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Main Discussion Area => Stream of Consciousness => Topic started by: urth on November 29, 2005, 10:07:10 AM
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Sabbath, Miles Davis & the Pistols lead the class. Also Blondie and Skynyrd. Can't help but think there are a few others more deserving that are still on the outside looking in.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/11/28/entertainment/e072000S92.DTL&hw=Rock+roll+hall+of+fame&sn=001&sc=1000
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I know I posted the list of "eligibles" a few months back, but I can't remember which thread it was in.
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I know I posted the list of "eligibles" a few months back, but I can't remember which thread it was in.
Found it, it was in the concert thread:
Iggy and the Stooges
Sex Pistols
Blondie
Black Sabbath
Lynyrd Skynyrd,
John Mellencamp
J. Geils
Patti Smith Group
Chic
Cat Stevens
Joe Tex
Dave Clark Five
Paul Butterfield Band
Miles Davis
Sir Douglas Quintet
Still no Hollies, War, 3DN, Van halen....
Discuss!
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I know I posted the list of "eligibles" a few months back, but I can't remember which thread it was in.
Found it, it was in the concert thread:
Iggy and the Stooges
Sex Pistols
Blondie
Black Sabbath
Lynyrd Skynyrd,
John Mellencamp
J. Geils
Patti Smith Group
Chic
Cat Stevens
Joe Tex
Dave Clark Five
Paul Butterfield Band
Miles Davis
Sir Douglas Quintet
Still no Hollies, War, 3DN, Van halen....
Discuss!
Thanks, Rod! Little Steven will be grumbling about Iggy, Geils and the DC5, fer sure.
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I guess for me the biggest oversight is the Paul Butterfield Blues Band.
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Hey y'all, I'm off to Cleveland tomorrow on business, and if all goes well I'll have most of Wednesday afternoon to go to the Hall. Has anyone in our circle of friends been there before? I'm back late Wednesday night, will try to take some pix & give a summary.
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Hey y'all, I'm off to Cleveland tomorrow on business, and if all goes well I'll have most of Wednesday afternoon to go to the Hall. Has anyone in our circle of friends been there before? I'm back late Wednesday night, will try to take some pix & give a summary.
Back from Cleveland, where the temp was well below freezing & they had gotten 6" of snow the day before. Roads were clear though, so it was actually a not-too-bad winter experience. Had a nice time the first night going to a Cavaliers game with one of my customers who turned out to be a local born & raised, so he gave me a lot of interesting background.
Meetings yesterday morning went a little long but I still had about an hour and a half to spend at the Hall. Not enough time by any strecth of the imagination, at least not for denizens of this board. But still worth it. Architecturally the Hall is stunning (I. M. Pei designed it) and the interactive stuff is a lot of fun. They have a special exhibit on Tommy which I could have spent 2 hours on by itself, but after going through the main exhibit area in just under 1 hour (s.b. 2.5 if you have the time) I had less than 30 min to spend there. Photography is strictly prohibited, so sorry for not having any pix. 5 mintes in the gift shop & then I had to go turn in my rental & check-in. Glad I did it, but barely did it any justice. Can't wait to go back now.
Travel note: like most airports these days, Cleveland-Hopkins Int'l has an off-site car rental center with all the companies in one building. When I got there Tuesday I didn't have a reservation, figuring I could check around for the best deal. I mean how many people could be flying into Cleveland in mid-December? (my flight was less than half full, fer instance). Well joke's on me as I go from line to line and ask "Do you have any cars available?" Answer is always "No", and there is at least one other guy doing the same thing as me. We team up & finally are down to just Thrifty & Budget, he goes to the latter, I the former & we both get the same answer once again. "No cars, you'll have to wait until an extra car is returned, cleaned & gassed up." I can't wait that long, but by now the Budget people have no one else in line, so I go there to ask for advice on alternative sources of rental cars. The lady who had just told the other guy "No cars" 2 minutes earlier tells me, "Well, we do have a 12-passenger van, if you want that?" What the hell, price was acceptable so I took it, and spent the next 24 hrs driving around NE Ohio in a gigantic Ford van all by myself. Both of my meetings were well outside Cleveland (as in closer to Akron & Erie PA respectively) so I put some miles on. Each of my customers took one look at it & just laughed, but it beat being stranded at the Cleveland Airport Rental Center for hours.
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"They made deals in his rental van,
And that's all right with me ..."
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Joel Selvin on this years nominees:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/14/DDBITBMBD.DTL
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Joel Selvin on this years nominees:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/14/DDBITBMBD.DTL
I agree with him that the subcategories are an issue (disco, hip-hop) but he's woefully mis-informed about Chic and Donna Summer, they're hardly one-hit wonders, esp where Chic's producing of other artists is concerned.
I think the DC5 and JCM are more than deserving, as are the Hollies, who've been on the ballot for years.
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Joel Selvin on this years nominees:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/14/DDBITBMBD.DTL
I agree with him that the subcategories are an issue (disco, hip-hop) but he's woefully mis-informed about Chic and Donna Summer, they're hardly one-hit wonders, esp where Chic's producing of other artists is concerned.
I think the DC5 and JCM are more than deserving, as are the Hollies, who've been on the ballot for years.
I think it's needlessly narrow to dismiss hip-hop and disco because they're not "rock." Other subgenres are included -- funk, jazz, heavy metal -- so why not rap? And for that matter, what's wrong with pop? Selvin's idea of a music Hall is frighteningly white. He might as well shutter its doors now since there hasn't been a new RAWK band of any impoortance to come along in a few years.
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I think it's needlessly narrow to dismiss hip-hop and disco because they're not "rock." Other subgenres are included -- funk, jazz, heavy metal -- so why not rap? And for that matter, what's wrong with pop?
I agree with that statement, but at the same time -- don't call it the "Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame" if you're going to include everything under the sun. Semantics, yes, but you see what I mean. There are 50's R&B and country acts in the hall that influenced "Rock's" most fertile period, but I think critics (OK, middle-aged critics) look at, say, the Beastie Boys and think: "who did THEY influence? Kid Rock?" And yet there are deserving rock acts still not inducted. I think War belong in the Hall, and even 3DN, but Donna Summer, who I love... I dunno.
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I think it's needlessly narrow to dismiss hip-hop and disco because they're not "rock." Other subgenres are included -- funk, jazz, heavy metal -- so why not rap? And for that matter, what's wrong with pop?
I agree with that statement, but at the same time -- don't call it the "Rock'n'Roll Hall of fame" if you're going to include everything under the sun. Semantics, yes, but you see what I mean. There are 50's R&B and country acts in the hall that influenced "Rock's" most fertile period, but I think critics (OK, middle-aged critics) look at, say, the Beastie Boys and think: "who did THEY influence? Kid Rock?" And yet there are deserving rock acts still not inducted. I think War belong in the Hall, and even 3DN, but Donna Summer, who I love... I dunno.
Then it ought to be renamed The Popular Music Hall of Fame; I don't see any particularly strong reason to privilege rock over the other forms. And seriously, if "Rock" is what it's all about, there will be no one left to induct in a few years except Nirvana, Pearl Jam, maybe Wilco, and maybe maybe Melissa Etheridge and Pat Benatar.
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And seriously, if "Rock" is what it's all about, there will be no one left to induct in a few years except Nirvana, Pearl Jam, maybe Wilco, and maybe maybe Melissa Etheridge and Pat Benatar.
well Benatar is already eligible, but I agree with your point. I have often wondered who will be inducted in 2020, probably Green Day and then what? Offspring? 311? Sublime? Beck? Nobody sustains a career anymore. Seriously.
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Well, the rockists and racists got their wish: Nearly all the white acts nominated got in (Madonna, JCM, DC5, Ventures, Leonard Cohen) and none of the black acts (Chic, Donna Summer, Afrika Bambaataa). Purity rules! ::)
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(PS: OTOH, Gamble and Huff are receiving a "non-performers" induction.)
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Well, the rockists and racists got their wish: Nearly all the white acts nominated got in (Madonna, JCM, DC5, Ventures, Leonard Cohen) and none of the black acts (Chic, Donna Summer, Afrika Bambaataa). Purity rules! ::)
wow, talk about hyperbole...
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Well, the rockists and racists got their wish: Nearly all the white acts nominated got in (Madonna, JCM, DC5, Ventures, Leonard Cohen) and none of the black acts (Chic, Donna Summer, Afrika Bambaataa). Purity rules! ::)
Joel Selvin got his wish. No black acts got in (calling Summer a "one hit wonder" despite getting past the disco era successfully shows his bias).
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This year's nominees announced:
Run-D.M.C. could "Walk This Way" into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The 1980s rap act, along with Metallica and the Stooges are among the nine nominees for next year's hall of fame class, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation announced Monday. The other nominees are guitarist Jeff Beck, singer Wanda Jackson, Little Anthony and the Imperials, War, Bobby Womack, and disco and R&B group Chic, the only nominee back from last year's ballot.
(Five of the nine will make the cut)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/22/entertainment/e080422D21.DTL&tsp=1
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Rock HOF: Stevie Ray Vaughan first-year eligibility and not nominated!!! Add'l article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C)
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Rock HOF: Stevie Ray Vaughan first-year eligibility and not nominated!!! Add'l article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C)
I think the R'n'R HOF has now entered the 'mature' territory in which they've covered most of the obvious choices and now are spending their time backfilling. To me the big news is that War finally got a nom. I have no problem with SRV waiting his turn until both War & the Doobies (still awaiting their nom) get in.
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Rock HOF: Stevie Ray Vaughan first-year eligibility and not nominated!!! Add'l article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C)
I think the R'n'R HOF has now entered the 'mature' territory in which they've covered most of the obvious choices and now are spending their time backfilling. To me the big news is that War finally got a nom. I have no problem with SRV waiting his turn until both War & the Doobies (still awaiting their nom) get in.
Agreed, to which I'd add the Hollies and Johnny Rivers. But the SRV is a bit of a shocker, if only because we know how HOF voters (in whatever field) love dead people.
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Not in Rock HOF: Yes, Moody Blues, Steve Miller, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Brian Eno, Gram Parsons, Chicago, Tom Waits, ELO, ELP, Jethro Tull, Alice Cooper, Joe Cocker, Todd Rundgren, Cat Stevens, Boz Scaggs, Kiss, Rush, Neil Diamond, Monkees, Blood Sweat & Tears, 3 Dog Night, Turtles, Tina Turner ...
And, did you notice last sentence in below article, "For the first time ever, tickets to the event (Induction April 4) will be made available to the public."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF)
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Rock HOF: Stevie Ray Vaughan first-year eligibility and not nominated!!! Add'l article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUdpr5NdI9lIBMCEnHL8C)
I think the R'n'R HOF has now entered the 'mature' territory in which they've covered most of the obvious choices and now are spending their time backfilling. To me the big news is that War finally got a nom. I have no problem with SRV waiting his turn until both War & the Doobies (still awaiting their nom) get in.
Agreed, to which I'd add the Hollies and Johnny Rivers. But the SRV is a bit of a shocker, if only because we know how HOF voters (in whatever field) love dead people.
Yep, dying is often the best thing you can do for your career.
I'm also surprised Ringo didn't get nommed for 2009. Solo Beatles have been getting inducted precisely every five years - John in 1994, Paul in 1999, and George in 2004. Of course 2 out of the 3 were dead at the time, so...
But seriously, what the heck is the Rock Hall gonna be doing in about 5 more years? I defy anyone to give me a full slate of 9 worthy induction nominees whose careers got started from 1988 onwards, much less full slates at the rate of one per year. From here on out I think the hall will be almost exclusively backfilling.
For instance, right now in 2008 it is only 10 more years until artists who got started in 1993 are eligible. I can't think of any prior inductee (ETA: other than Bonnie Raitt) whose nomination depended on work in the last decade before their eligilibility, as compared with their work done in the first 15 years of that 25 year period. So there's every reason to think that we should have a pretty good idea of who should get in from the class of 1993. Other than maybe Green Day is there anyone not just from 1993 but from the entire rest of the 90's? I think 1992 was really the last year - with Pearl Jam & Nirvana - that any artists popped up who are slam dunks for induction (or reasonably close to a slam dunk anyway).
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Not in Rock HOF: Yes, Moody Blues, Steve Miller, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Brian Eno, Gram Parsons, Chicago, Tom Waits, ELO, ELP, Jethro Tull, Alice Cooper, Joe Cocker, Todd Rundgren, Cat Stevens, Boz Scaggs, Kiss, Rush, Neil Diamond, Monkees, Blood Sweat & Tears, 3 Dog Night, Turtles, Tina Turner ...
And, did you notice last sentence in below article, "For the first time ever, tickets to the event (Induction April 4) will be made available to the public."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF)
The Dave Clark 5 got in before the Moodies!? Can we blame these balloting irregularities on Diebold? It IS Ohio afterall. ;) ;) ;)
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Not in Rock HOF: Yes, Moody Blues, Steve Miller, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Willie Nelson, Brian Eno, Gram Parsons, Chicago, Tom Waits, ELO, ELP, Jethro Tull, Alice Cooper, Joe Cocker, Todd Rundgren, Cat Stevens, Boz Scaggs, Kiss, Rush, Neil Diamond, Monkees, Blood Sweat & Tears, 3 Dog Night, Turtles, Tina Turner ...
And, did you notice last sentence in below article, "For the first time ever, tickets to the event (Induction April 4) will be made available to the public."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF (http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20080922/en_top_eo/30219;_ylt=A0WTUeyx6ddIeMEAiQCYExkF)
The Dave Clark 5 got in before the Moodies!? Can we blame these balloting irregularities on Diebold? It IS Ohio afterall. ;) ;) ;)
well, it's the Rock'n'roll HOF, not the ProgRock HOF ;) I certainly think the Moodies deserve enshrinement, but I think the DC5 should've been in a LOT sooner than last year.
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I'm becoming more and more convinced of the need to rename it from the "Rock & Roll" HOF to something more neutral. "The Popular Music" HOF would be more accurate, but the name lacks punch. But something has to happen since, as you guys have noted, there have been almost no significant rock bands debuting from '92 on. Future enshrinees will come largely from R&B and hip-hop: Tupac, Biggie, Dr. Dre, Jay-Z, Missy Elliot, Eminem. The only rock act with a chance - and I cringe at saying this - is Sheryl Crow.
Having said that, I am delighted that War is finally on the ballot, and I don't take back my comment from last year on the "rockists and racists."
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Perhaps Ringo can get into this other HOF, for his work in "Caveman" ;)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922/ap_en_ot/advertising_walk_of_fame_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922/ap_en_ot/advertising_walk_of_fame_1)
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The only rock act with a chance - and I cringe at saying this - is Sheryl Crow.
I'm probably the closest thing to a Sheryl Crow fan on this board, and even I cringe at that thought.
all i wanna do is have some fun
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The only rock act with a chance - and I cringe at saying this - is Sheryl Crow.
I'm probably the closest thing to a Sheryl Crow fan on this board, and even I cringe at that thought.
all i wanna do is have some fun
well, if everybody she's slept with votes, she's a shoo-in!
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Nominees: Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
ETA: Nominees. My mistake. I read it wrong on a Yahoo blog. Thought it was the inductees.
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1871810,00.html?cnn=yes
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/61966064
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Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1871810,00.html?cnn=yes
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/61966064
I didn't read the article, but that looks like the entire list of nominees. Did anyone get nommed & miss the cut?
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Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
Well, *finally* War makes it in. And hooray for Bobby W! Still no Hollies, though...
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Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
Well, *finally* War makes it in. And hooray for Bobby W! Still no Hollies, though...
Actually no. Must have been a cut & paste error by SFGuy. Chic, Stooges & War did NOT get in, and Wanda Jackson gets in only as "an early influence". I generally feel that they should all get in* but not sure I agree about Beck, as he's already in a Yardbird.
*unlike sports halls of fame, I have no idea what sort of 'standard' you'd be lowering to have all these R'n'R nominees get in.
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Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
Well, *finally* War makes it in. And hooray for Bobby W! Still no Hollies, though...
Actually no. Must have been a cut & paste error by SFGuy. Chic, Stooges & War did NOT get in, and Wanda Jackson gets in only as "an early influence". I generally feel that they should all get in* but not sure I agree about Beck, as he's already in a Yardbird.
*unlike sports halls of fame, I have no idea what sort of 'standard' you'd be lowering to have all these R'n'R nominees get in.
Incredible that the Stooges aren't already in, let alone having missed the cut again this year. I'd bet there are a number of folks second-guessing their votes in the wake of Ron Asheton's death. I would not be surprised if next year they're a shoo-in.
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Sorry to see that they stopped the War. (Couldn't resist.) Next year I'll continue urging for them, the Monkees, and Three Dog Night - and will start urging for Sade.
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Jeff Beck; Chic; Wanda Jackson; Little Anthony & the Imperials; Metallica; Run D.M.C; the Stooges; War; and Bobby Womack.
Well, *finally* War makes it in. And hooray for Bobby W! Still no Hollies, though...
Actually no. Must have been a cut & paste error by SFGuy. Chic, Stooges & War did NOT get in, and Wanda Jackson gets in only as "an early influence". I generally feel that they should all get in* but not sure I agree about Beck, as he's already in a Yardbird.
*unlike sports halls of fame, I have no idea what sort of 'standard' you'd be lowering to have all these R'n'R nominees get in.
Oops sorry. Those were the nominees.
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Next year I'll ... start urging for Sade.
Is there a lounge HOF? ;) I love her, really, but Rock'n'Roll? even less so than any of the disco or hip-hop acts we've argued for previously. Might as well nominate Kenny G. They really need to change the name of the thing.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
I'm not being ironic! I seriously think Sade was (were?) important in the development of popular music, and "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is inaccurate in reflecting the contributions made by artists working outside the rock milieu.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
I'm not being ironic! I seriously think Sade was (were?) important in the development of popular music, and "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is inaccurate in reflecting the contributions made by artists working outside the rock milieu.
OK now you're losing me... Again, I like her a lot but "important in the development of popular music" is overdoing it -- gee, if it weren't for Sade we wouldn't have... Basia!
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
I'm not being ironic! I seriously think Sade was (were?) important in the development of popular music, and "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is inaccurate in reflecting the contributions made by artists working outside the rock milieu.
OK now you're losing me... Again, I like her a lot but "important in the development of popular music" is overdoing it -- gee, if it weren't for Sade we wouldn't have... Basia!
I can see Gaz's point, and pretty much agree. Is Billie Holliday in as an early influence? I think so. Then who could she have been an influence on, if not Sade? So I don't think the Kenny G comparison is apt.
And I know you were being sarcastic, but Basia predated Sade by a few years in Matt Bianco before going solo.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
I'm not being ironic! I seriously think Sade was (were?) important in the development of popular music, and "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is inaccurate in reflecting the contributions made by artists working outside the rock milieu.
OK now you're losing me... Again, I like her a lot but "important in the development of popular music" is overdoing it -- gee, if it weren't for Sade we wouldn't have... Basia!
I can see Gaz's point, and pretty much agree. Is Billie Holliday in as an early influence? I think so. Then who could she have been an influence on, if not Sade? So I don't think the Kenny G comparison is apt.
And I know you were being sarcastic, but Basia predated Sade by a few years in Matt Bianco before going solo.
well...no. Early influences should definitely be in there, but Sade doesn't get in just because Billie Holliday influenced her. By that logic Madelyn Peyroux gets in too. Sorry, I'm just not following that.
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They really need to change the name of the thing.
You just seized on the point I'm trying to make.
Sorry, I sometimes miss irony without emoticons.
I'm not being ironic! I seriously think Sade was (were?) important in the development of popular music, and "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" is inaccurate in reflecting the contributions made by artists working outside the rock milieu.
OK now you're losing me... Again, I like her a lot but "important in the development of popular music" is overdoing it -- gee, if it weren't for Sade we wouldn't have... Basia!
I can see Gaz's point, and pretty much agree. Is Billie Holliday in as an early influence? I think so. Then who could she have been an influence on, if not Sade? So I don't think the Kenny G comparison is apt.
And I know you were being sarcastic, but Basia predated Sade by a few years in Matt Bianco before going solo.
well...no. Early influences should definitely be in there, but Sade doesn't get in just because Billie Holliday influenced her. By that logic Madelyn Peyroux gets in too. Sorry, I'm just not following that.
I think Mark was just trying to direct traffic away from the "Sade = Kenny G b/c they both are lite" accident. I'll reiterate: I think the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame needs to be redubbed something on the order of the Popular Music Hall of Fame and that it should reflect the best of all pop-music genres, from rock to pop to R&B to heavy metal to jazz to funk to country to quiet storm. Sade was, IMHO, the best of her/their class.
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Bob Shannon just interviewed Little Anthony on WLNG -- damn, he's pushing 70 and sounds like a kid. And then Shannon played Anthony's cover of Neil Sedaka's "The Diary", NTM are quite superior to the orig IMHO.
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Nominees for the 2010 Rock Hall of Fame include Kiss, Abba, Hollies, Donna Summer, Genesis, the Stooges, LL Cool J and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Article in Billboard:
http://www.billboard.com/news/kiss-genesis-chili-peppers-among-nominees-1004014961.story#/news/kiss-genesis-chili-peppers-among-nominees-1004014961.story
Article in Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/23/red-hot-chili-peppers-ll-cool-j-kiss-lead-2010-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees/
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Announced this morning (so Kiss, Donna Summer, Red Hot Chili Peps didn't make this cut).
ABBA, Genesis among Rock Hall inductees
CLEVELAND – The 1970s Swedish pop group ABBA is dancing its way into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, The Hollies and The Stooges.
The list of the next class of inductees was released Tuesday by the hall, which is based in Cleveland.
ABBA — whose hits included "Dancing Queen" — and the Stooges made it in this time after being nominated previously but then not making the cut.
The rock hall also has announced that an award for non-performers will go to music industry executive David Geffen, the songwriting teams of Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil and Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry, and individual songwriters Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman and Otis Blackwell.
The 25th annual induction ceremony is scheduled for March 15 in New York City.
On the Net: http://www.rockhall.com/induction2010/
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Finally! The Hollies! I am most thrilled about that. Maybe next year 3DN and Johnny Rivers?
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Wow, they're giving the Brill Building songwriters big play this year--five of the seven songwriters inducted sprung from its halls. Can I assume that since Mort Shuman is being inducted as a solo that Doc Pomus is already in? And it's too bad Ellie Greenwich didn't live to be inducted either.
As Mike said, big props for the Hollies' induction. They're finally getting paid back, with interest!
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Wow, they're giving the Brill Building songwriters big play this year--five of the seven songwriters inducted sprung from its halls. Can I assume that since Mort Shuman is being inducted as a solo that Doc Pomus is already in? And it's too bad Ellie Greenwich didn't live to be inducted either.
As Mike said, big props for the Hollies' induction. They're finally getting paid back, with interest!
yes, for too long they've been King Midas in reverse when it came to the HoF.. ;D
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interesting/amusing LA Times piece on why the RnRHoF shouldn't ignore prog rock. DUDE!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/06/DDHM1BD7UO.DTL
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interesting/amusing LA Times piece on why the RnRHoF shouldn't ignore prog rock. DUDE!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/06/DDHM1BD7UO.DTL
tee hee! the Rush fans are out in force in the comments.. (well, a small force so far)
trxlt
1/6/2010 8:20:47 AM
I think a case can be made for Rush to make the HOF. Like Genesis, they were a prog band at first, but then dropped the excess and became strictly a rock band.
flappy
1/6/2010 10:44:03 AM
I'd vote for Rush. Dude!
obamania
1/6/2010 10:06:54 AM
Rush belongs in the Hall.
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Rock HoF nominees announced: Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, J Geils Band, Donovan, Dr John, Neil Diamond, Donna Summer, Beastie Boys, Tom Waits, Chic, Joe Tex, LL Cool J, Darlene Love:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/09/28/entertainment/e073409D81.DTL&tsp=1
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A short video report featured on today's yahoo:
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's biggest snubs: While one musician has been inducted three times, some artists are still waiting for their invitation: http://whoknew.news.yahoo.com/?nc&vid=23485158
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A short video report featured on today's yahoo:
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's biggest snubs: While one musician has been inducted three times, some artists are still waiting for their invitation: http://whoknew.news.yahoo.com/?nc&vid=23485158
"Hello! Hooray! Let the show begin, I've been Elected."
Congrats, Alice!
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A short video report featured on today's yahoo:
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's biggest snubs: While one musician has been inducted three times, some artists are still waiting for their invitation: http://whoknew.news.yahoo.com/?nc&vid=23485158
"Hello! Hooray! Let the show begin, I've been Elected."
Congrats, Alice!
I guess Cleveland's not ready for LL's six pack abs! Haha ;)
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Here's an online petition to induct Big Star into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame:
http://www.petitiononline.com/bigstar/petition.html
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Elton John, Paul Simon, Neil Young among Rock Hall presenters
(02-08) 05:31 PST NEW YORK, (AP) -- Elton John recently made an album with his longtime idol, Leon Russell. Now he'll do the induction honors when Russell is ushered into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next month. Russell and John are up for a Grammy award for their work on the joint album "The Union."
John won't be the only Rock and Roll Hall of Famer honoring the 2011 class on March 14.
Paul Simon will induct Neil Diamond, and Neil Young will induct Tom Waits.
Also, Rob Zombie will induct Alice Cooper while John Legend will induct Dr. John. And Bette Midler will pay tribute to Darlene Love. John Densmore of The Doors will induct Elektra Records founder Jac Holzman.
The induction ceremony will be in New York City and will air March 20 on the Fuse network.
Online: www.rockhall.com
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Carole King would have been a better inductee of Mr. Diamond. Or Micky Dolenz.
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This year's nominees:
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
The Cure
Heart
The Faces/Small Faces
Donovan
Beastie Boys
War
Guns n' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Freddie King
The Spinners
Laura Nyro
Eric B. & Rakim
Rufus with Chaka Khan
Donna Summer
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my votes:
This year's nominees:
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - No
The Cure - No
Heart - No
The Faces/Small Faces - HELLYES
Donovan - YES
Beastie Boys - No
War - Hmmm
Guns n' Roses - No
Red Hot Chili Peppers - No
Freddie King - Yes?
The Spinners - YES
Laura Nyro - No?
Eric B. & Rakim - No
Rufus with Chaka Khan - No
Donna Summer - No
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I’d vote for the Cure, Donovan, the Beasties, RHCP, Spinners, and Donna Summer.
G-n-R... seriously?
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"Paid In Full" might very well be my all-time fave hip-hop song, but I don't think Eric B. & Rakim belong in the HOF.
Yes to Small Faces, Heart, The Cure, Donna Summer & The Beastie Boys.
Hell to the no to RHCP.
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my votes:
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - No
Dude, Little Steven is gonna put on his Sopranos make-up and kick your ass.
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Hell to the no to RHCP.
But without them, what would David Duchovny have called his show?
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Hell to the no to RHCP.
But without them, what would David Duchovny have called his show?
Hey-oh... lissen what sundaygal say-oh.
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Hell to the no to RHCP.
But without them, what would David Duchovny have called his show?
Hey-oh... lissen what sundaygal say-oh.
At today's Rate Hearing, I suggested (amongst co-workers) that "Dani California" should be played as our 'state anthem'. I wasn't serious.
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The list is out. Good news: The Faces made it in, albeit tied to their predecessors Small Faces, which really was an completely different band that just shared a few members. Bad news: So did GnR and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Thus reducing the HOF's credibility even further.
Full story here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/12/06/national/a233232S57.DTL&tsp=1
I'm a bit surprised the Cure didn't get in, and disappointed the Spinners didn't.
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The list is out. Good news: The Faces made it in, albeit tied to their predecessors Small Faces, which really was an completely different band that just shared a few members. Bad news: So did GnR and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Thus reducing the HOF's credibility even further.
Full story here:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/12/06/national/a233232S57.DTL&tsp=1
I'm a bit surprised the Cure didn't get in, and disappointed the Spinners didn't.
I can see RHCP (sorry Sunday) but G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
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G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
Guns N Roses is one of my all-time favorite bands. They're the closest thing to an American Led Zeppelin. Plus, Slash seems like a real human being on FB. Yay!
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Also, yay Beastie Boys! Should've been in on the first ballot, but I'm glad they're in now.
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G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
Guns N Roses is one of my all-time favorite bands. They're the closest thing to an American Led Zeppelin. Plus, Slash seems like a real human being on FB. Yay!
That's pretty much my take, as well. If I had been a teenager in the mid to late 80's, they would have been my Led Zeppelin. Plus, they were a "real" rock'n'roll band, warts and all (excess may not be rebellion, but it is rock and roll, in this context).
Still, I would have voted in The Cure, first.
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G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
Guns N Roses is one of my all-time favorite bands. They're the closest thing to an American Led Zeppelin. Plus, Slash seems like a real human being on FB. Yay!
That's pretty much my take, as well. If I had been a teenager in the mid to late 80's, they would have been my Led Zeppelin. Plus, they were a "real" rock'n'roll band, warts and all (excess may not be rebellion, but it is rock and roll, in this context).
Still, I would have voted in The Cure, first.
I think my issue is that G-n-R's active career really wasn't very long. A couple of memorable classics, sure, but didn't they really only release three albums prior to their hiatus? Sort of like Sandy Koufax and the Baseball HOF, if his career was half as long.
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G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
Guns N Roses is one of my all-time favorite bands. They're the closest thing to an American Led Zeppelin. Plus, Slash seems like a real human being on FB. Yay!
That's pretty much my take, as well. If I had been a teenager in the mid to late 80's, they would have been my Led Zeppelin. Plus, they were a "real" rock'n'roll band, warts and all (excess may not be rebellion, but it is rock and roll, in this context).
Still, I would have voted in The Cure, first.
I think my issue is that G-n-R's active career really wasn't very long. A couple of memorable classics, sure, but didn't they really only release three albums prior to their hiatus? Sort of like Sandy Koufax and the Baseball HOF, if his career was half as long.
IE, so many of the best American bands had very short shelf lives: Velvet Underground, Big Star, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix Experience (part British, I know), Big Brother and the Holding Company, for eXample. You'd be excluding a lot of great acts if longevity was a necessity.
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G-n-R getting in is definitely a sham.
Guns N Roses is one of my all-time favorite bands. They're the closest thing to an American Led Zeppelin. Plus, Slash seems like a real human being on FB. Yay!
That's pretty much my take, as well. If I had been a teenager in the mid to late 80's, they would have been my Led Zeppelin. Plus, they were a "real" rock'n'roll band, warts and all (excess may not be rebellion, but it is rock and roll, in this context).
Still, I would have voted in The Cure, first.
I think my issue is that G-n-R's active career really wasn't very long. A couple of memorable classics, sure, but didn't they really only release three albums prior to their hiatus? Sort of like Sandy Koufax and the Baseball HOF, if his career was half as long.
IE, so many of the best American bands had very short shelf lives: Velvet Underground, Big Star, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix Experience (part British, I know), Big Brother and the Holding Company, for eXample. You'd be excluding a lot of great acts if longevity was a necessity.
You're right of course. The acts you name are from my childhood or before, so I think of them as being before my time. Guns-n-Roses, on the other hand, had their heyday entirely within the time I was in college, which may explain why I would put them on par with voting Mark Fidrych for the HOF.
I suppose I should read up on what theoretically makes a R-n-R HOFer. I am probably thinking about this way too hard.
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Axl won't be showing up this weekend...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/11/entertainment/e141413D92.DTL&tsp=1
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Resurrecting another aged thread to post this:
http://rockhall.com/inductees/
Seems like the list of inductees this year is focused on catching up on some of the acts that have been skipped over in past years. I'd say Yes is probably a good bet, now that Chris Squire is dead, and probably the Cars and Chicago. I'd love to see Los Lobos make it, but that might be wishful thinking.
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Resurrecting another aged thread to post this:
http://rockhall.com/inductees/
Seems like the list of inductees this year is focused on catching up on some of the acts that have been skipped over in past years. I'd say Yes is probably a good bet, now that Chris Squire is dead, and probably the Cars and Chicago. I'd love to see Los Lobos make it, but that might be wishful thinking.
As I noted in 'snipeland, all the "old" acts are artists you're shocked aren't already in. With the success of Straight Outta Compton, I have to assume NWA are a shoo-in.
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Resurrecting another aged thread to post this:
http://rockhall.com/inductees/
Seems like the list of inductees this year is focused on catching up on some of the acts that have been skipped over in past years. I'd say Yes is probably a good bet, now that Chris Squire is dead, and probably the Cars and Chicago. I'd love to see Los Lobos make it, but that might be wishful thinking.
As I noted in 'snipeland, all the "old" acts are artists you're shocked aren't already in. With the success of Straight Outta Compton, I have to assume NWA are a shoo-in.
It does seem like a lot of this year's list of nominees is by way of doing a bit of house-cleaning, catching up with a lot of acts that were fairly popular in their day and should have been in long ago (Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, the Cars, etc. etc.). Given that, I think the only hope Los Lobos has, say, is if they're more popular with the voters than they ever were with the general public.
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Resurrecting another aged thread to post this:
http://rockhall.com/inductees/
Seems like the list of inductees this year is focused on catching up on some of the acts that have been skipped over in past years. I'd say Yes is probably a good bet, now that Chris Squire is dead, and probably the Cars and Chicago. I'd love to see Los Lobos make it, but that might be wishful thinking.
As I noted in 'snipeland, all the "old" acts are artists you're shocked aren't already in. With the success of Straight Outta Compton, I have to assume NWA are a shoo-in.
It does seem like a lot of this year's list of nominees is by way of doing a bit of house-cleaning, catching up with a lot of acts that were fairly popular in their day and should have been in long ago (Yes, Deep Purple, Chicago, the Cars, etc. etc.). Given that, I think the only hope Los Lobos has, say, is if they're more popular with the voters than they ever were with the general public.
A friend-of-a-friend on FB said that the voting process for RnRHoF is as corrupt as it gets -- it's basically whoever Jann Wenner wants; while Ahmet Ehrtegun was alive he was able to rein Wenner in to some extent but now that he's gone Wenner rules. And if Wenner has a grudge against you, you're toast.
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They've released the list for 2016:
Deep Purple
Chicago
Cheap Trick (!)
Steve Miller
NWA (it's amazing what a feature film can do for one's electability)
And Yes? No.
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They've released the list for 2016:
Chicago
I heard the odds of them making it in were 25 (OR 6) TO 4.
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They've released the list for 2016:
Chicago
I heard the odds of them making it in were 25 (OR 6) TO 4.
Heh.