites.  That may well be the single most telling stat of the whole night.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 06, 2008, 11:07:01 AM

If Palin has any sense whatsoever - and I think she actually does, or shrewdness anyway

Hope you saw South Park last nite -- catch the replay tonite if you didn't. No spoilers from me, but quite an episode.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 06, 2008, 11:25:04 AM
Yippee! Looks like Jeff Merkley, the Oregon Democratic challenger for Gordon Smith's seat in the senate, has pulled out a narrow victory. So tally one more for the left side of the aisle.


It's worth noting that the Repub in that race was considered a "moderate" which says something about how blue the West Coast has become.

And NBC has finally awarded North Carolina to Obama.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 06, 2008, 01:19:43 PM
It looks like Obama gets 1 electoral vote from Nebraska (!) as he appears to have won the 2nd Congressional Dist by doing very well in Omaha.

And I was astounded to learn how close he came to flipping Montana (!!) from red to blue.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 06, 2008, 01:55:44 PM
It looks like Obama gets 1 electoral vote from Nebraska (!) as he appears to have won the 2nd Congressional Dist by doing very well in Omaha.

And I was astounded to learn how close he came to flipping Montana (!!) from red to blue.

Not to mention Missouri, which is still close but looks like it'll still go to McPain.

As for Smith, he's definitely a more moderate Repub, but he ran a pretty negative campaign against Merkley, and I think that may have swayed people against him. Also, like a lot of states, the larger cities here have large Democratic majorities, and that's what finally swayed it in Merkley's favor. Multnomah (Portland) and Lane (Eugene) counties were among the last to finalize their vote tallies. Most of the state went for McCain. I think the final margin of victory was around 14,000 votes.  Our county, Yamhill, was initially leaning toward Obama, which would have been huge as it's pretty rural and conservative out here. But in the final total, McCain won here by just a couple of hundred votes. Which in itself is significant.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 07, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Here's an interesting page of election maps (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/), which compares population-scaled and electoral-college-vote-scaled cartograms to standard geographic maps.

There are several maps, and the commentary is good, but the main result is that this:
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/statemapredbluer512.png)

turns into this:
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/stateelecredblue512.png)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 10, 2008, 10:55:57 PM
Not to keep flogging what I hope will soon become a dead horse (politically anyway), but the McCain advisor who leaked Palin's lack of understanding about foreign affairs and world geography has outed himself:

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/10/eisenstadt-the-source-for-sarah-palin-africa-leak-and-proud-of-it/

And still there are loads of people defending her ignorance (read thru the first few dozen comments if you have time). I tellya, there is no limit to the gullibility of a good portion of the American electorate.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 13, 2008, 02:52:33 PM
Not to keep flogging what I hope will soon become a dead horse (politically anyway), but the McCain advisor who leaked Palin's lack of understanding about foreign affairs and world geography has outed himself:

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/11/10/eisenstadt-the-source-for-sarah-palin-africa-leak-and-proud-of-it/

And still there are loads of people defending her ignorance (read thru the first few dozen comments if you have time). I tellya, there is no limit to the gullibility of a good portion of the American electorate.

Well, isn't this just a little embarassing. Turns out that this blog is a hoax. Eisenstadt doesn't exist, and this isn't the first time these guys have pulled a fast one using that name.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/11/12/entertainment/e203346S31.DTL&hw=Eisenstadt&sn=001&sc=1000

Ya just can't believe nobody no more.

In happier news, Ted Stevens has now fallen behind in the Alaska Senate race. Of course, they won't finish counting until next week, but....
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/11/12/politics/p181146S30.DTL

Anyone heard anything from Minnesota?
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 13, 2008, 03:23:49 PM

Anyone heard anything from Minnesota?

The Washington Post says the Minnesota recount (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/11/minnesota_senate_recount_heats.html?hpid=news-col-blogs) will start soon, and could take until mid-Decemeber.  Currently Coleman leads Franken by 209 votes out of over 2.88 million, or about 0.007%.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 13, 2008, 09:35:01 PM
Well, isn't this just a little embarassing. Turns out that this blog is a hoax. Eisenstadt doesn't exist, and this isn't the first time these guys have pulled a fast one using that name.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/11/12/entertainment/e203346S31.DTL&hw=Eisenstadt&sn=001&sc=1000

Ya just can't believe nobody no more.

I fell for it.
Title: Election Joke
Post by: ggould on November 14, 2008, 09:47:21 AM
One sunny day in 2009, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue, where he'd been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the U.S. Marine standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.” The Marine looked at the man and said, 'Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here.' The old man said, 'Okay' and walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, 'I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.' The Marine again told the man, 'Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here.'  The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same U. S. Marine, saying 'I would like to go in and meet with President Bush. 'The Marine, somewhat agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, 'Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush. I've told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here.  Don't you understand?'
 
The old man looked at the Marine and said, 'Oh, I understand.  I just love hearing it.'   

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow.”
 
Title: Re: Election Joke
Post by: mshray on November 14, 2008, 10:41:17 AM
One sunny day in 2009, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue, where he'd been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the U.S. Marine standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.” The Marine looked at the man and said, 'Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here.' The old man said, 'Okay' and walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, 'I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.' The Marine again told the man, 'Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here.'  The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same U. S. Marine, saying 'I would like to go in and meet with President Bush. 'The Marine, somewhat agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, 'Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush. I've told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here.  Don't you understand?'
 
The old man looked at the Marine and said, 'Oh, I understand.  I just love hearing it.'   

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow.”
 

Very nice!!
Title: cool cartoon pic
Post by: ggould on November 14, 2008, 06:32:42 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: RGMike on November 14, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: ggould on November 14, 2008, 11:02:57 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
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Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: RGMike on November 15, 2008, 11:05:56 AM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
???

in other words... WHAT "file thumbnail"? Where is it?
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: ggould on November 16, 2008, 01:22:13 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
???
in other words... WHAT "file thumbnail"? Where is it?
there is a feature in this message board that allows for a file upload (I've set it to less than 128K) without having to upload to a server first.  It shows first as a small image, but then you click on it, and it expands to full size.  if you go back to the post here:
http://10at10club.com/forum/index.php?topic=4125.msg90113#msg90113
you should see a paper clip icon and a small image of a cartoon Mt. Rushmore.
it's under the "Additional Options" link under the posting window.
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: RGMike on November 16, 2008, 05:35:16 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
???
in other words... WHAT "file thumbnail"? Where is it?
there is a feature in this message board that allows for a file upload (I've set it to less than 128K) without having to upload to a server first.  It shows first as a small image, but then you click on it, and it expands to full size.  if you go back to the post here:
http://10at10club.com/forum/index.php?topic=4125.msg90113#msg90113
you should see a paper clip icon and a small image of a cartoon Mt. Rushmore.
it's under the "Additional Options" link under the posting window.

Nope, sorry -- nowhere to be seen, at least on my home computer.
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: Gazoo on November 16, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
???
in other words... WHAT "file thumbnail"? Where is it?
there is a feature in this message board that allows for a file upload (I've set it to less than 128K) without having to upload to a server first.  It shows first as a small image, but then you click on it, and it expands to full size.  if you go back to the post here:
http://10at10club.com/forum/index.php?topic=4125.msg90113#msg90113
you should see a paper clip icon and a small image of a cartoon Mt. Rushmore.
it's under the "Additional Options" link under the posting window.

Nope, sorry -- nowhere to be seen, at least on my home computer.

Yeah, it didn't come up for me either, sorry.
Title: Re: cool cartoon pic
Post by: ggould on November 16, 2008, 05:45:02 PM
click on file thumbnail to enlarge

er...  ??? ??? ???
???
in other words... WHAT "file thumbnail"? Where is it?
there is a feature in this message board that allows for a file upload (I've set it to less than 128K) without having to upload to a server first.  It shows first as a small image, but then you click on it, and it expands to full size.  if you go back to the post here:
http://10at10club.com/forum/index.php?topic=4125.msg90113#msg90113
you should see a paper clip icon and a small image of a cartoon Mt. Rushmore.
it's under the "Additional Options" link under the posting window.

Nope, sorry -- nowhere to be seen, at least on my home computer.

Yeah, it didn't come up for me either, sorry.
well, it seems to only work when I'm logged in.  Pretty useless!  I have been using this for a while, but nobody ever told me before that it doesn't work!
Title: totally not worth the buildup
Post by: ggould on November 16, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
here's the silly image I was trying to post:

(http://ggould.com/blogstuff/images/FistBump.jpg)
Title: Re: totally not worth the buildup
Post by: RGMike on November 16, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
here's the silly image I was trying to post:


Bwahahaha! Worth the wait!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 16, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
In case you missed Bill Maher's last "New Rules" of the season... he's newly-optimistic about America after the election, so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QuR-GTrA98
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 17, 2008, 12:52:19 PM
oh, and Missouri's STILL "too close to call"...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15649.html

I'm quite amazed that Missouri voted for Stevenson in '56.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 18, 2008, 04:34:34 PM
elsewhere on that site it says it looks like Stevens is losing the Alaska senate race.  He's down 2300 votes with about 8000 left to count, and Begich has been steadily increasing his lead daily during this last phase.  I'll be glad to see him gone.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 18, 2008, 05:14:40 PM
elsewhere on that site it says it looks like Stevens is losing the Alaska senate race.  He's down 2300 votes with about 8000 left to count, and Begich has been steadily increasing his lead daily during this last phase.  I'll be glad to see him gone.

Great news. Last week Begich was up only just over 800, so he's definitely stretching his lead.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 18, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
elsewhere on that site it says it looks like Stevens is losing the Alaska senate race.  He's down 2300 votes with about 8000 left to count, and Begich has been steadily increasing his lead daily during this last phase.  I'll be glad to see him gone.

Great news. Last week Begich was up only just over 800, so he's definitely stretching his lead.

AP has called it for Begich; he's up by something like 3300 votes with only 2500 left to count.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 18, 2008, 08:41:07 PM
elsewhere on that site it says it looks like Stevens is losing the Alaska senate race.  He's down 2300 votes with about 8000 left to count, and Begich has been steadily increasing his lead daily during this last phase.  I'll be glad to see him gone.

Great news. Last week Begich was up only just over 800, so he's definitely stretching his lead.

AP has called it for Begich; he's up by something like 3300 votes with only 2500 left to count.

Yay!  Here's the story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stevens (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stevens)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on November 18, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
elsewhere on that site it says it looks like Stevens is losing the Alaska senate race.  He's down 2300 votes with about 8000 left to count, and Begich has been steadily increasing his lead daily during this last phase.  I'll be glad to see him gone.

Great news. Last week Begich was up only just over 800, so he's definitely stretching his lead.

AP has called it for Begich; he's up by something like 3300 votes with only 2500 left to count.

Yay!  Here's the story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stevens (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/stevens)

And double yay: This means the senate won't have to toss Stevens out on his ass, so there won't be a special election to fill his seat, and that dumbs*** b**** they have for a governor up there will have to cool her heels in Wasilla for a couple more years at least before she gets another shot at national office.

And today's Stevens' 85th birthday. A fitting present for such a slimeball. Happy birthday, Ted, you're out of a job.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Gazoo on November 19, 2008, 12:28:44 AM
Wow!  Urth, you been drinking my bitter serum?  That was impressive.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 19, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
Wow!  Urth, you been drinking my bitter serum?  That was impressive.

LOL.  In fact I did a double take when I realized that was Urth's avatar & not yours next to that post.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on November 19, 2008, 11:22:57 AM
Check out this Newsweek series of articles & related videos (http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582).  Every election Newsweek detaches (literally) a handful of reporters who go out onto the campaign with the candidates 24/7, but who aren't allowed to report anything until after the polls close.  They get access & deep background that you can't find anywhere else.

(if nothing else, be sure to see the video clip at the top of the first page - pretty damning version of the Palin wardrobe dustup)
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: Tinka Cat on November 19, 2008, 11:59:40 AM
Check out this Newsweek series of articles & related videos (http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582).  Every election Newsweek detaches (literally) a handful of reporters who go out onto the campaign with the candidates 24/7, but who aren't allowed to report anything until after the polls close.  They get access & deep background that you can't find anywhere else.

(if nothing else, be sure to see the video clip at the top of the first page - pretty damning version of the Palin wardrobe dustup)

Nice find. 

Two top eds at Newsweek (Jon Meecham and Evan Thomas) appeared on Charlie Rose soon after the election hawking their just pub'd "Obama is elected" book (akin to what Gaz just edited for Time, Inc.).  Some good insights:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9341
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on November 19, 2008, 01:59:22 PM
and speaking (as we were earlier) of Mormons:

the Salt Lake Tribune reports...

Quote
"Updated election results released Tuesday show that Salt Lake County voters favored Barack Obama over John McCain -- but just barely -- marking the first time in decades that a Democratic presidential hopeful won the state's most populous county. With the addition of more than 29,000 provisional and late-arriving absentee ballots, President-elect Obama scored a come-from-behind victory over McCain. The county's official election canvass didn't change the outcome in any other race."

"The final result gave Obama a 296-vote victory, which equates to less than one-tenth of 1 percent... The updated election results have no impact on who won the presidency or even on Utah's five Electoral College votes, which easily went to McCain. But Obama's Salt Lake County win sure meant a lot to the leaders of the Utah Democratic Party, who watched President Bush win the last two elections by a margin of more than 20 percentage points in the county. 'It is a huge step for us,' said party Chairman Wayne Holland."

Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on December 09, 2008, 08:11:37 AM
Holy crap: Illinois governor arrested --among other things, he is accused of conspiring to sell Obama's now-vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/09/national/a064842S88.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on December 09, 2008, 04:01:24 PM
Holy crap: Illinois governor arrested --among other things, he is accused of conspiring to sell Obama's now-vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/09/national/a064842S88.DTL&tsp=1

I was in Chicago in Oct & heard locals there complaining that he was slimy, even though he was elected to be a clean alternative to the former governor Ryan, who is currently in prison on various corruption charges.  Ryan was a Republican, to neither party gets to point many fingers at this point.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on December 12, 2008, 10:01:58 AM
Holy crap: Illinois governor arrested --among other things, he is accused of conspiring to sell Obama's now-vacant Senate seat to the highest bidder!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/09/national/a064842S88.DTL&tsp=1

I was in Chicago in Oct & heard locals there complaining that he was slimy, even though he was elected to be a clean alternative to the former governor Ryan, who is currently in prison on various corruption charges.  Ryan was a Republican, to neither party gets to point many fingers at this point.

If you'd like to see a little more about Chicago politics & get a heads up on how this might still ultimately touch Obama (hint, it'd be through Rahm E.), check this article  (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-12-dec12,0,723256.column) from the Chicago Tribune's version of Phil Matier.
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: princessofcairo on December 16, 2008, 12:56:32 PM
Robin Williams on the elections:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMz1Q3E000
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on December 19, 2008, 12:38:17 PM
ah, the Palin family: the gift that keeps on giving!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/national/a092513S68.DTL&tsp=1
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on December 31, 2008, 11:27:08 AM
ah, the Palin family: the gift that keeps on giving!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/national/a092513S68.DTL&tsp=1

this coulda gone in the "Gossip" thread, I suppose, but it makes a nice coda to the campaign and the year: Bristol Palin had her baby. A boy named... Tripp (did you expect anything less?)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/29/national/a162929S06.DTL

No truth to the rumor that grandma on daddy's side sent a gift basket of OxyContin...
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on December 31, 2008, 11:54:13 AM
ah, the Palin family: the gift that keeps on giving!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/national/a092513S68.DTL&tsp=1

this coulda gone in the "Gossip" thread, I suppose, but it makes a nice coda to the campaign and the year: Bristol Palin had her baby. A boy named... Tripp (did you expect anything less?)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/29/national/a162929S06.DTL

No truth to the rumor that grandma on daddy's side sent a gift basket of OxyContin...

What did you expect from a teenager who has brothers named Trig and Track? Next up: Tramp!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: urth on January 05, 2009, 12:07:38 PM
The latest from Minnesota! The recount is done (for now) and Al Franken leads by 225 votes! Of course, Coleman's camp promises to file suit, but at least Al's got him on the ropes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/03/politics/p181326S50.DTL&tsp=1

Welcome to the Al Franken Decade!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: RGMike on January 05, 2009, 12:20:11 PM
The latest from Minnesota! The recount is done (for now) and Al Franken leads by 225 votes! Of course, Coleman's camp promises to file suit, but at least Al's got him on the ropes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/03/politics/p181326S50.DTL&tsp=1

Welcome to the Al Franken Decade!

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him!
Title: Re: We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make -- Election 2008
Post by: mshray on January 05, 2009, 01:15:10 PM
The latest from Minnesota! The recount is done (for now) and Al Franken leads by 225 votes! Of course, Coleman's camp promises to file suit, but at least Al's got him on the ropes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/03/politics/p181326S50.DTL&tsp=1

Welcome to the Al Franken Decade!

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him!



He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him 0.00928% more than that other guy!