The Prop 8 thread

[Tinka Cat]

American Idol, catalyst for change:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/20/MNM117NCD2.DTL

I know many of you despise Idol, and I can hardly blame you.  For me, guilty pleasure.  Adam, the more or less openly gay glam screamer, should win tonight.  The other finalist, Mrazzish pretty boy Kris, is a decent singer with boyish charm, so it's not a shoe in.  But Adam is something special, if not everyone's cup of tea.  Think Steven Tyler with a goth twist.

I'm tuning in now, and just saw this Adam guy -- and he is great. 
He just did a medley: started off singing Beth. The lyric "me and the boys will be playing ... all night"
took on that OTHER MEANING.  hehe...  then he brought Kiss out!  the did a bit of Detroit Rock City and RnR All Nite. 

[RGMike]

So I see (based on the Facebook posts I've read this morning) that Adam lost. 

"Idol" sucks, people. It always has. Stop watching the goddamn thing. A friend of mine posted this morning: "Adam Lambert = Sam Harris". LOL!  Adam will obviously have a career; the other guy will be the answer to a trivia question.  So chill already.

[Tinka Cat]

So I see (based on the Facebook posts I've read this morning) that Adam lost. 

"Idol" sucks, people. It always has. Stop watching the goddamn thing. A friend of mine posted this morning: "Adam Lambert = Sam Harris". LOL!  Adam will obviously have a career; the other guy will be the answer to a trivia question.  So chill already.

relax, bub.   you'll see no FB posts about Idol from me.  I wouldn't want ot be dead wrong in public.... just here..!

yes, it sucks, I haven't watched since sometime in season 2?  and I haven't watched any idol eps this year save for last night, and I must say it was worth it.  I mean, seeing Lionel Richie, Rod Stewart, Cyndi Lauper, KISS, etc. was ...  interesting.  Rod sounded awful and looks tipsy.  Lionel was great.  Cyndi perf'd her best song ("Time After Time") with some idol from the Christina Aguilera school of warbling. Many of those stars were hawking an upcoming release or tour, and they foerced them to perform with various "idol" candidates, which was mostly lame.   

 I gotta say I was worried about KISS teetering on those big-ass platform shoes, those guys aren't 25 anymore.  When Paul Stanley tried to break his guitar, I thought he might break a hip, too.  It's hard watching senior citizens do physical labor.

[Gazoo]

So I see (based on the Facebook posts I've read this morning) that Adam lost. 

"Idol" sucks, people. It always has. Stop watching the goddamn thing. A friend of mine posted this morning: "Adam Lambert = Sam Harris". LOL!  Adam will obviously have a career; the other guy will be the answer to a trivia question.  So chill already.

I've still never watched AI, but I read far more about this season than any previous one (including Time's weekly blog entries on it).  Not at all surprising to me that much of Middle America is still afraid of gay men, especially when they paint their fingernails.

[urth]

Bummed but not surprised at the way the ruling went. But at least they allowed the marriages that happened before Prop 8 to stand. The right thing to do.

[Gazoo]

Bummed but not surprised at the way the ruling went. But at least they allowed the marriages that happened before Prop 8 to stand. The right thing to do.

So the CA SC has justified that our civil rights are at the mercy of the people?  Highly disappointing.

[Tinka Cat]

My understanding of this decision wasn't whether Prop 8 discriminated against a protected class , but whether "voters had the right  to amend the state Constitution to solidify the definition of marriage as the union of a man and a woman." (from Chron article)

Another civil rights lawsuit could address this whole thing again very soon. and then we would see whether CA judges would rule based on CA civil rights.  I don't know if CA civil rights law would overturn it, though.  Ultimately it would head to the SCOTUS, where federal civil rights law would be applied. 

I'm no lawyer, but that situation -- grandfathered in same sex marriages are allowed to stand while new ones are prohibited -- seems a good basis to challenge, too

[Gazoo]

Marriage cannot, cannot, CANNOT be a civil rights issue.  Here's one reason why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

[RGMike]

And in other news from the world of hypocritical homophobes:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/CelebrityCafe/story?id=7640920&page=1

[Tinka Cat]

Marriage cannot, cannot, CANNOT be a civil rights issue.  Here's one reason why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

very sad.  So many eff-ed up things happening here.  The "anti-gay state" remark by the social worker, the lack of empathy from health care professionals...  freakin' florida.  

it's also an economic issue.  I believe certain tax benefits, for example, are afforded to married couples, correct?

[ggould]

coincidentally, we just finished watching the Milk DVD this weekend, and now this...
 

[Gazoo]

Marriage cannot, cannot, CANNOT be a civil rights issue.  Here's one reason why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

BTW, I meant STATES' rights, not civil rights, of course.  >thwack<

[ggould]

Marriage cannot, cannot, CANNOT be a civil rights issue.  Here's one reason why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

BTW, I meant STATES' rights, not civil rights, of course.  >thwack<

thanks for clarifying that; I was about to reply to your original post with confusion!  It's kind of like being Ebeneezer Scrooge, having to watch the barbaric treatment of fellow humans, as if through some sort of twisted looking glass.  How in creation can people be so cruel?  [cue the music]

[Tinka Cat]

Marriage cannot, cannot, CANNOT be a civil rights issue.  Here's one reason why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/health/19well.html

BTW, I meant STATES' rights, not civil rights, of course.  >thwack<

thanks for clarifying that; I was about to reply to your original post with confusion!  It's kind of like being Ebeneezer Scrooge, having to watch the barbaric treatment of fellow humans, as if through some sort of twisted looking glass.  How in creation can people be so cruel?  [cue the music]

heh, me too.  I was trying to parse Gaz's stmt and thought he felt that "civil" rights were manufactured by courts -- as opposed to natural or inalienable rights that just come naturally.  Like gravy when you cook a roast (anyone know which classic comedy movie I'm referring to w "gravy?").

[RGMike]

So I see (based on the Facebook posts I've read this morning) that Adam lost. 

"Idol" sucks, people. It always has. Stop watching the goddamn thing. A friend of mine posted this morning: "Adam Lambert = Sam Harris". LOL!  Adam will obviously have a career; the other guy will be the answer to a trivia question.  So chill already.

I've still never watched AI, but I read far more about this season than any previous one (including Time's weekly blog entries on it).  Not at all surprising to me that much of Middle America is still afraid of gay men, especially when they paint their fingernails.

Bill Maher's latest FB post:

America chose the slightly less gay guy to win American Idol. Because here in America our bitchy, fake-titted beauty queens have to be good Christians, and our crying guys who sing show tunes have to be all-man.