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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2013, 03:46:39 PM »
The one vertical tasting set I enjoyed was a Friday the 13th "Hits From Hell" edition.
I can't remember the exact setlist from that episode, but I do remember John Denver's
"Thank God I'm A Country Boy" was played.  ;D

5/13/05 - Oh No!!!  Friday the 13th!!!!  Today is a "Vertical Tasting" HITS FROM HELL!!!!

1. 1975 - John Denver - Thank God I'm a Country Boy
2. 1976 - Henry Gross - Shannon
3. 1977 - Leo Sayer - When I Need You
4. 1978 - Michael Zager Band - Let's All Chant
5. 1979 - Village People - In the Navy
6. 1980 - Air Supply - Lost in Love
7. 1981 - Sheena Easton - Morning Train
8. 1982 - Paul & Stevie - Ebony & Ivory
9. 1983 - Styx - Mr. Roboto
10.1984 - Kenny Loggins - Footloose

BOS, Styx.  Obviously.  I love that song.
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clips on 10@10
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2013, 05:31:21 PM »
For some months I have been gradually listening to all my DM 10@10 tapes for
the express purpose of anotating my set lists with the clip information as
AL used to do when she posted her sets on the KFOG 10@10 web page.  So the
differences in the use of clips is very fresh to me.

As others have noted, Dave's clips tended to be longer than Annalisa's.
What I have discovered is that there were almost always less of them.  Four
or five clips is a lot for a DM set, and frequently it was only three, two,
or even one.  And then there were the occasional "news-free" sets that
intentionally had no current events at all.  An AL set was usually the
complete reverse, with a seven or eight clips, and sometimes a clip between
every song.

I generally have no complaint about Dave's longer clips, because they were
usually good material.  I much prefer getting a longer excerpt of a Beatles'
Christmas record, for example.  DM's news clips were often a well-crafted
compilation of reports and quotes that outlined the story arc of an event in
under sixty seconds.  He would also over-dub long fade-outs or bridges with
larger amounts of material.  As one example, consider my notes for the
Friday Night Champagne Remix of "Time Has Come Today" from 11-Jun-04:

4. Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today
(Friday Night Champagne Remix:  over-dubbed with:  LBJ will not seek the
nomination; Robert F. Kennedy campaign speech; Senator Kennedy shot and
killed; Edward Kennedy RFK eulogy; Democratic National Convention and the
Chicago demonstrations; Humphrey convention speech; Spiro Agnew nominating
Richard Nixon; Nixon chooses Maryland Governor Agnew as running mate;
Humphrey campaign speech; Nixon wins presidential election)

Whew!

Don't forget that DM also created clip theme shows.  In between ten songs
from the target year would be a series of clips solely dedicated to one
notable news story from that time:  the 1968 Democratic National Convention,
the Apollo 11 mission, the Watergate imbroglio, or the Patty Hearst saga.

I had a brief e-mail exchange with Annalisa a few months into her stint as
time-travel hostess.  She admitted that she was concerned about putting
together shows that were as good as Dave's, not only because his were done
well, but he made it look easy!  There's a lot of work behind the scenes to
create a good clip montage.

In a related observation, Dave made much greater use of various sounders
(if that's the correct term), such as:  "Let's go, go, go, go, go!  You're
listening to the go-go sound of all-America radio."  And of course, the Don
Pardo bits.  It's the kind of interstitial sonic fluff I associate with
Top-40 stations, and I assume that Dave accumulated it earlier in his
career. 

I don't understand the complaint about clips that aren't really relevant.
If a news event, movie, television show, or product advertisement is from
that year, how is it not relevant?  As far as news versus ads, Dave had them
as well, for example a collection of cigarette ads or the Amazing Coca Cola
Medley.
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Re: vertical tasting / chartbusters
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2013, 05:45:37 PM »
But I agree on the wrong year stuff -- there's no wiggle room there.  Pick a standard (US Release date sounds about right and effing stick to it). 

We need some music nerds up in the KFOG, yo!    Renée comes off like a so many people in the digital age who half-assedly try some randowm activity -- juggling, ghost riding the whip, mentos and Diet Coke, deejaying a radio show in a major market, whatever -- and claim they have expertise in it because it was captured on film/tape and uploaded to YouTube.

My recollection is that Dave used both the date of release or the date(s) a
song was on the chart as he saw fit, with the result that some songs did get
played in two different years.  But this was a rare occurrence.  I don't know
what charts were used or how this might effect deep album tracks that never
charted.  My opinion is to give a little leeway on this point, particularly
as I have taken it for some of my own 10@10 set creations.

WRT the comments about half-assing it, I would put it this way.

Dave lived this music history and knows it cold.

AL lived some of the music history and knows it well, studied the rest and
was a very good student.

Renee looks up stuff on the Internet and tries to pass that off as
expertise.
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Re: clips on 10@10
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2013, 06:59:34 PM »
As one example, consider my notes for the
Friday Night Champagne Remix of "Time Has Come Today" from 11-Jun-04:

4. Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today
(Friday Night Champagne Remix:  over-dubbed with:  LBJ will not seek the
nomination; Robert F. Kennedy campaign speech; Senator Kennedy shot and
killed; Edward Kennedy RFK eulogy; Democratic National Convention and the
Chicago demonstrations; Humphrey convention speech; Spiro Agnew nominating
Richard Nixon; Nixon chooses Maryland Governor Agnew as running mate;
Humphrey campaign speech; Nixon wins presidential election)

Whew!


Easily one of the greatest single things ever heard in 10@10 history.  To which I would add the various "mega-mixes" he did, usually for either "Hits From Hell" or "Turkeys" sets (Cher, Barry Manilow, Ray Stevens)  or just because (the amazing Jesus Christ Superstar and Hair medleys and the "Desiderata"/"Deteriorata" mash-up).
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Re: clips on 10@10
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2013, 05:34:55 PM »
As one example, consider my notes for the
Friday Night Champagne Remix of "Time Has Come Today" from 11-Jun-04:

4. Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today
(Friday Night Champagne Remix:  over-dubbed with:  LBJ will not seek the
nomination; Robert F. Kennedy campaign speech; Senator Kennedy shot and
killed; Edward Kennedy RFK eulogy; Democratic National Convention and the
Chicago demonstrations; Humphrey convention speech; Spiro Agnew nominating
Richard Nixon; Nixon chooses Maryland Governor Agnew as running mate;
Humphrey campaign speech; Nixon wins presidential election)

Whew!


Easily one of the greatest single things ever heard in 10@10 history.  To which I would add the various "mega-mixes" he did, usually for either "Hits From Hell" or "Turkeys" sets (Cher, Barry Manilow, Ray Stevens)  or just because (the amazing Jesus Christ Superstar and Hair medleys and the "Desiderata"/"Deteriorata" mash-up).

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This is where I diverge from all the non-SF'ers (by that I mean people who weren't listening to KMPX/KSAN in '67) on this tune.  "Time Has Come" was totally taking over the local airwaves in late '67.  It was playing out of every record store.  I saw them at Winterland in 12/67, so for me, it will be '67.  I realize I'm just a grumpy old man, but this was important to me at the time, and still is.
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Re: vertical tasting / chartbusters
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2013, 11:13:30 PM »
My recollection is that Dave used both the date of release or the date(s) a
song was on the chart as he saw fit, with the result that some songs did get
played in two different years.  But this was a rare occurrence.  I don't know
what charts were used or how this might effect deep album tracks that never
charted.  My opinion is to give a little leeway on this point, particularly
as I have taken it for some of my own 10@10 set creations.

This is why I gave Renee a little leeway at first in this regard, but my leeway stopped when it was clear that she and/or "the 10@10 committee" was doing this in just about every set, with no rhyme or reason, and regularly being up to 3 years off.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2013, 04:16:56 PM »
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I think here is okay.

Here's another attempt from me at sequencing a 10@10 set, this time 1984:

 1. The Jacksons with Mick Jagger - State Of Shock
 2. Van Halen - 1984 / Tina Turner - 1984
 3. Talk Talk - Renee (oh, the irony)
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KPIX report)
 4. John Lennon - I Don't Wanna Face It
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KTVU report)
 5. Julian Lennon - Well I Don't Know
(News: Linda McCartney London marijuana bust / Paul McCartney Barbados marijuana bust BBC report)
 6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)
 8. Chaka Khan - My Love Is Alive
(News: Tipper Gore likes Purple Rain album except for Darling Nikki)
 9. Prince and the Revolution - Darling Nikki
10. Joe Jackson and Elaine Caswell - Happy Ending ("it's '84 now")

https://soundcloud.com/capnjack-1/05-10-10-1984

If you listen, let me know what you think.

ETA: Taking this file down to add another.  If you want to listen to it, let me know, and I will reupload it.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2013, 07:40:28 PM »
6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)

hahahaha! There was also a Kershaw reference on the AT40 geek-board, re: they played "Wouldn't it Be Good" as an extra on this weekend's March 1984 chart, and they rarely play extras that never actually made the Top 40.

And of course the McCartney tune is one of my long-standing "wish list" entries for '84.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2013, 10:43:06 AM »
The one vertical tasting set I enjoyed was a Friday the 13th "Hits From Hell" edition.
I can't remember the exact setlist from that episode, but I do remember John Denver's
"Thank God I'm A Country Boy" was played.  ;D

5/13/05 - Oh No!!!  Friday the 13th!!!!  Today is a "Vertical Tasting" HITS FROM HELL!!!!

1. 1975 - John Denver - Thank God I'm a Country Boy
2. 1976 - Henry Gross - Shannon
3. 1977 - Leo Sayer - When I Need You
4. 1978 - Michael Zager Band - Let's All Chant
5. 1979 - Village People - In the Navy
6. 1980 - Air Supply - Lost in Love
7. 1981 - Sheena Easton - Morning Train
8. 1982 - Paul & Stevie - Ebony & Ivory
9. 1983 - Styx - Mr. Roboto
10.1984 - Kenny Loggins - Footloose

That's it!  :D

I taped every Friday the 13th episode of 10@10 I could during the Dave Morey era.
I have that episode lying around somewhere...

I archived quite a few 10@10s while I was living in SF, but one of the ones I really regret missing was the Christmas Hits From Hell set Dave did in 2002. It was truly great, and contained a number of songs that never appeared again, to my knowledge. Any chance you have that one?

Here's the list of what was included:
Singing Dogs   Jingle Bells
Barbara Streisand   Jingle Bells
anonymous   Christmas Macarena
Madonna   Santa Baby
Chipmunks   The Chipmunk Song
Bing Crosby & David Bowie   The Little Drummer Boy
Elmo & Patsy   Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer
Ray Stevens   Santa Claus Is Watching You!
Cheech & Chong   Santa Claus & His Old Lady
Bobby Goldsboro   Snuffy's Goodbye Song
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2013, 01:15:42 AM »
The one vertical tasting set I enjoyed was a Friday the 13th "Hits From Hell" edition.
I can't remember the exact setlist from that episode, but I do remember John Denver's
"Thank God I'm A Country Boy" was played.  ;D

5/13/05 - Oh No!!!  Friday the 13th!!!!  Today is a "Vertical Tasting" HITS FROM HELL!!!!

1. 1975 - John Denver - Thank God I'm a Country Boy
2. 1976 - Henry Gross - Shannon
3. 1977 - Leo Sayer - When I Need You
4. 1978 - Michael Zager Band - Let's All Chant
5. 1979 - Village People - In the Navy
6. 1980 - Air Supply - Lost in Love
7. 1981 - Sheena Easton - Morning Train
8. 1982 - Paul & Stevie - Ebony & Ivory
9. 1983 - Styx - Mr. Roboto
10.1984 - Kenny Loggins - Footloose

That's it!  :D

I taped every Friday the 13th episode of 10@10 I could during the Dave Morey era.
I have that episode lying around somewhere...

I archived quite a few 10@10s while I was living in SF, but one of the ones I really regret missing was the Christmas Hits From Hell set Dave did in 2002. It was truly great, and contained a number of songs that never appeared again, to my knowledge. Any chance you have that one?

Here's the list of what was included:
Singing Dogs   Jingle Bells
Barbara Streisand   Jingle Bells
anonymous   Christmas Macarena
Madonna   Santa Baby
Chipmunks   The Chipmunk Song
Bing Crosby & David Bowie   The Little Drummer Boy
Elmo & Patsy   Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer
Ray Stevens   Santa Claus Is Watching You!
Cheech & Chong   Santa Claus & His Old Lady
Bobby Goldsboro   Snuffy's Goodbye Song

I remember hearing that one, but I don't know for sure if I actually recorded it.  I'll have to look through my archives.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2013, 10:27:28 AM »
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I think here is okay.

Here's another attempt from me at sequencing a 10@10 set, this time 1984:

 1. The Jacksons with Mick Jagger - State Of Shock
 2. Van Halen - 1984 / Tina Turner - 1984
 3. Talk Talk - Renee (oh, the irony)
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KPIX report)
 4. John Lennon - I Don't Wanna Face It
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KTVU report)
 5. Julian Lennon - Well I Don't Know
(News: Linda McCartney London marijuana bust / Paul McCartney Barbados marijuana bust BBC report)
 6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)
 8. Chaka Khan - My Love Is Alive
(News: Tipper Gore likes Purple Rain album except for Darling Nikki)
 9. Prince and the Revolution - Darling Nikki
10. Joe Jackson and Elaine Caswell - Happy Ending ("it's '84 now")

https://soundcloud.com/capnjack-1/05-10-10-1984

If you listen, let me know what you think.

Listened to this one and your '79 effort yesterday. Both are really commendable efforts--your production skills are aces. These could easily pass for something that was actually aired--were it not for the more adventurous slate of tunes that DC et al would never venture to.  Also enjoyed the clip selection, although hearing both versions of Rock Against Reagan reports ran on a bit long; some judicious editing (as DM often did) would have tightened it up considerably. Also the Tipper Gore clip was not too clean, but I'm sure you'd have used a clearer-sounding one if it were available. Sound quality aside, I dug the segue.

Musically I enjoyed it quite a bit-- I honestly don't know the last time I heard either State of Shock or Tina's version of 1984.  And I don't think I'd ever heard the Chaka Khan cover of Love is Alive. However, for the average listener I think the set veered a little too far to the obscure (the '79 set fell victim to this more than this one; I'll address that in its thread).  Ideally I'd like to hear songs I knew back in the day and haven't heard since then. Several of these (Talk Talk, Julian Lennon, Nik Kershaw and the aforementioned Chaka Khan tune) I had no memory of, although I'm sure that's not the case for everyone.

In any case, I'm impressed with your efforts here. You obviously "get" the concept and are doing a better job of executing it than the folks who are getting paid for it at KFOG.  (If you want to reupload the '65 and '96 sets some time I'd love to give those a listen too. No rush, I don't always have time to listen while I work.)
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 11:22:02 AM »
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I think here is okay.

Here's another attempt from me at sequencing a 10@10 set, this time 1984:

 1. The Jacksons with Mick Jagger - State Of Shock
 2. Van Halen - 1984 / Tina Turner - 1984
 3. Talk Talk - Renee (oh, the irony)
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KPIX report)
 4. John Lennon - I Don't Wanna Face It
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KTVU report)
 5. Julian Lennon - Well I Don't Know
(News: Linda McCartney London marijuana bust / Paul McCartney Barbados marijuana bust BBC report)
 6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)
 8. Chaka Khan - My Love Is Alive
(News: Tipper Gore likes Purple Rain album except for Darling Nikki)
 9. Prince and the Revolution - Darling Nikki
10. Joe Jackson and Elaine Caswell - Happy Ending ("it's '84 now")

https://soundcloud.com/capnjack-1/05-10-10-1984

If you listen, let me know what you think.

I'm listening to it right now and it sounds awesome!  Great production, TOTHC & Ending, and of course I love that Nik Kershaw song.

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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2013, 02:40:44 PM »
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I think here is okay.

Here's another attempt from me at sequencing a 10@10 set, this time 1984:

 1. The Jacksons with Mick Jagger - State Of Shock
 2. Van Halen - 1984 / Tina Turner - 1984
 3. Talk Talk - Renee (oh, the irony)
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KPIX report)
 4. John Lennon - I Don't Wanna Face It
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KTVU report)
 5. Julian Lennon - Well I Don't Know
(News: Linda McCartney London marijuana bust / Paul McCartney Barbados marijuana bust BBC report)
 6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)
 8. Chaka Khan - My Love Is Alive
(News: Tipper Gore likes Purple Rain album except for Darling Nikki)
 9. Prince and the Revolution - Darling Nikki
10. Joe Jackson and Elaine Caswell - Happy Ending ("it's '84 now")

https://soundcloud.com/capnjack-1/05-10-10-1984

If you listen, let me know what you think.

I'm listening to it right now and it sounds awesome!  Great production, TOTHC & Ending, and of course I love that Nik Kershaw song.

I'm listening now, too!  great job again (I heard your 96 set, too.. which I liked)

kudos! 

ETA: That Chaka Khan song was completely NTM.  Anastacia does a version that is all diva disco, but I like the weird robot stylings of Chaka's here.  reminds me a bit of Nona Hendrix's Transformation, although with way more poppers.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2013, 03:50:05 PM »
Wasn't sure where to post this, but I think here is okay.

Here's another attempt from me at sequencing a 10@10 set, this time 1984:

 1. The Jacksons with Mick Jagger - State Of Shock
 2. Van Halen - 1984 / Tina Turner - 1984
 3. Talk Talk - Renee (oh, the irony)
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KPIX report)
 4. John Lennon - I Don't Wanna Face It
(News: Democratic National Convention / Rock Against Reagan protest KTVU report)
 5. Julian Lennon - Well I Don't Know
(News: Linda McCartney London marijuana bust / Paul McCartney Barbados marijuana bust BBC report)
 6. Paul McCartney - No More Lonely Nights
(Commercial: KFOG TV ad)
 7. Nik Kershaw - The Riddle (TANC, RGMike!)
 8. Chaka Khan - My Love Is Alive
(News: Tipper Gore likes Purple Rain album except for Darling Nikki)
 9. Prince and the Revolution - Darling Nikki
10. Joe Jackson and Elaine Caswell - Happy Ending ("it's '84 now")

https://soundcloud.com/capnjack-1/05-10-10-1984

If you listen, let me know what you think.

Listened to this one and your '79 effort yesterday. Both are really commendable efforts--your production skills are aces. These could easily pass for something that was actually aired--were it not for the more adventurous slate of tunes that DC et al would never venture to.  Also enjoyed the clip selection, although hearing both versions of Rock Against Reagan reports ran on a bit long; some judicious editing (as DM often did) would have tightened it up considerably. Also the Tipper Gore clip was not too clean, but I'm sure you'd have used a clearer-sounding one if it were available. Sound quality aside, I dug the segue.

Musically I enjoyed it quite a bit-- I honestly don't know the last time I heard either State of Shock or Tina's version of 1984.  And I don't think I'd ever heard the Chaka Khan cover of Love is Alive. However, for the average listener I think the set veered a little too far to the obscure (the '79 set fell victim to this more than this one; I'll address that in its thread).  Ideally I'd like to hear songs I knew back in the day and haven't heard since then. Several of these (Talk Talk, Julian Lennon, Nik Kershaw and the aforementioned Chaka Khan tune) I had no memory of, although I'm sure that's not the case for everyone.

In any case, I'm impressed with your efforts here. You obviously "get" the concept and are doing a better job of executing it than the folks who are getting paid for it at KFOG.  (If you want to reupload the '65 and '96 sets some time I'd love to give those a listen too. No rush, I don't always have time to listen while I work.)

Regarding the newsclips -- yes, I realized they went a bit long.  Comparing how news reports were back then to now, they went on and on!  As for the Tipper Gore one, I couldn't locate a clean soundbite of her commenting on Prince.  My other option was some sound from the PMRC hearings, but that was in 1985.

Originally, I had planned to use charting singles by Julian Lennon ("Valotte"), Nik Kershaw ("Wouldn't It Be Good"), and Chaka Khan ("I Feel For You"), but I think those were used in previous 10@10s.  I think the question for me was how to balance out the hit singles with album cuts / more obscure tracks as bustouts to keep things "fresh" -- the one thing I wanted to avoid was having any LNs.  With the Nik Kershaw and Chaka Khan songs I did use, consider them as "filled requests" ("The Riddle" for radical347 and RGMike, and "My Love Is Real" for RGMike).

I can reupload the '65 and '96 sets this weekend.  SoundCloud has a space limit, so I wanted to rotate some of the sets I have ready.
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Re: 10@10 in general
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2013, 09:20:27 PM »
CapnJack, I do plan on listening to one of your sets.... but it might be a couple of weeks before it happens. Sounds like you're living the dream, my friend!