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Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:00:08 AM
not my favorite Steve Winwood song.
Title: Re: 1981 on Tuesday
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:01:10 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
not my favorite Steve Winwood song.


That's because it's Santana covering Russ Ballard... :wink:
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:01:12 AM
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


i like it. tho i know it's cheesy.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:05:24 AM
superfreak sounds nice on kfog!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:05:27 AM
Alicat, if she's not here yet, gives a proxy BOS from Room 714.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


i like it. tho i know it's cheesy.


Me too, I remember playing Ballard's original version in '77 on my college station. He had written a hit for Hot Chocolate ("So You Win Again") which made me a fan of his.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
a hit for Hot Chocolate ("So You Win Again") which made me a fan of his.


Hot Chocolate for a little while really almost rivalled Three Dog Night as trash-singles acts go, doesn't it seem in hindsight?
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


I wanted to call it "I'm Whinging"

(but Beej, pass me the tambourine, eh?)
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:08:48 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


I wanted to call it "I'm Whinging"


just don't call it "I'm WingDing", 'cause it's "Spring Break" now.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:10:27 AM
Clapton running neck and neck with Santana in the sleepwalking sweepstakes.  At least "I Can't Stand It" has a better refrain.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


I wanted to call it "I'm Whinging"


just don't call it "I'm WingDing", 'cause it's "Spring Break" now.


maybe that's what "spring break" is screaming:
"don't you think i've changed
'cause i'm still the same
you can bring your kids
and drink cheap champagne
great america rules
'cause they've got cool rides
if you act real nice
they'll let you inside!

i'm wingding..."

i'll spare you all the potstickers song i wrote to the tune of "hot-blooded" while i was cooking last night.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:11:36 AM
VHM to the Stones.  As far as I'm concerned this was a major comeback record for them.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:12:31 AM
"Pot-stickers! Eat 'em and see
You'll geta  fever of 103..."
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:12:50 AM
early bos to the stones!!

"i'm not waiting on a lady!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
"Pot-stickers! Eat 'em and see
You'll geta  fever of 103..."


ha! sort of

potstickers! cook 'em and see
at a temperature of three-hundred-three
come on, baby, won't you grease me a pan?
potstickers! potstickers!

you don't have to read the side
to see what they have inside...

...now it's up to you
we could make a gyoza rendezvous!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:15:30 AM
when the stones song began, i thought it was aztec camera doing "jump!"

yay for hall and oates! get yer clappin' hands ready!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:16:21 AM
RGMike squeals with delight at H&O's "Private Eyes."

BTW, 50 Cents bodyguard was apparently shot a few blocks from my apartment last night.  Fiddy said some rude things at the Hot 97 studio and things got, well, hot.

P.S.  Who was the sax on the Stones track?
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Quote from: "RGMike"
a hit for Hot Chocolate ("So You Win Again") which made me a fan of his.


Hot Chocolate for a little while really almost rivalled Three Dog Night as trash-singles acts go, doesn't it seem in hindsight?


Absolutely. Especially when you hear all the UK hits that didn't really make it over here.  Just fab.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
RGMike squeals with delight at H&O's "Private Eyes."

BTW, 50 Cents bodyguard was apparently shot a few blocks from my apartment last night.  Fiddy said some rude things at the Hot 97 studio and things got, well, hot.

P.S.  Who was the sax on the Stones track?


would you believe...Sonny Rollins!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: urth on March 01, 2005, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
VHM to the Stones.  As far as I'm concerned this was a major comeback record for them.


It really was, even though it had only been three years since Some Girls, their previous major comeback record. But Emotional Rescue was so lousy they needed a record like Tattoo You to rally the fans. And it did so quite handily: Neighbors, Little T&A, Black Limousine, Slave, and Hang Fire, all rocked my world that year.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
RGMike squeals with delight at H&O's "Private Eyes."

BTW, 50 Cents bodyguard was apparently shot a few blocks from my apartment last night.  Fiddy said some rude things at the Hot 97 studio and things got, well, hot.

P.S.  Who was the sax on the Stones track?


Fitty said rude things? NO!

Speaking of rude, BOS Ms Midler -- showing Chris Rock how it's really done.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:20:43 AM
BOS to what Dave should have segued into, the most effectively manipulative song of all time, "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)."  They just don't write 'em like that anymore, indeed.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:21:42 AM
VHM to Greg Kihn, he really did know how to craft a guitar hook or two back in the day.

But I still can't get over the fact that a couple of July 4ths ago, when KUFX did their Top 500 of All Time Countdown, this song allegedly was voted #7 (!)
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"

Speaking of rude, BOS Ms Midler -- showing Chris Rock how it's really done.


How ya like it so far, KIDS?
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:22:38 AM
Dave channels POC's Foreigner spirit.  VHM to Junior Walker on the second guest sax spot of the day!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
BOS to what Dave should have segued into, the most effectively manipulative song of all time, "Arthur's Theme (Best That You Can Do)."  They just don't write 'em like that anymore, indeed.


true, true. i'll have it stuck in my head for the rest of the day (gladly). though i enjoyed the "they don't write 'em like that anymore" song. i can never remember who that is.

here's my foreigner!

potstickers must be cooked with urgency!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:23:27 AM
Well, it ain't "Hot-Blooded", but VHM to Jr Walker's sax on "Urgent".
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Dave channels POC's Foreigner spirit.  VHM to Junior Walker on the second guest sax spot of the day!


yes, this was the song i was thinking of for a split second when you asked who guested on the stones, toon.

ahh, so it's greg kihn who doesn't write them like that anymore...thanks!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Alicat on March 01, 2005, 10:24:17 AM
Been listening but working. Fab set so far.

Urgent mondegreen, I remember back in the day listening on a beach at a lake thinking they were singing "virgin, virgin."
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:27:34 AM
VHM Police. "I am the Alpha and the Omega Man", says Mr Sumner.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: urth on March 01, 2005, 10:27:35 AM
Hey Alicat, who's your new avatar, and what's that she's holding?
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: "Alicat"
Been listening but working. Fab set so far.

Urgent mondegreen, I remember back in the day listening on a beach at a lake thinking they were singing "virgin, virgin."


ha! do her quick, do a virgin!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:29:15 AM
WOW!  Police "Omegaman".  Gomer of the day (fer sure, fer sure, fer sure)
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:29:35 AM
I would like to nominate the "It's a Living" theme as The Gayest Thing Ever Written.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Hey Alicat, who's your new avatar, and what's that she's holding?


I was just gonna query the same thing.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:30:12 AM
bos to ann jillian!!

wos to blondie.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Alicat"
Been listening but working. Fab set so far.

Urgent mondegreen, I remember back in the day listening on a beach at a lake thinking they were singing "virgin, virgin."


ha! do her quick, do a virgin!


'70s Soul singer Shirley Brown made a comeback of sorts with a quickie disco cover of "Urgent".
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:31:00 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
I would like to nominate the "It's a Living" theme as The Gayest Thing Ever Written.


now imagine rene aubergejeauiounouis singing it.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:31:03 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Hey Alicat, who's your new avatar, and what's that she's holding?

I don't know either, but it's very Emma Peel.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:32:00 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
I would like to nominate the "It's a Living" theme as The Gayest Thing Ever Written.


now imagine rene aubergejeauiounouis singing it.

My whole brain just turned pink.  Can anyone help me find the {reset} button?
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Alicat"
Been listening but working. Fab set so far.

Urgent mondegreen, I remember back in the day listening on a beach at a lake thinking they were singing "virgin, virgin."


ha! do her quick, do a virgin!


'70s Soul singer Shirley Brown made a comeback of sorts with a quickie disco cover of "Urgent".


ha. quickie. i think there's a polka version, too.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:34:45 AM
nice "mommie dearest" trailer!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
Between the Bette Oscars clip, the "It's a Living" theme, and "Mommie Dearest," it's a trifecta of fabulous festivity!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:35:40 AM
Where's Beej?

Another VHM to BOC "Burnin' For You"

...time to play Beej sides
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:36:27 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Between the Bette Oscars clip, the "It's a Living" theme, and "Mommie Dearest," it's a trifecta of fabulous festivity!


Obviously Sunday nite's show wasn't gay enuf for Dave. Maybe he's protesting the censorship of Robin Williams' routine by ABC.
Title: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: ggould on March 01, 2005, 10:38:22 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 10:39:29 AM
Yeah, Beej shoulda been here for this one.

Urth: Safe travels, bud!  Looking fwd to meeting you this week!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Alicat on March 01, 2005, 10:40:12 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Hey Alicat, who's your new avatar, and what's that she's holding?

She was the main character in a show called Witchblade, http://www.tvtome.com/Witchblade/

Very cool. The arm thing had powers.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: urth on March 01, 2005, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"

Urth: Safe travels, bud!  Looking fwd to meeting you this week!


Thanks! How's the weather back there?

Hey, finally heard from my friends & we're doing the theatre on Friday. So how are you with dinner on Saturday or Sunday?

We're in around 5 tomorrow eve weather permitting, call me after then.

Btw, gang--I'm on vacay for the week starting tomorrow. Goin' to NYC, gonna hang with Gaz. Back next Wed.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:45:48 AM
Quote from: "ggould"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


Geoff your subject line refers to Dire Straits... I'm confused.

I'm also NOT sticking around for Annalisa's song-and-a-T-Shirt thingy. KFOG must be trying to boost TSL (Time Spent Listening), they've got Dave (and presumably everyone else) saying things like "just 3 minutes to [insert song title]".  But 3 minutes is an eternity if you're listening to bad commercials...
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:48:24 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
nice "mommie dearest" trailer!


I just checked IMDb (cuz you never know), and sure enough Mara Hobel, the little girl who played the young Christina Crawford, has continued to make movies.  Last year she was even in Kinsey.  She is credited as 'Female Student #2'.

re: Ali's avatar - I almost became a Witchblade fan, saw the first 3-4 eps anyway.  The gal's name is Yancy Butler.  She made a decent action movie with Wesley Snipes that involved a lot of parachuting, called Drop Zone.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Quote from: "Gazoo"

Urth: Safe travels, bud!  Looking fwd to meeting you this week!


Thanks! How's the weather back there?

Hey, finally heard from my friends & we're doing the theatre on Friday. So how are you with dinner on Saturday or Sunday?

We're in around 5 tomorrow eve weather permitting, call me after then.

Btw, gang--I'm on vacay for the week starting tomorrow. Goin' to NYC, gonna hang with Gaz. Back next Wed.


have fun, urth!
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 10:51:53 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
I'm also NOT sticking around for Annalisa's song-and-a-T-Shirt thingy. KFOG must be trying to boost TSL (Time Spent Listening), they've got Dave (and presumably everyone else) saying things like "just 3 minutes to [insert song title]".  But 3 minutes is an eternity if you're listening to bad commercials...


especially when DDT is playing "Keep On Chooglin'".
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: ggould on March 01, 2005, 10:52:17 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "ggould"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


Geoff your subject line refers to Dire Straits... I'm confused.
This is my version of snarkiness, and it takes a lot of cranky for pants this big!  I don't know (or care) who wrote Winning, you guys infer Russ Ballard?  What I do think is that it's just a shameless Mark Knopfler ripoff as far as guitar tone, just like Rod Stewart's "Young Hearts" (or Turks, or Love, or something)  Although, I get so tired of Carlos' modern tone (Modern means everything except "Winning") that sometimes I like hearing it, just for variety!  Did you hear him on the Oscars?  Same solo, different song.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Btw, gang--I'm on vacay for the week starting tomorrow. Goin' to NYC, gonna hang with Gaz. Back next Wed.


Have fun -- NYC looks lovely after it snows. Seriously.

Don't know where you're staying but I recommend breakfast at either Elephant & Castle (Greenwich Ave near 12th) or NoHo Star (Bleecker & Lafayette) and of course a hot dog (or 3, they're cheap) at Gray's Papaya or Papaya King (all over town).  And if you do dinner with Gaz in his 'hood, make sure you go to Rocco's for dessert.  Gaz can direct you to the great used record stores of NY, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: RGMike on March 01, 2005, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: "ggould"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "ggould"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Not my favorite Santana song either.  WOS to "Winning."


Geoff your subject line refers to Dire Straits... I'm confused.
This is my version of snarkiness, and it takes a lot of cranky for pants this big!  I don't know (or care) who wrote Winning, you guys infer Russ Ballard?  What I do think is that it's just a shameless Mark Knopfler ripoff as far as guitar tone, just like Rod Stewart's "Young Hearts" (or Turks, or Love, or something)  Although, I get so tired of Carlos' modern tone (Modern means everything except "Winning") that sometimes I like hearing it, just for variety!  Did you hear him on the Oscars?  Same solo, different song.


You're absolutely right, of course (about the Knopfleresque sound and about Carlos on the Oscars).  The Russ Ballard orig of "Winning" predates Dire Straits, BTW.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 11:04:49 AM
Quote from: "ggould"
Did you hear him on the Oscars?  Same solo, different song.


ok. i know i watched the oscars. and i remember his leather pants. but i can't remember what he was playing or with whom.

sad, really...
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Alicat on March 01, 2005, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Quote from: "Gazoo"

Urth: Safe travels, bud!  Looking fwd to meeting you this week!


Thanks! How's the weather back there?

Hey, finally heard from my friends & we're doing the theatre on Friday. So how are you with dinner on Saturday or Sunday?

We're in around 5 tomorrow eve weather permitting, call me after then.

Btw, gang--I'm on vacay for the week starting tomorrow. Goin' to NYC, gonna hang with Gaz. Back next Wed.

Have a safe (fun) trip!
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: Gazoo on March 01, 2005, 11:43:13 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Thanks! How's the weather back there?

Hey, finally heard from my friends & we're doing the theatre on Friday. So how are you with dinner on Saturday or Sunday?

The weather is dismal.  Whatever you've heard, it's that bad, though the city crews and locals have done a good job clearing the roads and sidewalks.  Hope you've got some kinda boots, still.  Dinner is better for me Saturday than Sunday; Mike noted a few good places in my neighborhood but I'm open to ideas.  See ya soon!
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: ggould on March 01, 2005, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: "RGMike"
The Russ Ballard orig of "Winning" predates Dire Straits, BTW.
not sure I've ever heard it.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: ggould on March 01, 2005, 12:39:12 PM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "ggould"
Did you hear him on the Oscars?  Same solo, different song.


ok. i know i watched the oscars. and i remember his leather pants. but i can't remember what he was playing or with whom.

sad, really...
he played while Antonio Banderas sang.  This is not a typo.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: "ggould"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "ggould"
Did you hear him on the Oscars?  Same solo, different song.


ok. i know i watched the oscars. and i remember his leather pants. but i can't remember what he was playing or with whom.

sad, really...
he played while Antonio Banderas sang.  This is not a typo.


oh, right. no surprise i blocked it out. i was wondering why they let those two hoodlums (banderas and griffith) inside.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: urth on March 01, 2005, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
oh, right. no surprise i blocked it out. i was wondering why they let those two hoodlums (banderas and griffith) inside.


Melanie Griffith looks weirder every time I see her. Sunday it looked like she had two slugs crawling across her face, and her eyebrows never moved once.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: princessofcairo on March 01, 2005, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: "urth"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
oh, right. no surprise i blocked it out. i was wondering why they let those two hoodlums (banderas and griffith) inside.


Melanie Griffith looks weirder every time I see her. Sunday it looked like she had two slugs crawling across her face, and her eyebrows never moved once.


i think they're involved in some strange sex cult. sort of like the grandparents in the da vinci code, with a little heroin mixed in.
Title: Re: Santana covering Dire Straits
Post by: mshray on March 01, 2005, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: "urth"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
oh, right. no surprise i blocked it out. i was wondering why they let those two hoodlums (banderas and griffith) inside.


Melanie Griffith looks weirder every time I see her. Sunday it looked like she had two slugs crawling across her face, and her eyebrows never moved once.


And her skin was 'more orange than an orange'!  Although flipping through the IMDb pix looking for a Jenny Lumet sighting, I came across more than a couple of Dona Versace looking far weirder than Melanie G.
Title: 1981 on Tuesday March 1
Post by: urth on March 01, 2005, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "urth"
Btw, gang--I'm on vacay for the week starting tomorrow. Goin' to NYC, gonna hang with Gaz. Back next Wed.


Have fun -- NYC looks lovely after it snows. Seriously.

Don't know where you're staying but I recommend breakfast at either Elephant & Castle (Greenwich Ave near 12th) or NoHo Star (Bleecker & Lafayette) and of course a hot dog (or 3, they're cheap) at Gray's Papaya or Papaya King (all over town).  And if you do dinner with Gaz in his 'hood, make sure you go to Rocco's for dessert.  Gaz can direct you to the great used record stores of NY, I'm sure.


I just hope we get there while the snow is still white, and not turned to grey and black.

Thanks for the breakfast tips--last time I was there breakfast was the toughest meal to find something good if you didn't know where to go, and wanted something more than just a bagel (MMMmmmm--H&H!).  We're staying in the Union Square area--17th & 2nd, so NoHo Star is not too far away.