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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2013, 04:43:39 PM »
Since nobody has posted the list yet:

 1. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
 2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Get Down Tonight
 3. Elton John - Island Girl
 4. Van McCoy - The Hustle
 5. Bad Company - Feel Like Makin' Love
 6. Amazing Rhythm Aces - Third Rate Romance
 7. Electric Light Orchestra - Strange Magic
 8. Spinners - "They Just Can't Stop It" the (Games People Play)
 9. Fleetwood Mac - Say You Love Me
10. Tubes - White Punks On Dope

Anyone who wants to retrieve the list from G-snipes, feel free.  :)
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2013, 08:20:19 PM »
Since nobody has posted the list yet:

 1. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
 2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Get Down Tonight
 3. Elton John - Island Girl
 4. Van McCoy - The Hustle
 5. Bad Company - Feel Like Makin' Love
 6. Amazing Rhythm Aces - Third Rate Romance
 7. Electric Light Orchestra - Strange Magic
 8. Spinners - "They Just Can't Stop It" the (Games People Play)
 9. Fleetwood Mac - Say You Love Me
10. Tubes - White Punks On Dope

Anyone who wants to retrieve the list from G-snipes, feel free.  :)
thanks, sometimes it's a little daunting to wade in there.
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2013, 10:53:13 PM »
Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.

I'd put Neil Young at the top of that list.  I like his early work,
whiny though it may be.  But apart from a song or two, I haven't thought
much of most of what he's done in over thirty years.  It sounds tired to me.

There are a few Bruce songs I like, and some I never need to hear again.
But most of his stuff doesn't move me.  I don't relate much to the blue
collar outlook.  And it's incongruous having a successful multi-millionaire
who continues to play the part of a working-class Everyman.

I enjoy a lot of the U2 catalog.  But they're largely a mainstream band,
nothing particularly innovative in their work.

Next up -- musicians who I think don't deserve the opprobrium they get on this board!
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2013, 10:54:21 PM »
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Them's fightin' words here, bub.

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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #49 on: April 13, 2013, 12:09:18 AM »
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Them's fightin' words here, bub.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

I like Bruce.  But I certainly don't romanticize Jersey.  From what I've seen on TV, it's pretty much a hell hole.  I love to travel, and will literally go anywhere with a carefree heart, but Jersey is pretty much last on my list.  Behind, like, I don't know, Kansas.  Or Somalia.

He may be a lucky punk from Jersey, but he puts on a hell of a show, and his songs resonate.  I refused to pay $114 for far away seats last time he was in town, but would have paid that for a closer experience. 

I think he rose above those other Jersey punks with talent and conviction.  You may not agree, but he doesn't seem to be as Jersey as the media is portraying Jersey these days. 
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2013, 12:19:23 AM »
I'd put Neil Young at the top of that list.

Oh, now you done it!  Or, idiomatically, "NO YOU DIN'T!"

I mean, he's as serious an artist as I know in the rock and roll arena.  Not always great (some things fail), but always out there, pushing towards what he wants to be.  It is "art" to him. 
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2013, 12:21:35 AM »

Next up -- musicians who I think don't deserve the opprobrium they get on this board!

I am on the edge of my seat waiting for your defense of The Cars.

Myself, I defend Tom Petty.  But that is just me.
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2013, 06:28:55 AM »
TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"

As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.

Sure, he's okay.  I wouldn't turn down free tickets.  There are plenty of worse bands.  But really...

Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces."  Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow.  (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said.  So I took her to Secaucus.)

Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.

Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.

I don't know that they're the most overrated (and I do really like U2), but I get your general point.

I guess the term overrated can mean many things, including but not limited to:

1) Overly rabid fanbase (your two examples)
2) Given way too much ink by the press (Radiohead immediately comes to mind).

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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2013, 12:46:41 PM »
TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"

As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.

Sure, he's okay.  I wouldn't turn down free tickets.  There are plenty of worse bands.  But really...

Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces."  Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow.  (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said.  So I took her to Secaucus.)

Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.

Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.

I don't know that they're the most overrated (and I do really like U2), but I get your general point.

I guess the term overrated can mean many things, including but not limited to:

1) Overly rabid fanbase (your two examples)
2) Given way too much ink by the press (Radiohead immediately comes to mind).

Taste is funny. I LOVE Neil and Radiohead. LOVE. Then again, Dischead said the last thirty or so years of Neil, and I will agree that his Decade was the most glorious of his career. So, yeah, maybe post-Seventies Neil is overrated, but I'll always give him a pass. He's up there with Dylan and Lennon for me.

I see a pattern, though. If one has a distaste for art rock, then Neil, maybe Bowie, and especially Radiohead are going to seem overrated. If one's distaste is more for mainstream rock, then U2, Bruce, Petty (sorry), and C[l][r]apton are going to seem overrated.
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2013, 12:53:35 PM »
just sayin'...

Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.

Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2013, 03:01:45 PM »
just sayin'...

Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.

I would say, that apart from people just being foolish, that the Beatles are considered both very popular and not overrated. I think most people would say the same about the first decade of the Rolling Stones.

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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2013, 03:24:53 PM »
just sayin'...

Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.

Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.

These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2013, 08:27:28 PM »
just sayin'...

Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.

Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.

These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?

I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart.  More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism. 
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2013, 09:35:55 PM »
just sayin'...

Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.

Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.

These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?

I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart.  More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism.

Personally, I don't think of you as an old fart with old fart opinions.  You're a hippy.  To me, that is a great thing, your one of the beautiful people of my youth, and actually one of the shining examples of what the '60s offered.  You, my friend, are groovy.  Don't give up on us because we are snarky and/or difficult.

As for "criticism" in general, I gave up on that just before I graduated with a degree in literary criticism.  It was always personal opinion in my experience (though, to be fair, good stuff was usually identified, in the long run).  It's even worse for music.  I love WPOD, but I completely understand why you do not. 
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Re: 11 April 2013: it's... 1975
« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2013, 09:39:08 PM »
For the record:
Neil Young: 10 (out of 10)
Bruce:  7
Radiohead:  7
U2: 5 (but higher for their earlier stuff)

ETA:
Led Zeppelin: 10
Rolling Stones: 8
J Geils Band: 9
Clapton: 9
Jeff Beck:  9
Robin Trower: 9
The Who: 7
Joe Jackson: 9
The Cars: 2
Abba: -3
The Beatles: 9.5
Earthquake: 8.5 (bonus frink points for "getting" that)


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