10at10 Club
Main Discussion Area => KFOG's 10@10 => Topic started by: RGMike on September 08, 2014, 06:31:18 PM
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the thread she is up.
ETA: someone needs to tell the guy who requested Elvis' "A Little Less Conversation" that it's from '68.
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psychic request:
TILT!
Too many to list!
Okay, I'll pick one... I've mentioned it before, and it's been on my mind lately:
Elton John - Amoreena
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I'm sucked into the Apple maelstrom this morning (for work, not from any fanboy-ness) so I'll have to catch up on the streamed version later. Hoping for good stuff. (When was the last time she played Double Barrel? Could be due.)
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I'm sucked into the Apple maelstrom this morning (for work, not from any fanboy-ness) so I'll have to catch up on the streamed version later. Hoping for good stuff. (When was the last time she played Double Barrel? Could be due.)
could be, but it's from '71. ;)
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TOTHK: the 'oo, "The Seeker". BOS1 from me.
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TOTHK - The Who "The Seeker"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d6/The_Seeker.jpg)
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The Doors "Roadhouse Blues"
(http://ring.cdandlp.com/neil93/photo_grande/113982895.jpg)
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VHM Doors, "Roadhouse Blues" -- well-worn but not oppressively so. (Having heard the glorious "Soft Parade" on today's Peak 1969 set, I can't be too pissy, Morrison-wise)
I wonder how many computer-raised youngsters think he's saying "give up your mouse"?
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Five Easy Pieces ---> Bread "Make It With You (!)
(http://akashaman.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bread_f_cover.jpg)
I requested this before... is this a bustout?
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Nicholson wants toast w/out chicken salad--> Bread (I wonder how many will get that one) VHM "Make it With You"
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Nicholson wants toast w/out chicken salad--> Bread (I wonder how many will get that one) VHM "Make it With You"
Why is there no band called Toast? A crunchy tribute to Bread?
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Nicholson wants toast w/out chicken salad--> Bread (I wonder how many will get that one) VHM "Make it With You"
"Have you ever been hit in the head with a soft rock?"
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Led Zeppelin "Tangerine"
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/f4/e4/6503810ae7a0ec37133cc110.L._SY300_.jpg)
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OMFG: Zep, "Tangerine" -- a swoonworthy uber-BOS2.
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Peace in the Middle East ---> Norman Greenbaum "Spirit In The Sky"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/Norman_Greenbaum_-_Spirit_in_the_Sky.jpg)
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Peace in the Middle East? yeah, sure. uber-LN1 "Spirit in the Sky"
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OMFG: Zep, "Tangerine" -- a swoonworthy uber-BOS2.
Agreed. Will be hard to top for BOS.
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Women's liberation ---> Curtis Mayfield "Move On Up"
(http://i-likeitalot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Curtis-Mayfield-Move-On-Up-1971.jpg)
Score one for RGMike!
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Women's Lib demonstrations --> Curtis M "Move on Up" -- uber-BOS3. indeed, my request.
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Peace in the Middle East? yeah, sure. uber-LN1 "Spirit in the Sky"
Amusing facts about Norman are that he was and is an observant Jew, and he just felt like writing a song about the spirit in the sky, and the Jesus theme was just convenient. Bizarre. I did always wonder about a dude named Greenbaum writing a Christian song...
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More women's lib --> "Get Ready"
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Women's Lib demonstrations --> Curtis M "Move on Up" -- uber-BOS3. indeed, my request.
Are you the new PD? ;D
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More women's liberation ---> Rare Earth "Get Ready"
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3486/3295173492_404e7e2561.jpg)
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OMFG - Mark Lindsay "Arizona" -- yet another RGMike request
(http://whatfrankislisteningto.negstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Mark-Lindsay-Arizona.jpg)
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Women's Lib demonstrations --> Curtis M "Move on Up" -- uber-BOS3. indeed, my request.
Are you the new PD? ;D
Another one??
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OMFG: my second request of the day: "Arizona"! BOS4.
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OMFG: my second request of the day: "Arizona"! BOS4.
AL lurves RGMike!
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All we need now is "Rubber Duckie"! :D
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uber-LN2 "I Think I Love You"
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The Courtship Of Eddie's Father (featuring Jodie Foster) ---> The Partridge Family "I Think I Love You"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/The_Partridge_Family_-_I_Think_I_Love_You.jpg)
Anything else from The Partridge Family Album would have gotten a BOS from me...
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M*A*S*H ---> James Brown "Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Sex Machine (Parts 1&2)"
(http://rymimg.com/lk/f/l/fb8a71c5db9a87abe1f2f85168d08020/1536948.jpg)
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M*A*S*H "we are the pros from Dover!" -- JB "Sex machine"
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All we need now is "Rubber Duckie"! :D
Ten Years After
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another looooooong version! can we hit it and quit! Looking forward to the replay already.
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All we need now is "Rubber Duckie"! :D
Ten Years After
next time for sure!
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AL sez: Curtis BOS; runners-up Zep and Bread. Some well-balanced voting there.
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It appears the Bread, Curtis M and Mark Lindsay tunes were all bustouts; "Sex Machine" only appeared once before in the AL era -- five years ago! -- and (oddly) never from Dave, who certainly played his share of JB stuff.
"Tangerine" also has only one previous appearance -- played by Renee, in what has to be one of her 2 or 3 best-ever year-based shows (she did some fine work with theme sets). From Oct 2013, this fine RR 1970 excursion:
1. Morning Morgantown - Joni Mitchell
2. When You Dance I can Really Love - Neil Young
3. John Barleycorn - Traffic
(News: Women's Lib)
4. For You Blue - Beatles
(Commercial: Play-Doh)
5. Apeman - Kinks
6. Tangerine - Led Zep
7. Hey Tonight - CCR
8. Closer to Home - Grand Funk Railroad
(News: Jimi Hendrix dead)
9. Little Wing - Derek & the Dominoes
10. Hard Headed Woman - Cat Stevens
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While today's set is better than average, I still have to give it mixed marks. In the beginning
I thought we might finally be getting more of a rock set, but it quickly swerved back into pop
territory and never looked back. However we did get three good bust-outs, and just about
everything else was a relative rarity on 10@10 -- a very low LNQ. And if it seems that I Think
I Love You has worn out its welcome, it's probably because all but one of its ten appearances
have been post-Morey.
There's so much stuff happening in 1970 that it would be possible to have great 10@10 sets
from each of many genres: pop, soul, funk, ten different kinds of rock... so it's frustrating that
'60s sets have been notably pop-heavy. It's also disappointing because there are bands like
Jethro Tull, Chicago, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, etc., whose later material gets regular play on
KFOG, but their early work -- the releases that established them as big artists -- is all but ignored,
even on a specialty show like 10@10. I just don't understand that. It seems like KFOG has
become afraid of rock music in the past few years.
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It seems like KFOG has become afraid of rock music in the past few years.
DING DING DING!
Triple-A has been, essentially a mellow-rock-leaning version of Hot A/C for some time now, and I think that, in Cumulus' corporate mind, KFOG's job is to share as few songs with The Bone as possible. So while they may play a lot of the same artists, we get the "mellow" side of those artists on KFOG (see: Zep's "Tangerine" or "Going to California"). This new PD seems to understand the importance of pop cheeze in the context of 10@10 -- it makes for great "oh wow" songs -- better than DC did, and I salute him for that (but then, I *like* pop cheeze). But yeah, there could be more deep rock and prog tracks, esp in '70s sets. My other request yesterday was Ten Years After "Love Like a Man" -- I'll have to keep flogging that one.
There's also the '60s and '70s For Dummies factor: People in the younger demos are probably more familiar with stuff they heard on Oldies stations growing up (the "classics") than with obscure LP tracks that guys like us remember fondly.
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All we need now is "Rubber Duckie"! :D
Ten Years After
next time for sure!
TANC: WLNG just played "Rubber Duckie". They're probably the only oldies station in America that does.
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9/9/14 Tuesday!! Move On Up in 1970!!
1. The Who- The Seeker
2. The Doors- Roadhouse Blues
(Movie: Five Easy Pieces)
3. Bread- Make It With You
4. Led Zeppelin- Tangerine
(News: Middle East agreement)
5. Norman Greenbaum- Spirit in the Sky
(News: Women's liberation movement)
6. Curtis Mayfield- Move On Up (B.O.S!)
(News: The "Pill" protests)
7. Rare Earth- Get Ready
8. Mark Lindsay- Arizona
(TV: The Courtship Of Eddie's Father)
9. Partridge Family- I Think I Love You
(Movie: M*A*S*H)
10. James Brown- Get Up (I Feel Like Being) a Sex Machine
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It seems like KFOG has become afraid of rock music in the past few years.
DING DING DING!
There's also the '60s and '70s For Dummies factor: People in the younger demos are probably more familiar with stuff they heard on Oldies stations growing up (the "classics") than with obscure LP tracks that guys like us remember fondly.
These are not obscure LP tracks... if someone made a 10@10 set with tracks like Theme
For An Imaginary Western and To Cry You A Song in 1970, we'd all be saying they were LN
because we heard them on the radio all the time. The only reason they are obscure today is an
artificial and unfortunate contraction in what is considered for airplay. It's one thing to do that for
regular programming, but I see no point in doing so for a specialty show like 10@10. I have not
heard Acoustic Sunrise very often, but whenever I do, I hear new (to me) material. It would seem
that show is not similarly restricted.
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It seems like KFOG has become afraid of rock music in the past few years.
DING DING DING!
There's also the '60s and '70s For Dummies factor: People in the younger demos are probably more familiar with stuff they heard on Oldies stations growing up (the "classics") than with obscure LP tracks that guys like us remember fondly.
These are not obscure LP tracks... if someone made a 10@10 set with tracks like Theme
For An Imaginary Western and To Cry You A Song in 1970, we'd all be saying they were LN
because we heard them on the radio all the time. The only reason they are obscure today is an
artificial and unfortunate contraction in what is considered for airplay. It's one thing to do that for
regular programming, but I see no point in doing so for a specialty show like 10@10.
To the contrary, nobody would be doing a 10@10 1970 set in 1970 (a 10-year minimum, give or take a year or two, from the present year is required). Would anyone care to hear a 2014 10@10 set now? Just saying... :)
Now if it were 1980 and someone did a 1970 set with those tracks, I'm not sure -- where on the radio would you hear those in 1980? I'm guessing AOR stations most likely.
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It seems like KFOG has become afraid of rock music in the past few years.
DING DING DING!
There's also the '60s and '70s For Dummies factor: People in the younger demos are probably more familiar with stuff they heard on Oldies stations growing up (the "classics") than with obscure LP tracks that guys like us remember fondly.
These are not obscure LP tracks... if someone made a 10@10 set with tracks like Theme
For An Imaginary Western and To Cry You A Song in 1970, we'd all be saying they were LN
because we heard them on the radio all the time. The only reason they are obscure today is an
artificial and unfortunate contraction in what is considered for airplay. It's one thing to do that for
regular programming, but I see no point in doing so for a specialty show like 10@10.
To the contrary, nobody would be doing a 10@10 1970 set in 1970 (a 10-year minimum, give or take a year or two, from the present year is required). Would anyone care to hear a 2014 10@10 set now? Just saying... :)
Oh, stop muddling up my argument with facts! Anyway, my point stands -- a lot of the tracks I
have in mind got plenty of airplay in their day, and for that alone have a place on 10@10. But
we're all skirting the central existential question here; see below.
Now if it were 1980 and someone did a 1970 set with those tracks, I'm not sure -- where on the radio would you hear those in 1980? I'm guessing AOR stations most likely.
Dunno where one would hear 1970 tracks in 1980... my radio-listening experience drops off
precipitously in the late '70s. I would hope the same place I heard them in 1970, but I suspect
that progressive FM radio was essentially gone by then.
The important question is: what is 10@10?
Is it 10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year? All recorded music in specific
genres? (If so, which ones?) Is it 10 great songs that some radio station, somewhere played
at least once? 10 great songs that most [genre] radio stations played? Perhaps is it just songs
that KFOG would have played, had it been that kind of station in that year? Or is it only songs
that would fit in KFOG's current musical format?
Put another way, what is the domain of 10@10?
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The important question is: what is 10@10?
Is it 10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year? All recorded music in specific
genres? (If so, which ones?) Is it 10 great songs that some radio station, somewhere played
at least once? 10 great songs that most [genre] radio stations played? Perhaps is it just songs
that KFOG would have played, had it been that kind of station in that year? Or is it only songs
that would fit in KFOG's current musical format?
Put another way, what is the domain of 10@10?
I'd say the answer changes every time KFOG changes PDs. When Dave had complete creative control, it was indeed "10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year", or as close to that as his personal taste allowed. He would often play songs *he* remembered from growing up in Detroit and could frequently be heard to say "am I the only one who remembers that one?" -- which to most of us was exactly what we liked about Dave's sets. But to a consultant, that's anathema.
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The important question is: what is 10@10?
Is it 10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year? All recorded music in specific
genres? (If so, which ones?) Is it 10 great songs that some radio station, somewhere played
at least once? 10 great songs that most [genre] radio stations played? Perhaps is it just songs
that KFOG would have played, had it been that kind of station in that year? Or is it only songs
that would fit in KFOG's current musical format?
Put another way, what is the domain of 10@10?
I'd say the answer changes every time KFOG changes PDs. When Dave had complete creative control, it was indeed "10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year", or as close to that as his personal taste allowed. He would often play songs *he* remembered from growing up in Detroit and could frequently be heard to say "am I the only one who remembers that one?" -- which to most of us was exactly what we liked about Dave's sets. But to a consultant, that's anathema.
That's a fair answer. I note that AL 1.0 appeared to have near complete creative control, and
she was starting to play many of the "big name bust-out" tracks I've been talking about, as
well as others that I was surprised to hear on 10@10. And she seemed more open to playing
a wide variety of requests.
So the issue seems to be whether 10@10 should be a unique and different piece of programming,
one that might attract listeners in its own right, or if 10@10 should be just another vehicle to
express and be molded into the musical "vision" that the PD has for the station.
One of the sad results of national homogenization of the radio playlist at the hands of consultants
is that San Francisco's legacy as a leading music center gets marginalized and eliminated. I've
mentioned Hot Tuna and New Riders of the Purple Sage before as two of the more prominent
examples.
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The important question is: what is 10@10?
Is it 10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year? All recorded music in specific
genres? (If so, which ones?) Is it 10 great songs that some radio station, somewhere played
at least once? 10 great songs that most [genre] radio stations played? Perhaps is it just songs
that KFOG would have played, had it been that kind of station in that year? Or is it only songs
that would fit in KFOG's current musical format?
Put another way, what is the domain of 10@10?
I'd say the answer changes every time KFOG changes PDs. When Dave had complete creative control, it was indeed "10 great songs from all recorded music of one great year", or as close to that as his personal taste allowed. He would often play songs *he* remembered from growing up in Detroit and could frequently be heard to say "am I the only one who remembers that one?" -- which to most of us was exactly what we liked about Dave's sets. But to a consultant, that's anathema.
That's a fair answer. I note that AL 1.0 appeared to have near complete creative control, and
she was starting to play many of the "big name bust-out" tracks I've been talking about, as
well as others that I was surprised to hear on 10@10. And she seemed more open to playing
a wide variety of requests.
So the issue seems to be whether 10@10 should be a unique and different piece of programming,
one that might attract listeners in its own right, or if 10@10 should be just another vehicle to
express and be molded into the musical "vision" that the PD has for the station.
One of the sad results of national homogenization of the radio playlist at the hands of consultants
is that San Francisco's legacy as a leading music center gets marginalized and eliminated. I've
mentioned Hot Tuna and New Riders of the Purple Sage before as two of the more prominent
examples.
You've nailed both what 10@10 should be and what it is and has been the past three years.