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Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 07:02:45 AM
Dave spilled the beans early today.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2006, 07:17:29 AM
Damn, I'll miss it due to work.  Predicting, and BOS'ing, Sly.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 07:59:44 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Damn, I'll miss it due to work.  Predicting, and BOS'ing, Sly.


Yellow mohawks and bad collaborators notwithstanding...
Title: sneakin' a listen
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 08:26:41 AM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Damn, I'll miss it due to work.  Predicting, and BOS'ing, Sly.

I'll sneak into a room with wireless, and put my ipod headphones into my laptop and sneak a stream, hopefully!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 09:40:44 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Damn, I'll miss it due to work.  Predicting, and BOS'ing, Sly.


Yellow mohawks and bad collaborators notwithstanding...


I dug the mohawk and outfit, fwiw.  But the guest stars were horrid and Sly's lack of actual contribution made me wish it had never happened.  But then, that lack of a happy ending to the tale is perfectly indicative of 2006 thus far.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:00:33 AM
woooo hoooo. And here we go! Vietnam, in the fields far away.....
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
instant BOS S&G.  "he must be high on something, someone said".  These kids today!
Title: what did I miss?
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: "Alicat"
woooo hoooo. And here we go! Vietnam, in the fields far away.....

Listening to Simon and Garfunkel, into The Weight!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: "Alicat"
woooo hoooo. And here we go! Vietnam, in the fields far away.....


hot avatar!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: "Anonymous"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Damn, I'll miss it due to work.  Predicting, and BOS'ing, Sly.


Yellow mohawks and bad collaborators notwithstanding...


I dug the mohawk and outfit, fwiw.  But the guest stars were horrid and Sly's lack of actual contribution made me wish it had never happened.  But then, that lack of a happy ending to the tale is perfectly indicative of 2006 thus far.


Apparently Sly had such a bad case of stage fright that he ran offstage, puked, got into his limo & vanished.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: urth on February 10, 2006, 10:09:38 AM
Urth's instant BOS: Smokey!!

And a 68 bustout!!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:09:44 AM
Take a load off your fanny... and vote Smokey BOS! "If You can Want, You Can Need."  Follow-up to "Second That Emo" iirc.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Urth's instant BOS: Smokey!!

And a 68 bustout!!


agreed!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Urth's instant BOS: Smokey!!

And a 68 bustout!!


Probably not a true bustout given the long history of '68 sets, but certainly one I can't recall him playing in ages.

Here's Gaz's BOS: Sly, sans mohawk and barf bag.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:12:18 AM
I offer a pre-emptive 10-way tie for BOS.
Urth, are you up and running in your newly designed home studio to tape this?
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:12:26 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "urth"
Urth's instant BOS: Smokey!!

And a 68 bustout!!


agreed!


So princess, are you up for Neil Young Sun afternoon? so far it's just Me  & Alicat.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: urth on February 10, 2006, 10:12:29 AM
Is it just me, or has Dave played no clips or bumpers in between any of the cuts since the LBJ clip that led into Save the Life of My Child? I know that led straight into the Weight, and the Smokey tune went straight into Dance to the Music.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Alicat"
woooo hoooo. And here we go! Vietnam, in the fields far away.....


hot avatar!

Yeah. I'd like a life-sized print of him.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: "urth"
Is it just me, or has Dave played no clips or bumpers in between any of the cuts since the LBJ clip that led into Save the Life of My Child? I know that led straight into the Weight, and the Smokey tune went straight into Dance to the Music.


maybe he's all politicked out.  He's had quite a week of segues.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "urth"
Urth's instant BOS: Smokey!!

And a 68 bustout!!


agreed!


So princess, are you up for Neil Young Sun afternoon? so far it's just Me  & Alicat.


negative. i'll be working in the studio.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:14:13 AM
Quote from: "Alicat"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "Alicat"
woooo hoooo. And here we go! Vietnam, in the fields far away.....


hot avatar!

Yeah. I'd like a life-sized print of him.


yeah, on top of me!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "urth"
Is it just me, or has Dave played no clips or bumpers in between any of the cuts since the LBJ clip that led into Save the Life of My Child? I know that led straight into the Weight, and the Smokey tune went straight into Dance to the Music.


maybe he's all politicked out.  He's had quite a week of segues.


methinks you spoke too soon...
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:15:32 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "urth"
Is it just me, or has Dave played no clips or bumpers in between any of the cuts since the LBJ clip that led into Save the Life of My Child? I know that led straight into the Weight, and the Smokey tune went straight into Dance to the Music.


maybe he's all politicked out.  He's had quite a week of segues.


methinks you spoke too soon...


you say Dave wants a revolution? Well, you know...
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:17:21 AM
BOS Revolution!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"

negative. i'll be working in the studio.


I'm gonna be picnicking at Pt. Reyes.

Hey Princess, didja get the Fagen tix?
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: yessongs on February 10, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: "Alicat"
BOS Revolution!


You know, I really like this song but I like the fast version a LOT better, in fact it's one of my very favorite Beatles songs...

Anyone else have an opinion about Revolution slow vs. fast?
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "princessofcairo"

negative. i'll be working in the studio.


I'm gonna be picnicking at Pt. Reyes.

Hey Princess, didja get the Fagen tix?


just sent you an email.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: urth on February 10, 2006, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "urth"
Is it just me, or has Dave played no clips or bumpers in between any of the cuts since the LBJ clip that led into Save the Life of My Child? I know that led straight into the Weight, and the Smokey tune went straight into Dance to the Music.


maybe he's all politicked out.  He's had quite a week of segues.


methinks you spoke too soon...


Yep. As soon as I opened my trap...should have figured he had something on deck.

BOS2 I Love You.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Take a load off your fanny... and vote Smokey BOS!


I called in my vote & took the opportunity to also lobby Dave to play "When Smokey Sings" next time he goes to '87.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: "yessongs"
Quote from: "Alicat"
BOS Revolution!


You know, I really like this song but I like the fast version a LOT better, in fact it's one of my very favorite Beatles songs...

Anyone else have an opinion about Revolution slow vs. fast?


I probably prefer fast, but when the slow one came out it made the lyrics more discernable. Revolutionary mondegreen: "and if you go carrying pictures of Gemini" -- yes, my 13-year-old ears really heard it that way.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:22:40 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Take a load off your fanny... and vote Smokey BOS!


I called in my vote & took the opportunity to also lobby Dave to play "When Smokey Sings" next time he goes to '87.


Bless you, my son.

But we got TWO breakouts in the last '87 set, so that means Dave won't be updating his playlist for at least a decade :wink:
Title: I get confused
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 10:22:54 AM
was it People or Chocolate Watchband that played at my high school yearbook dance?
 :lol:
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:24:19 AM
BOS3 "San Jose's own" People, "I Love You".

least necessary: "Sunshine of Your Love". But that's just me.
Title: precursor to Beavis and Butthead
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 10:24:30 AM
I can see myself headbanging to these riffs

"Sunshine of Your Love!"
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "yessongs"
Quote from: "Alicat"
BOS Revolution!


You know, I really like this song but I like the fast version a LOT better, in fact it's one of my very favorite Beatles songs...

Anyone else have an opinion about Revolution slow vs. fast?


I probably prefer fast, but when the slow one came out it made the lyrics more discernable. Revolutionary mondegreen: "and if you go carrying pictures of Gemini" -- yes, my 13-year-old ears really heard it that way.


i always used to think "chairman mao" was "truman now."
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:25:17 AM
BOS Cream
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:26:44 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "yessongs"
Quote from: "Alicat"
BOS Revolution!


You know, I really like this song but I like the fast version a LOT better, in fact it's one of my very favorite Beatles songs...

Anyone else have an opinion about Revolution slow vs. fast?


I probably prefer fast, but when the slow one came out it made the lyrics more discernable. Revolutionary mondegreen: "and if you go carrying pictures of Gemini" -- yes, my 13-year-old ears really heard it that way.


i always used to think "chairman mao" was "truman now."

mousie dung
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: yessongs on February 10, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
BOS Cream -- I can still remember hearing Sunshine of Your Love played at a 7th or 8th grade dance, by some band which was probably really lousy but I didn't care at the time, cause all I could think of was getting up the nerve to ask a girl to dance...  Boy that was pressure.......
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:27:30 AM
...give you my dull surprise...
...stay with you till my seas are dried up...

I'm sorry, I just can't quite figure out what he's singing about.


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:28:49 AM
ooo! BOS4 "Does Your Mama Know About Me", an interracial love anthem that could easily be a gay one too. I wonder if any Gay Men's Choruses have ever had it in their repetoires.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:29:06 AM
who is this, mike?!?!?!? haven't heard this since kdia was on the air. my new bos vote.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: "mshray"
...give you my dull surprise...
...stay with you till my seas are dried up...

I'm sorry, I just can't quite figure out what he's singing about.


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


It's "dawn surprise". And I thought it was "till my seed's all dry, love"(?)
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: urth on February 10, 2006, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
ooo! BOS4 "Does Your Mama Know About Me", an interracial love anthem that could easily be a gay one too. I wonder if any Gay Men's Choruses have ever had it in their repetoires.


Absolutely--not a bustout (I think DM pulled it out once last year) but still a great great tune. BOS3 (or was that 4?)
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "mshray"
...give you my dull surprise...
...stay with you till my seas are dried up...

I'm sorry, I just can't quite figure out what he's singing about.


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


It's "dawn surprise". And I thought it was "till my seed's all dry, love"(?)


ha! i heard "dull surprise," too. and "'til my seed's all dried up."
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
who is this, mike?!?!?!? haven't heard this since kdia was on the air. my new bos vote.


see above. Dave plays it quite often, actually, it's a fave of his.

ETA: Oh... Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers. Featuring Tommy Chong!

also unnecessary: "Born to Be Wild".  And probably "Grapevine", too, but I'll let that pass as a reference to the upcoming Marvin biopic.
Title: trying to give Dave some props, but...
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 10:34:31 AM
so I don't have Yahoo Messenger on my laptop, so I go to download it, and...blocked!  The school district filter foils me!

If any of you are doing the YM thing, pass along my  thanks, from a Class of '68'er
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: princessofcairo on February 10, 2006, 10:34:34 AM
most unnecessary: the grapevine.
Title: a little Marvin in the morning
Post by: ggould on February 10, 2006, 10:35:41 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
most unnecessary: the grapevine.

Too much of Marvin is just enough!
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: "princessofcairo"
most unnecessary: the grapevine.


see my post above.  Did I not have that conversation with you after seeing Rent, about Jesse L Martin being an ideal candidate to play Mr Gaye?  Turns out I'm a genius.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:39:04 AM
It’s getting near dawn,
When lights close their tired eyes.
I’ll soon be with you my love,
To give you my dawn surprise.
I’ll be with you darling soon,
I’ll be with you when the stars start falling.

I’ve been waiting so long
To be where I’m going
In the sunshine of your love.

I’m with you my love,
The light’s shining through on you.
Yes, I’m with you my love,
It’s the morning and just we two.
I’ll stay with you darling now,
I’ll stay with you till my seas are dried up.

Chorus
---------------------------------
Dried up seeds makes me think of the Lemon Song,
Squeeze me baby, till the juice runs down my leg.
The way you squeeze my lemon, I'm gonna fall right out of bed.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: mshray on February 10, 2006, 10:39:38 AM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "mshray"
...give you my dull surprise...
...stay with you till my seas are dried up...

I'm sorry, I just can't quite figure out what he's singing about.


 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:


It's "dawn surprise". And I thought it was "till my seed's all dry, love"(?)


it is 'Dawn' surprise, but that actually works better.

ETA: and Ali has beaten me to the punch....

any of y'all ever heard "Boys Want Sex In the Morning" by Uncle Bonsai?
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Gaz at da New Times on February 10, 2006, 10:47:30 AM
Smokey & the Miracles' "If You Can Want" definitely isn't a bust-out: I remember buying a Miracles GH at what was then the Wherehouse on Kearny specifically because Dave played that song and I was blown away by it.  Then I hear "Come 'Round Here (I'm the One You Need)" and was blown away even more.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Beej on February 10, 2006, 10:56:53 AM
Well, I missed the whole thing cuz at 10am I was summoned by a bureaucrat to make copies. Yep. Big fun.

Sounds like I missed a good 'un. I'll have to catch ze replay.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 11:15:38 AM
damn, Foghead could chosen obscure Quicksilver, or JS "Crown of Creation"... but he chose CCR "Suzie Q".  Time for CGSS, then.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:09:53 PM
A fine day/year!

Simon & Garfunkel - Save the Life of My Child
The Band - The Weight
Smokey & the Miracles - If You Can Want
Sly & the Family Stone - Dance to the Music (B-O-S!!)
Beatles (yeah!) - Revolution 1
People - I Love You
Cream - Sunshine of Your Love
Bobby Taylor & the Vancouvers - Does Your Mama Know About Me?
Steppen Wolf - Born to Be Wild
Marvin Gaye - Heard it Through the Grapevine
BONUS TRACK:  CCR - Suzie Q
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:14:54 PM
Missed really hearing Smokey at work so replay sounds mighty fine.

In the very early 80s I drove up to Tahoe in the snow to see Smokey at one of the casinos. Loved it. What a lark that was.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: "Alicat"
Missed really hearing Smokey at work so replay sounds mighty fine.

In the very early 80s I drove up to Tahoe in the snow to see Smokey at one of the casinos. Loved it. What a lark that was.


Saw him mid-'80s too -- in NYC at one of the Summer Music Fests at one of the Piers.  It was a touch Vegas-y,  but he still had the voice.

Hearing the S&G reminds me I meant to say this during the AM version: anyone else familiar with Albert Hammond's "Air Disaster" (early summer '74)?  I recall it seeming quite influenced by "Save The Life of My Child".
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "yessongs"
Quote from: "Alicat"
BOS Revolution!


You know, I really like this song but I like the fast version a LOT better, in fact it's one of my very favorite Beatles songs...

Anyone else have an opinion about Revolution slow vs. fast?


I probably prefer fast, but when the slow one came out it made the lyrics more discernable.

Totally. fast is on the B side of Hey Jude but this is sure easier to understand.  shooby doo, allright
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2006, 10:25:30 PM
Set sounds fantastic on the replay.

Hearing "Dance to the Music," I realize how much I take it for granted: I have to think that when people first heard that on the radio, there was a nationwide "oh my god what the fuck was THAT?" effect.  There's so much that sounds so different from everything else that went before.  And now and for future generations, it's merely one of those anonymized party songs that get sung in hypermedley form at the end of Shrek.  And that bugs me.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2006, 10:26:35 PM
Is it just me, or did Dave increase the speed of "I Love You"'s rotation by about 5-10%?  I swear it's going faster than the version I have.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Alicat on February 10, 2006, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Set sounds fantastic on the replay.

........one of those anonymized party songs that get sung in hypermedley form at the end of Shrek.  And that bugs me.

From time to time my kids will identify with a song on the radio just becuse it was in Shrek or one of the movies they've seen. Trips me out. I try to let them know a little bit more about the origin but they don't seem to get it.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: RGMike on February 10, 2006, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Is it just me, or did Dave increase the speed of "I Love You"'s rotation by about 5-10%?  I swear it's going faster than the version I have.


didn't sound any diff to me.

And as much as I LOVE "Does Your Mama Know About Me?", it's really pretty crappily produced -- the vocal's totally buried on the first line or 2. My copy of Whitburn says Bobby Taylor is the guy who really discovered the J-5.
Title: 10 Feb 2006: it's 1968!!
Post by: Gazoo on February 10, 2006, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: "RGMike"
Quote from: "Gazoo"
Is it just me, or did Dave increase the speed of "I Love You"'s rotation by about 5-10%?  I swear it's going faster than the version I have.


didn't sound any diff to me.

And as much as I LOVE "Does Your Mama Know About Me?", it's really pretty crappily produced -- the vocal's totally buried on the first line or 2. My copy of Whitburn says Bobby Taylor is the guy who really discovered the J-5.


This is shocking: According to AMG, the producers of this album were Al Cleveland, Hal Davis, Berry Gordy, Terry Johnson, Deke Richards, Smokey Robinson, and Frank Wilson.  Quite the interesting bio they've got.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:2aqag44btv4z~T1

A San Francisco nightclub launched one of the most exciting bands to come out the Northwest. Tommy Chong and Bobby Taylor formed Four Niggers & a Chink from Little Daddie & the Bachelors, who originated from the Shades, a Calgary/Edmonton based group. Little Daddie & the Bachelor's recorded a couple singles, including "Too Much Monkey Business" out of Vancouver, British Columbia.

The offensive name killed the fan base that Little Daddie & the Bachelors had built. It's unclear whether Bobby Taylor was a member of the Bachelors -- Tommy Milton, Donald Mallory, Chong, and Wes Henderson, but he was with the latter group who changed their name weekly around the same theme: Four Colour Fellas and a Chinese Lad...Four N's and a C, before settling on Bobby Taylor & the Vancouvers. The original Vancouvers, in addition to Chong and Taylor, were Wes Henderson (guitar), Robbie King (keyboards), Ted Lewis (drums), and Eddie Patterson (bass).

They rebuilt their fan base by doing spirited, rock-ish versions of Motown hits. Jimi Hendrix played with them at one point for a year (prior to his stint with the Isley Brothers), mainly at Seattle's Black and Tan Club, but was fired because his solos were too long and loud. Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard heard the band when they played at Chong and Taylor's after-hour joint, the Elegant Parlor in Vancouver; Berry Gordy was contacted and the group signed with the hot recording company. It turned out to be a horrible mistake, but if they hadn't, would they have ever emerged from the Northwest?

Taylor was a veteran when he inked with Motown in 1967, he was born February 18, 1936, making him 31 at the time of the signing. Born in North Carolina, his folks moved to Washington, D.C., where he grew up in a public housing project and sang doo wops with friends on the street corners, sometimes joined by a tall, skinny kid named Marvin Gaye. Taylor's father was a full-blooded Native American and his grandfather, who had a singing group, was Puerto Rican. The Taylors knew all the musicians and their home was used as a resting place and motel for many artists who came through the district.

Taylor and friends traveled to Brooklyn, NY -- the Fort Green Projects -- to doo wop with locals who became Little Anthony & the Imperials and Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers; but nothing happen until he migrated West and connected with Chong.

Motown got Bobby & the Vancouvers' name out there, but things were never right. They suffered the same indignation as the Isley Brothers and were viewed as carpet bagging, newcomers, and were igged, by Taylor's account, by "90 percent of the artists." And to add salt to an open wound: Johnny Bristol didn't like Tommy Chong, who was married with a kid and a diehard pot smoker. Taylor left the group some time after the first album, which contained their hit "Does Your Mama Know About Me" (number 29, 1968), and two lesser smoothies: "Malinda" and "I Am Your Man." The Vancouvers were reduced to backing blue-eye soul singer Chris Clark on gigs. A Canadian, Chong needed Green Cards for himself and the bass player and was fired by Clark (actually Bristol) when he left in the middle of a gig for a Green Card interview.

Taylor "discovered" the Jackson Five who were billed with him for a ten-day stint at Chicago's Regal Theater. He took them back to Detroit and put them up in his apartment while he prepped them for an audition with Motown. He was living in a mostly lily white apartment building at the time and when management saw all the little black kids running around, they kicked Taylor and the Jacksons out.

Motown released his solo album, Taylor Made Soul, on Gordy; a good album that met with disinterest. Some of its titles, however, ("I've Been Blessed," "Don't Be Afraid," "Out in the Country," and "Eleanor Rigby") were bona fide. A second album was reportedly recorded but never issued.

The Jacksons passed their audition with distinction and Taylor was busy flying to Los Angeles to record them. His productions with the J5, except for some tracks that appeared on their debut album, were shelved for years. Taylor cut mostly old soul tunes with them to demonstrate their singing skills. But Berry Gordy wanted a contemporary sound that would cross over to all segments, so he created the Corporation with Deke Richards, Fonce Mizelle, Freddie Perren, Taylor, and himself. Taylor worked on the first three Jackson Five hits, but got no credit. He was out by 1970; according to many, Taylor was a bear to get along with.

The Jackson Five situation cause IRS problems for Taylor and he subsequently sued Motown for unpaid royalties, won the suit, but supposedly never got paid.

Tommy Chong hooked up with Cheech Marin and became comedians and actors who glorified marijuana use. The rest of the Vancouvers continued in bands and worked day jobs. After Motown, Taylor recorded for Epic, Playboy, and Philadelphia International Records (never issued) ; none were as successful as his Motown releases.

He developed throat cancer and relocated to Columbus, OH, where he lived with his mother for years before returning West and settling in the San Jose, CA, area. He was part of Ian Levine near 900-track Motorcity project, cutting one of the Britisher's best songs and tracks -- "Cloudy Day," a stupendous ballad. He has formed Bobby Taylor & the New Vancouvers and reportedly performs occasional gigs in the San Jose area.

Little Daddie & the Bachelor's tracks -- featuring Tommy Chong's rock guitar licks -- can be found on Northwest Killers, Vol. 2 1964-1965 ("Come on Home"), and History of Vancouver Rock and Roll, 2, which features "Junior's Jerk." Another track, "Valley of Tears," is also floating around on a compilation.