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Main Discussion Area => KFOG's 10@10 => Topic started by: RGMike on April 11, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
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"a 32-year-old Mick Jagger said 'I'd rather be dead than sing 'Satisfaction' when I'm 45'" This happened in... 1975.
lots of great Stones quotes here:
http://www.timeisonourside.com/time2.html
Predictions: Bowie, Grand Funk, Queen, Elton, KC, Tull, Wings, Paul Simon
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Think there will be a '60s set tomorrow? Today matches the longest gap between '60s sets in the DC/RR era - 17 (week)days.
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
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Think there will be a '60s set tomorrow? Today matches the longest gap between '60s sets in the DC/RR era - 17 (week)days.
I'd love to be surprised by a '60s set but I'm guessing early-'90s tomorrow.
Good Gawd: uber-uber-uber-LN "Born to Run" as TOTHK.
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Think there will be a '60s set tomorrow? Today matches the longest gap between '60s sets in the DC/RR era - 17 (week)days.
Given that we've hit the '70s twice already this week, my money is against it.
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first true prediction: KC. LN2.
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KC & The Sunshine Band "Get Down Tonight"
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So a number of RR's clues involved the Stones. Given that there wasn't a Stones album released in '75, are we going to hear something off of It's Only Rock & Roll (74) or Black & Blue (76)?
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2nd true prediction: EJ. LN3. Jeebus H Christ on a cracker.
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Elton John "Island Girl"
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So a number of RR's clues involved the Stones. Given that there wasn't a Stones album released in '75, are we going to hear something off of It's Only Rock & Roll (74) or Black & Blue (76)?
Her clues frequently don't match up to anything in the actual set, not even news/TV/movie clips.
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Elton John "Island Girl"
Duuuude! she's a DUUUUDE!
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wow, 2 disco hits in one set: VHM Van McCoy, tho' "The Hustle" is hardly rare.
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Van McCoy does The Hustle
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LN4: BadCo. I'd love to hear Millie Jackson's cover of this some morning.
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Bad Comapny "Feel Like Makin' Love"
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Bad Comapny "Feel Like Makin' Love"
Sounds like '75, but necessary? No.
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BOS the Amazing Rhythm Aces, one of my all-time fave bits of songwriting. But I swear RR played this recently.
ETA: must be my imagination. not in the last 3 visits, anyway.
LN5: ELO. Strange Madge? ick!
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"Third Rate Romance" Amazing Rhythm Aces
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ELO "Strange Magic"
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Boo-hoo, poor CIA, waah waah waah.
"Games People Play" -- I'd like to think that segue was intentional. VHM Spinners, another nice song that's hardly necessary.
At least this set was rather pop-chart-heavy, that' s about the best thing I can say for it.
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Spinners "Games People Play"
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Fleetwood Mac "Say You Love Me"
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VHM the obligatory-if-unnecessary (F.)Mac attack. I do loves me some Christine McVie.
"Fleetwood Mac -- the Cadillac of hamburgers", as Dan Ingram used to say.
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like the Spinners, ELO, and the disco.
is 75 too early for Ramones?
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like the Spinners, ELO, and the disco.
is 75 too early for Ramones?
By one year
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is 75 too early for Ramones?
sadly, it is but that's never stopped Renee.
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ooo! BOS2 Tubes, "WPOD". Censored, I'm assuming.
not technically a rarity -- it's now appeared in all three eras (DM, AL, RR) but welcome nonetheless.
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Tubes "White Punks On Dope" WOW
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Tubes "White Punks On Dope" WOW
I don't know. Early Tubes are always popular requests on Connected and were on the Annalisa KFOG page.
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BOS, The Tubes. Cow Orkers kept me from most of this set, however. :(
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First time in awhile I've had any possibility of a BOS tie: Amazing Rhythm Aces and the Tooobes.
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oops -- was that the F-word? Didn't AL get in trouble for playing the uncensored version last year?
Renee: "y'know, just because I don't 'get' something, doesn't mean I won't play it for you" Er, wha?
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So a number of RR's clues involved the Stones. Given that there wasn't a Stones album released in '75, are we going to hear something off of It's Only Rock & Roll (74) or Black & Blue (76)?
Her clues frequently don't match up to anything in the actual set, not even news/TV/movie clips.
I know, that was meant more as a rip on Renee than as a serious question.
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Renee's delicate sensibilities have been assaulted by WPOD.
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oops -- was that the F-word? Didn't AL get in trouble for playing the uncensored version last year?
They cut "fucking" out of the "my folks are so...rich" line but did she miss "I'm all fucked up"? Nice.
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oops -- was that the F-word? Didn't AL get in trouble for playing the uncensored version last year?
They cut "fucking" out of the "my folks are so...rich" line but did she miss "I'm all fucked up"? Nice.
Will she go back and edit it out for tonight's replay / online edition, or will she leave it be?
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Renee sez Bruce beats Tubes for BOS by one vote.
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Good Gawd: uber-uber-uber-LN "Born to Run" as TOTHK.
I'm okay with it -- not BOS because it's not very adventurous, but still a VHM because it's such a great song. Kind of like Led Zep's "Rock and Roll" in the '71 set. Not very necessary at all, but I never mind hearing it.
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Think there will be a '60s set tomorrow? Today matches the longest gap between '60s sets in the DC/RR era - 17 (week)days.
Given that we've hit the '70s twice already this week, my money is against it.
I agree. I think '71 was our "sixties" set. Although I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised, I would
wager that it will either be early '90s, or... ack! No, I can't even say it!
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.
Sure, he's okay. I wouldn't turn down free tickets. There are plenty of worse bands. But really...
Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces." Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow. (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said. So I took her to Secaucus.)
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
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1975... pop/rock teeters on the edge of the cliff before falling into the abyss that is '76 to '78.
A set that was not improved by the usual "hit" selections from that year. Sigh.
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"Third Rate Romance" Amazing Rhythm Aces
Woulda been my BOS. WOS to Tubes!
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.
Sure, he's okay. I wouldn't turn down free tickets. There are plenty of worse bands. But really...
Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces." Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow. (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said. So I took her to Secaucus.)
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Them's fightin' words here, bub.
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Since nobody has posted the list yet:
1. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Get Down Tonight
3. Elton John - Island Girl
4. Van McCoy - The Hustle
5. Bad Company - Feel Like Makin' Love
6. Amazing Rhythm Aces - Third Rate Romance
7. Electric Light Orchestra - Strange Magic
8. Spinners - "They Just Can't Stop It" the (Games People Play)
9. Fleetwood Mac - Say You Love Me
10. Tubes - White Punks On Dope
Anyone who wants to retrieve the list from G-snipes, feel free. :)
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Since nobody has posted the list yet:
1. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
2. KC & The Sunshine Band - Get Down Tonight
3. Elton John - Island Girl
4. Van McCoy - The Hustle
5. Bad Company - Feel Like Makin' Love
6. Amazing Rhythm Aces - Third Rate Romance
7. Electric Light Orchestra - Strange Magic
8. Spinners - "They Just Can't Stop It" the (Games People Play)
9. Fleetwood Mac - Say You Love Me
10. Tubes - White Punks On Dope
Anyone who wants to retrieve the list from G-snipes, feel free. :)
thanks, sometimes it's a little daunting to wade in there.
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Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.
I'd put Neil Young at the top of that list. I like his early work,
whiny though it may be. But apart from a song or two, I haven't thought
much of most of what he's done in over thirty years. It sounds tired to me.
There are a few Bruce songs I like, and some I never need to hear again.
But most of his stuff doesn't move me. I don't relate much to the blue
collar outlook. And it's incongruous having a successful multi-millionaire
who continues to play the part of a working-class Everyman.
I enjoy a lot of the U2 catalog. But they're largely a mainstream band,
nothing particularly innovative in their work.
Next up -- musicians who I think don't deserve the opprobrium they get on this board!
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Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Them's fightin' words here, bub.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
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Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Them's fightin' words here, bub.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
I like Bruce. But I certainly don't romanticize Jersey. From what I've seen on TV, it's pretty much a hell hole. I love to travel, and will literally go anywhere with a carefree heart, but Jersey is pretty much last on my list. Behind, like, I don't know, Kansas. Or Somalia.
He may be a lucky punk from Jersey, but he puts on a hell of a show, and his songs resonate. I refused to pay $114 for far away seats last time he was in town, but would have paid that for a closer experience.
I think he rose above those other Jersey punks with talent and conviction. You may not agree, but he doesn't seem to be as Jersey as the media is portraying Jersey these days.
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I'd put Neil Young at the top of that list.
Oh, now you done it! Or, idiomatically, "NO YOU DIN'T!"
I mean, he's as serious an artist as I know in the rock and roll arena. Not always great (some things fail), but always out there, pushing towards what he wants to be. It is "art" to him.
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Next up -- musicians who I think don't deserve the opprobrium they get on this board!
I am on the edge of my seat waiting for your defense of The Cars.
Myself, I defend Tom Petty. But that is just me.
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.
Sure, he's okay. I wouldn't turn down free tickets. There are plenty of worse bands. But really...
Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces." Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow. (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said. So I took her to Secaucus.)
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.
I don't know that they're the most overrated (and I do really like U2), but I get your general point.
I guess the term overrated can mean many things, including but not limited to:
1) Overly rabid fanbase (your two examples)
2) Given way too much ink by the press (Radiohead immediately comes to mind).
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TOTHK - Springsteen "Born To Run"
As a former resident of the Garden State who has spent more time driving on Highway 9 and
other similar state highways than any random thousand Bruce fans combined (and yes, engaged
in traffic light drag-racing thereon), may possibly have only two degrees of separation from him,
and knew about Freehold long before he became nationally famous, I have to say I just don't get
his over-the-top popularity.
Sure, he's okay. I wouldn't turn down free tickets. There are plenty of worse bands. But really...
Maybe it's because I went to school with too many "Bruces." Maybe it's because I knew the
area too well to ever see it in a romanticized rosy glow. (In fact, that rosy glow comes from
the refineries et. al. in the industrial waste land in communities that surround Port Elizabeth.
"Kiss me where it smells," she said. So I took her to Secaucus.)
Bruce is just another New Jersey punk that happened to luck out and make it big.
Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.
I don't know that they're the most overrated (and I do really like U2), but I get your general point.
I guess the term overrated can mean many things, including but not limited to:
1) Overly rabid fanbase (your two examples)
2) Given way too much ink by the press (Radiohead immediately comes to mind).
Taste is funny. I LOVE Neil and Radiohead. LOVE. Then again, Dischead said the last thirty or so years of Neil, and I will agree that his Decade was the most glorious of his career. So, yeah, maybe post-Seventies Neil is overrated, but I'll always give him a pass. He's up there with Dylan and Lennon for me.
I see a pattern, though. If one has a distaste for art rock, then Neil, maybe Bowie, and especially Radiohead are going to seem overrated. If one's distaste is more for mainstream rock, then U2, Bruce, Petty (sorry), and C[l][r]apton are going to seem overrated.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
I would say, that apart from people just being foolish, that the Beatles are considered both very popular and not overrated. I think most people would say the same about the first decade of the Rolling Stones.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?
I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart. More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
These are both true statements. Do you disagree with any of the opinions expressed on individual bands/acts?
I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart. More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism.
Personally, I don't think of you as an old fart with old fart opinions. You're a hippy. To me, that is a great thing, your one of the beautiful people of my youth, and actually one of the shining examples of what the '60s offered. You, my friend, are groovy. Don't give up on us because we are snarky and/or difficult.
As for "criticism" in general, I gave up on that just before I graduated with a degree in literary criticism. It was always personal opinion in my experience (though, to be fair, good stuff was usually identified, in the long run). It's even worse for music. I love WPOD, but I completely understand why you do not.
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For the record:
Neil Young: 10 (out of 10)
Bruce: 7
Radiohead: 7
U2: 5 (but higher for their earlier stuff)
ETA:
Led Zeppelin: 10
Rolling Stones: 8
J Geils Band: 9
Clapton: 9
Jeff Beck: 9
Robin Trower: 9
The Who: 7
Joe Jackson: 9
The Cars: 2
Abba: -3
The Beatles: 9.5
Earthquake: 8.5 (bonus frink points for "getting" that)
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I like Bruce. But I certainly don't romanticize Jersey. From what I've seen on TV, it's pretty much a hell hole. I love to travel, and will literally go anywhere with a carefree heart, but Jersey is pretty much last on my list. Behind, like, I don't know, Kansas. Or Somalia.
Oh great. Now you've put me in the awkward position of defending New Jersey. By TV, I assume
you're refering to the shows about genteel spouses and those well-mannered kids living in a
house by the beach. Because naturally the producers of said shows are primarily interested
in accurately depicting the citizens of New Jersey, and the people on those programs know they're
on television and represent the state, so they're on their best behavior. I've never seen a
moment of either one of them, so I'm just speculating here. New Jersey residents have a
well-deserved reputation for having a lot of attitude, but that can be said about much of the
greater NYC area. On the whole I don't think the people there are much better or worse than
elsewhere in the US.
Most people only see New Jersey because they're driving through it on the Turnpike to go
somewhere else. Which is a little like saying you've seen the Bay Area by driving around it on
880 and 101. It is the most densely populated state, and the swath from Philadelphia to
New York is largely a mix of suburban and urban areas. There are problem cities like Trenton,
but I don't see them as much different from Richmond or Vacaville. Off of that strip to the North
are the Appalachian Mountains and many rural communities, which are pretty much the same as
most other rural areas in the Mid-Atlantic Region. To the South it is essentially a huge sandy
penninsula, dominated by the Pine Barrens, and much of it remains relatively undeveloped.
There's naturally a lot of history associated with New Jersey, but if you're not interested in that
then there isn't much to differentiate it from other East Coast locations. There are lots of nice
beach areas, but Long Island, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia also have nice beaches. And
Atlantic City is no longer the only alternative for gambling outside of Nevada. So without a specific
reason, you might just as well visit Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Maryland, etc. But I think that's true
of most states outside of the West. Very few of them have unique, "must see" attractions apart
from historical sites.
He may be a lucky punk from Jersey, but he puts on a hell of a show, and his songs resonate. I refused to pay $114 for far away seats last time he was in town, but would have paid that for a closer experience.
I think he rose above those other Jersey punks with talent and conviction. You may not agree, but he doesn't seem to be as Jersey as the media is portraying Jersey these days.
My point is that most of his songs don't resonate with me, because they're pitched at a blue-collar
sensibility. I don't find anything particularly interesting about his music; it's middle-of-the-road rock
and roll, albeit well executed and well presented. Yes, he's talented and determined, and that is a
big part of his success. My opinion is that the fan reaction is out of proportion with the music
quality. (But what do I know? I count myself amount the ranks of Deadheads.) He most
certainly is associated with and considered representative of New Jersey. As for the media
portrayals you allude to, they are essentially cartoons, and are about as accurate as saying a walk
down Haight Street near Ashbury is what San Francisco is all about.
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I'd put Neil Young at the top of that list.
Oh, now you done it! Or, idiomatically, "NO YOU DIN'T!"
I mean, he's as serious an artist as I know in the rock and roll arena. Not always great (some things fail), but always out there, pushing towards what he wants to be. It is "art" to him.
Oh, he may be serious, and it may be "art" to him, but that doesn't mean what he's doing is any good.
I don't see him pushing towards anything new. It's the same old same old to my ears. And frankly,
it seems like he works a little too hard, like he's grinding it out. "See how hard I'm working? See
how earnest I am?" I wouldn't say that he isn't having fun, but I don't sense that in his performance.
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Next up -- musicians who I think don't deserve the opprobrium they get on this board!
I am on the edge of my seat waiting for your defense of The Cars.
Myself, I defend Tom Petty. But that is just me.
The Cars aren't who I was thinking of. But I don't find them offensive. They were early harbingers
of the New Wave, and they had a fun, light pop sound. I think the problem is they are over-played,
both in their time and on 10@10. If anything, that's because the late '70s generally sucked overall
for pop/rock. The interesting stuff at that time was happening elsewhere.
Petty is somewhat like Bruce for me. Some songs I really enjoy. Some I never need to hear again.
I would grant that Bruce et. al. is more talented than Petty.
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Springsteen and U2 are the most overrated acts in rock history. That said, both are good, and I like both of them.
I don't know that they're the most overrated (and I do really like U2), but I get your general point.
I guess the term overrated can mean many things, including but not limited to:
1) Overly rabid fanbase (your two examples)
Can there be any more rabid fanbase than those for the Dead? I own just about all of their albums
(including solo efforts), have been to about fifty shows, and have 100+ concert recordings -- which
barely makes me a middle-weight deadhead. Does that make them overrated? Outside of their fans,
they are generally regarded as a bunch of stoned noodlers.
2) Given way too much ink by the press (Radiohead immediately comes to mind).
I would think the acts that are given too much ink are ones that don't even get played on 10@10 and
are rarely, if ever, mentioned here. The cookie-cutter boy bands, the singers (girls, mostly) who
are known more for the escapades that get them on TMZ than their music. In those cases I would say,
yes, definitely overrated.
I would add:
3) Given credit for being better musicians they they really are, or mistaking popularity for musical
ability.
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Taste is funny. I LOVE Neil and Radiohead. LOVE. Then again, Dischead said the last thirty or so years of Neil, and I will agree that his Decade was the most glorious of his career. So, yeah, maybe post-Seventies Neil is overrated, but I'll always give him a pass. He's up there with Dylan and Lennon for me.
I see a pattern, though. If one has a distaste for art rock, then Neil, maybe Bowie, and especially Radiohead are going to seem overrated. If one's distaste is more for mainstream rock, then U2, Bruce, Petty (sorry), and C[l][r]apton are going to seem overrated.
Your feelings about Neil mirror mine about Eric Clapton, who is one of the artists I think gets
unnecessarily dumped on here. Yes, I'll admit that his work in the last two or three decades isn't
stellar. But in my opinion, he's largely responsible for the top two rock & roll albums of all time:
Cream's Wheels of Fire and Blind Faith. And for that, he gets a pass from me.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
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I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart. More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism.
I think it's important to recognize good musical ability, even if one doesn't care for it. As I've said
before, Bruce and company are good musicians -- I just don't think they're good enough to warrant
the veneration. Part of problem is that I regard rock as a limited form of music. There's only so
much you can do with it by itself. That's why I find myself more interested these days in other
kinds of music apart from straight-up rock.
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_gustibus_non_est_disputandum
;)
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I disagree strongly with much of it, but am getting tired of being an old fart. More importantly, I felt like discussing the logical pitfalls of music criticism.
I think it's important to recognize good musical ability, even if one doesn't care for it. As I've said
before, Bruce and company are good musicians -- I just don't think they're good enough to warrant
the veneration. Part of problem is that I regard rock as a limited form of music. There's only so
much you can do with it by itself. That's why I find myself more interested these days in other
kinds of music apart from straight-up rock.
I'm a big longtime Brooooce fan but the thing is, critics, particularly if they came out of the tradition of early Rolling Stone/Crawdaddy/Village Voice politically-aware music criticism, tend to venerate anyone with a blue-collar background. And if the artist puts on 3-hour-plus shows every night, and pays homage to early rock and R&B, and gets more political as he ages... well, you can see how that all fits together. Springsteen buddy/hagiographer Dave Marsh (who I CANNOT F**ING STAND) pretty much hates/nit-picks any rock star who went to college (your David Byrnes, your Paul Simons).
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just sayin'...
Just because someone is really popular is no proof they are overrated.
Just because someone is bravely willing to take an unpopular opinion, that doesn't mean it's any more valid than a popular opinion.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_gustibus_non_est_disputandum
;)
The education system in this country started going to hell when they stopped teaching Latin
in the schools.
I attended a private high school and had two years of Latin. I could have elected to take one
or two more years. Maybe if I had then I would understand the ablative case today.