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Main Discussion Area => Stream of Consciousness => Topic started by: Lightnin' Rod on September 18, 2009, 12:15:22 PM
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
yeah, it's def "nanny-state-ism", tho' if SF were flush with cash, it probably wouldn't be happening.
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No truth to the rumor Newsom is calling this the No Fat Chicks initiative, in case you were wondering about that.
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
yeah, it's def "nanny-state-ism", tho' if SF were flush with cash, it probably wouldn't be happening.
it does seem unlikely this will fly, but as someone who's become very conscious in the last year and a half about body weight, sugary sodas are indeed a health hazard. I have always felt if there was some way to quantify the damage a product caused, a 'make-good' tax would be appropriate to offset the costs to society that are taken on. Just my crazy idea.
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
yeah, it's def "nanny-state-ism", tho' if SF were flush with cash, it probably wouldn't be happening.
Ridiculous. Why should the city be allowed to dictate what is essentially a personal choice? And why isn't he proposing a tax on beer and fortified wines? Alcoholism certainly costs SF and the state a huge sum. Heading further down the slippery slope here.
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
yeah, it's def "nanny-state-ism", tho' if SF were flush with cash, it probably wouldn't be happening.
Ridiculous. Why should the city be allowed to dictate what is essentially a personal choice? And why isn't he proposing a tax on beer and fortified wines? Alcoholism certainly costs SF and the state a huge sum. Heading further down the slippery slope here.
I agree. The societal costs of alcohol are huge.
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I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I'm fed up with Gavin Newsome trying to legislate SF into some sort of utopian ideal. Totalitarianism begins with the phrase, "It's for your own good."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/18/MNF619OSF4.DTL
yeah, it's def "nanny-state-ism", tho' if SF were flush with cash, it probably wouldn't be happening.
Ridiculous. Why should the city be allowed to dictate what is essentially a personal choice? And why isn't he proposing a tax on beer and fortified wines? Alcoholism certainly costs SF and the state a huge sum. Heading further down the slippery slope here.
I agree. The societal costs of alcohol are huge.
I hardly drink soft drinks, so I say go for it. :) Since it's a personal choice I choose not to drink them and I will avoid the tax if it passes. Alcohol and tobacco are already taxed at the State level, so why wouldn't the progressive City of SF start levying vice taxes on this second tier "vice" known as empty calories/junk food?
Ok, I'm only half-serious here. SF is one tax happy city. But I hear the stats of how the average caloric intake has increased over the years, dietary habits have moved from whole food to processed foods, the evils of High Fructose Corn Syrup, the tax on our health system from obesity, diabetes, etc. A lot of kids are overweight and I'm sure the correlation b/w their weight and he prevalence of sody-pop is close.
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I hardly drink soft drinks, so I say go for it. :) Since it s a personal choice I choose not to drink them and I will avoid the tax if it passes. Alcohol and tobbaco are already taxed at the State level, so why wouldn't the progressive City of SF start levying vice taxes on this second tier "vice" known as empty calories/junk food?
Ok, I'm only half-serious here. SF is one tax happy city. But I hear the stats of how the average caloric intake has increased over the years, dietary habits have moved from whole food to processed foods, the evils of High Fructose Corn Syrup, the tax on our health system from obesity, diabetes, etc. A lot of kids are overweight and I'm sure the correlation b/w their weight and he prevalence of sody-pop is close.
Have to agree with TC here.
As long as it's a tax issue I say why not? I would equally welcome a tax on marijuana products, which unlike HFCS, is a vice that A) is voluntarily entered into. HFCS is slipped into my childrens' lives without parent or child being easily made aware, (can you imagine the furor if C2H5OH, THC or PCP were found in our kids' state-funded school lunches? and B) Compared to cannabis, there are apparently zero ancillary health benefits to HFCS. I would gladly pay to indulge the vice of cannabis,...even more than alcohol.
I think every vice should be legal, regulated & taxed. And the benchmark should be the "victimless" social costs of alcohol & tobacco. Anything with less impact should be allowed, and the rest of humanity can enjoy them legally and explore any spiritual paths that may stem from them.
Poets could drink to excess, philosophers and musicians could get stoned, theater types and salesmen could get coked & methed up, and the politicans could visit any type of kinky brothel they desired. It would all be legal, AND clearly indicated in your tax records if you were audited.
At the 'Darwin Awards' level, this is all to the good. In a few dozen generations we will have weeded out the genetic markers for those who can't handle their vices & one can assume medical advances would ameliorate the pesonal health impacts on those who can 'handle' them from the socio-economic angles.
ETA: For the same reason I am in favor of much higher gasoline taxes, in line with Europe & the developed countries in East Asia. I know it would modify my driving behavior, because it already has.
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btw, anyone up to speed on the latest ACORN expose? they've been on the Right wing hit list for a long time, and apparently from what the talking heads were saying over the weekend, they got busted pretty good.
In personal experience, ACORN was the proverbial thorn in the side of the exclusively Democratic political machine in St. Louis for decades. So my folks & I could never fathom the attacks on them being such a 'left wing' group. But I've been wrong before.
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btw, anyone up to speed on the latest ACORN expose? they've been on the Right wing hit list for a long time, and apparently from what the talking heads were saying over the weekend, they got busted pretty good.
In personal experience, ACORN was the proverbial thorn in the side of the exclusively Democratic political machine in St. Louis for decades. So my folks & I could never fathom the attacks on them being such a 'left wing' group. But I've been wrong before.
They're an easy target, and anything that can be even remotely connected to Obama is fodder for ClusterFOX and Friends. And they're apparently not exactly run by the brightest folks, so the "expose" (done by a couple of enterprising right-wingers, who had no trouble selling their handiwork to FauxNews) isn't entirely surprising. Obama should throw them under the bus, IMHO.
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I hardly drink soft drinks, so I say go for it. :) Since it s a personal choice I choose not to drink them and I will avoid the tax if it passes. Alcohol and tobbaco are already taxed at the State level, so why wouldn't the progressive City of SF start levying vice taxes on this second tier "vice" known as empty calories/junk food?
Ok, I'm only half-serious here. SF is one tax happy city. But I hear the stats of how the average caloric intake has increased over the years, dietary habits have moved from whole food to processed foods, the evils of High Fructose Corn Syrup, the tax on our health system from obesity, diabetes, etc. A lot of kids are overweight and I'm sure the correlation b/w their weight and he prevalence of sody-pop is close.
Have to agree with TC here.
As long as it's a tax issue I say why not? I would equally welcome a tax on marijuana products, which unlike HFCS, is a vice that A) is voluntarily entered into. HFCS is slipped into my childrens' lives without parent or child being easily made aware, (can you imagine the furor if C2H5OH, THC or PCP were found in our kids' state-funded school lunches? and B) Compared to cannabis, there are apparently zero ancillary health benefits to HFCS. I would gladly pay to indulge the vice of cannabis,...even more than alcohol.
I think every vice should be legal, regulated & taxed. And the benchmark should be the "victimless" social costs of alcohol & tobacco. Anything with less impact should be allowed, and the rest of humanity can enjoy them legally and explore any spiritual paths that may stem from them.
Poets could drink to excess, philosophers and musicians could get stoned, theater types and salesmen could get coked & methed up, and the politicans could visit any type of kinky brothel they desired. It would all be legal, AND clearly indicated in your tax records if you were audited.
At the 'Darwin Awards' level, this is all to the good. In a few dozen generations we will have weeded out the genetic markers for those who can't handle their vices & one can assume medical advances would ameliorate the pesonal health impacts on those who can 'handle' them from the socio-economic angles.
ETA: For the same reason I am in favor of much higher gasoline taxes, in line with Europe & the developed countries in East Asia. I know it would modify my driving behavior, because it already has.
You've said this perfectly. I'm in 100% agreement. It's libertarian socialism in action.
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You've said this perfectly. I'm in 100% agreement. It's libertarian socialism in action.
Okay, I take it back, I'm not as liberal as the next guy(s).
ETA: commie basterds ;)
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Okay, I take it back, I'm not as liberal as the next guy(s).
ETA: commie basterds ;)
ROTFL!!!
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Couldn't decide where to put this, but pretty big news: Gavin Newsom has pulled out of the Governor's race, leaving Jerry Brown the only Dem -- even if he hasn't officially declared himself. (Jerry'd better do so soon; Whitman's spending tons of $$$.)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/30/BAI91AD538.DTL&tsp=1
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Couldn't decide where to put this, but pretty big news: Gavin Newsom has pulled out of the Governor's race, leaving Jerry Brown the only Dem -- even if he hasn't officially declared himself. (Jerry'd better do so soon; Whitman's spending tons of $$$.)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/30/BAI91AD538.DTL&tsp=1
Crap.
Maybe it's better for him if he becomes Lt. Governor, and when Jerry's ready to step aside the whole Gay Marriage issue will be a done deal & not a liability for him. In fact by then it will make him seem prophetic.
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Couldn't decide where to put this, but pretty big news: Gavin Newsom has pulled out of the Governor's race, leaving Jerry Brown the only Dem -- even if he hasn't officially declared himself. (Jerry'd better do so soon; Whitman's spending tons of $$$.)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/30/BAI91AD538.DTL&tsp=1
Crap.
Maybe it's better for him if he becomes Lt. Governor, and when Jerry's ready to step aside the whole Gay Marriage issue will be a done deal & not a liability for him. In fact by then it will make him seem prophetic.
Here's something I've never understood about politics, both re: Newsom and in general: What is his greater agenda in being involved in politics, and in what capacity can he best make that happen (ie., Gov vs Lt Gov)? I have to believe it's something larger than famewhoredom. But I have a poor understanding of who oversees what in our governmental structure.
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it's in this thread because I'm sick of Dems kow-tow-ing to the Senator from Aetna, aka Droopy Dawg. Yo, Lieberman -- kiss mah ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vS6kIbJu64&feature=player_embedded
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it's in this thread because I'm sick of Dems kow-tow-ing to the Senator from Aetna, aka Droopy Dawg. Yo, Lieberman -- kiss mah ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vS6kIbJu64&feature=player_embedded
Lieberman better hope his constituents love him unconditionally or have short memories. He's got another two years left in his term, and I think he's going to have a tough time getting reelected. I'd hope the Dems would throw everything they have into the effort to get him tossed out. He deserves a little payback for holding the left hostage the way he has.
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it's in this thread because I'm sick of Dems kow-tow-ing to the Senator from Aetna, aka Droopy Dawg. Yo, Lieberman -- kiss mah ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vS6kIbJu64&feature=player_embedded
Lieberman better hope his constituents love him unconditionally or have short memories. He's got another two years left in his term, and I think he's going to have a tough time getting reelected. I'd hope the Dems would throw everything they have into the effort to get him tossed out. He deserves a little payback for holding the left hostage the way he has.
Hope you saw the clip yesterday of Al Franken refusing to extend DroopyJoe's speaking time (something usually done as a matter of course). Lieber-scum was astounded to be pushed back upon.
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"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts..."
This is in the "left" thread because Coakley is an idiot (worst candidate evah?) and the Dems need to wake the fuck up. And Gaz, I just un-friended Barry Scott on FB -- he's fucking insane.
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"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts..."
This is in the "left" thread because Coakley is an idiot (worst candidate evah?) and the Dems need to wake the fuck up. And Gaz, I just un-friended Barry Scott on FB -- he's fucking insane.
is he now your "unfrenemy?"
his voice and (lack of) web design skill should have been enough for an unfriend...
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"And the lights all went out in Massachusetts..."
This is in the "left" thread because Coakley is an idiot (worst candidate evah?) and the Dems need to wake the fuck up. And Gaz, I just un-friended Barry Scott on FB -- he's fucking insane.
is he now your "unfrenemy?"
his voice and (lack of) web design skill should have been enough for an unfriend...
I love his radio show, and what he went thru with the Provincetown police was horrible. But it's one thing to not vote for Coakley or to tell people that she's a phony; it's quite another to embrace and campaign for an idiot neanderthal like Brown. Which he did on FB and (presumably) elsewhere.
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KO is back in front of a camera, this time taking Obama to task for the recent offensive in Libya.
http://bcove.me/gyrlfoo0
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
I just put it in this thread to put it somewhere. Perhaps a new thread: "local news"? Anyway, I'd be curious on opinions. What will it take to end the protests? I commute via BART and and got caught in the protests on Monday and a few weeks ago. I'm all for protesting, but being on the platform when dozens of very raucous protesters swarmed down onto it, banging on train windows and climbing on top of a train. I felt that did compromise the safety of those waiting on platform. Kids, elderly people, tourists were scared to death to be caught in an enclosed space with an angry mob. Someone could have fallen off platform or got hurt in some other way.
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
in this case, I would say yes, as this dustup started over BART police shooting a transient and then the protesters threw Oscar Grant and "free speech" into the mix. Personally, I think the case can be made that cel-phone service in a subway tunnel is not a "right".
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
in this case, I would say yes, as this dustup started over BART police shooting a transient and then the protesters threw Oscar Grant and "free speech" into the mix. Personally, I think the case can be made that cel-phone service in a subway tunnel is not a "right".
I don't really see this as left-wing stuff, more like libertarian.
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
in this case, I would say yes, as this dustup started over BART police shooting a transient and then the protesters threw Oscar Grant and "free speech" into the mix. Personally, I think the case can be made that cel-phone service in a subway tunnel is not a "right".
I don't really see this as left-wing stuff, more like libertarian.
At about 5 PM on Monday I was out near Market and Powell and I did notice an increase of young kids, less that 18 YO, milling about. My opinion is these kids are doing this pseudo-anarcho thing just b/c they think f***ing s*** up is cool. They have no formed beliefs yet, and when they think long enough to figure it out, they'll be Democrats before they become anything else. They're kids right now.
There is a segment of self-styled, black bandana sportin' anarchists out there, too (You saw a few during Iraq war protests), but when push comes to shove, they'll also back down and not want to commit fully to Anarchy with a capital A. They've got lots of energy, though, but many aren't thinking things through -- hey, just like many Tea Party folks!
What Anonymous did had a direct effect on my life: a friend was one of the folks whose info was hacked from the MyBart site and spread about. They received quite a few calls soon after the info was leaked by (what they think were ) scammers trying to get more personal info from her.
Anonymous did point out that Bart's IT security sucks, that's for sure, but unfortunately that's not unexpected with a government agency whose bloated carcass floats down the river of bureau-mediocrity. It certainly made me take another look at offering my info to other parties. I mean, that's always a concern, but it's in the forefront again because of their shenanigans.
So kudos for pointing out BART's failings in the IT department -- as if we needed that -- but BOO for hurting innocent folks. One wonders what they would have done if they had successfully hacked into more private sensitive info... perhaps this un-encrypted file was all they could find? And maybe that's b/c BART didn't think it worthy of encryption/protection?
I watched a movie called Trumbo last night, about Dalton Trumbo, the blacklisted writer. Now THAT guy thought through his beliefs and was committed.
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So what's it going to take to end this escalating war between protesters/hackers and BART??
Hackers post BART cops' personal info; another protest planned for Monday.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/17/BA101KOI7G.DTL
are hackers/anarchists considered left wing?
in this case, I would say yes, as this dustup started over BART police shooting a transient and then the protesters threw Oscar Grant and "free speech" into the mix. Personally, I think the case can be made that cel-phone service in a subway tunnel is not a "right".
I don't really see this as left-wing stuff, more like libertarian.
At about 5 PM on Monday I was out near Market and Powell and I did notice an increase of young kids, less that 18 YO, milling about. My opinion is these kids are doing this pseudo-anarcho thing just b/c they think f***ing s*** up is cool. They have no formed beliefs yet, and when they think long enough to figure it out, they'll be Democrats before they become anything else. They're kids right now.
There is a segment of self-styled, black bandana sportin' anarchists out there, too (You saw a few during Iraq war protests), but when push comes to shove, they'll also back down and not want to commit fully to Anarchy with a capital A. They've got lots of energy, though, but many aren't thinking things through -- hey, just like many Tea Party folks!
What Anonymous did had a direct effect on my life: a friend was one of the folks whose info was hacked from the MyBart site and spread about. They received quite a few calls soon after the info was leaked by (what they think were ) scammers trying to get more personal info from her.
Anonymous did point out that Bart's IT security sucks, that's for sure, but unfortunately that's not unexpected with a government agency whose bloated carcass floats down the river of bureau-mediocrity. It certainly made me take another look at offering my info to other parties. I mean, that's always a concern, but it's in the forefront again because of their shenanigans.
So kudos for pointing out BART's failings in the IT department -- as if we needed that -- but BOO for hurting innocent folks. One wonders what they would have done if they had successfully hacked into more private sensitive info... perhaps this un-encrypted file was all they could find? And maybe that's b/c BART didn't think it worthy of encryption/protection?
I watched a movie called Trumbo last night, about Dalton Trumbo, the blacklisted writer. Now THAT guy thought through his beliefs and was committed.
Nice summation Tinka.
I was something of an anarchist when I was young too. Or maybe I was a nihilist. Hard to say. I knew things were f*cked up, at any rate. I thought we were doomed. But here I am, still relatively prosperous, still relatively happy, and still on the right side of the lawn. I may never be able to retire, but, you know, nobody ever promised me a rose garden (okay, the people who were selling 401ks did, but "buyer beware").
As for liberals and conservatives -- I'm fed up with them both. Making fun of Michelle Bachman because she was eating a corn dog at a fair is not only unfair, but also lowers the bar for what is acceptable in political debate. Politicians don't want us to think about the real issues, they want us to focus on the side issues and manufactured scandal. If everything is about personality and image, then they can do anything in the back rooms once they get elected. Slight of hand.
Anyway, to Geoff's query -- no, the hackers/anarchists are not left wing liberals. They are just kids howling against the void. Hackers suck and anarchists are grasping at chaos. But they aren't wrong.
And one last word about IT security -- effective security is at best very expensive. At worst, it's impossible. BART does not have the resources for sophisticated security, and even that can be breached. It's not just public agencies that have this problem -- any private or public software company weighs the cost/profit equation. It's not surprising that profit usually wins out. Nothing is safe. Nothing.
"Between grief and nothing, I will choose grief." (Just a random quote that popped into my head -- frink points to anyone who can identify the author. Hint: He is part of the reason I had such a bleak view of the world when I was a English Lit major at SF State).
"Pues Nada" (That's Hemingway.)
ETA: And, BTW, I am awfully fond of Obama. But then, I was awfully fond of Jimmy Carter too. :-\
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Article: BART prepares for Anonymous protest
Group plans demonstration today at 5 p.m. as part of a campaign that will last until its demands are met.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/22/MN3M1KP3O3.DTL&tsp=1
Interesting to scan readers comments at end of article, some do take the time to make thoughtful comments. I heard on newsradio there will be more police presence today, making more arrests if necessary especially if protesters continue to swarm the platforms.
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Article: BART prepares for Anonymous protest
Group plans demonstration today at 5 p.m. as part of a campaign that will last until its demands are met.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/22/MN3M1KP3O3.DTL&tsp=1
Interesting to scan readers comments at end of article, some do take the time to make thoughtful comments. I heard on newsradio there will be more police presence today, making more arrests if necessary especially if protesters continue to swarm the platforms.
I'm a lifelong lefty but I fail to see...
(a) why it is necessary for the protest to take place within the fare gates/on the actual BART platform. (at rush hour, no less)
(b) how cel phone service in a subway tunnel -- something that didn't even exist a few years ago -- is a "right" that takes precendence over public safety or the inconveniencing of thousands of commuters.
You don't win hearts & minds by making folks late for dinner, Jus' sayin'. Gather at the entrance, carry signs, hand out flyers, fine.
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Article: BART prepares for Anonymous protest
Group plans demonstration today at 5 p.m. as part of a campaign that will last until its demands are met.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/22/MN3M1KP3O3.DTL&tsp=1
Interesting to scan readers comments at end of article, some do take the time to make thoughtful comments. I heard on newsradio there will be more police presence today, making more arrests if necessary especially if protesters continue to swarm the platforms.
When I read the article in the morning paper I though "who the fuck are these people to demand something, at the expense of tired working people?" What a bunch of petulant assholes.
Pardon my French.
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Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with your above comments.
And again, I'm enjoying the reader comments at end of this latest article.
45 arrested in S.F. BART protest
Civic Center, Powell stations closed in response to roving demonstration both above ground along Market Street and inside the transit system.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/22/MNKT1KQE1S.DTL
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Two items today re: BART protests -
SFPD releases BART protesters' names, cities
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BABC1KRU2O.DTL&tsp=1
BART protests: Patrons, police losing patience
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BAB91KRBA5.DTL
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Two items today re: BART protests -
SFPD releases BART protesters' names, cities
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BABC1KRU2O.DTL&tsp=1
BART protests: Patrons, police losing patience
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BAB91KRBA5.DTL
Nevius' piece (the 2nd of the 2 above) is dead-on.
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Two items today re: BART protests -
SFPD releases BART protesters' names, cities
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BABC1KRU2O.DTL&tsp=1
BART protests: Patrons, police losing patience
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/25/BAB91KRBA5.DTL
Nevius' piece (the 2nd of the 2 above) is dead-on.
Like I keep saying, topic should be more like "Rant and Vent about the anarchist/hacker thread!"
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Figured this was as good a place as any for this... It's beginning to look like everything Keith Olbermann's enemies have said about him for the last 5 years... might be true. He's already "disgruntled" at Current and it's sounds to me like he's just nuts. I'm very disappointed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/idUS265747226820120105
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/keith-olbermann-quits-current-tv-lawyers-278146
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Figured this was as good a place as any for this... It's beginning to look like everything Keith Olbermann's enemies have said about him for the last 5 years... might be true. He's already "disgruntled" at Current and it's sounds to me like he's just nuts. I'm very disappointed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/idUS265747226820120105
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/keith-olbermann-quits-current-tv-lawyers-278146
and so it ends.. again. Sadly, KO must *really* be a dick to have pissed off Al Gore.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/30/keith-olbermann-out-at-s-f-s-current-tv/?tsp=1
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Figured this was as good a place as any for this... It's beginning to look like everything Keith Olbermann's enemies have said about him for the last 5 years... might be true. He's already "disgruntled" at Current and it's sounds to me like he's just nuts. I'm very disappointed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/idUS265747226820120105
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/keith-olbermann-quits-current-tv-lawyers-278146
and so it ends.. again. Sadly, KO must *really* be a dick to have pissed off Al Gore.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/30/keith-olbermann-out-at-s-f-s-current-tv/?tsp=1
Tim Goodman's analysis:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/keith-olbermann-fired-Current-Al-Gore-analysis-eliot-spitzer-306444
I disagree with Goodman (who counts KO as a friend and may be a tad biased) -- seriously, where else can Keith go at this point? Unless HBO wants to shell out to have him as part of a Friday nite block with Maher, I can't imagine who else will want to risk hiring him.
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Figured this was as good a place as any for this... It's beginning to look like everything Keith Olbermann's enemies have said about him for the last 5 years... might be true. He's already "disgruntled" at Current and it's sounds to me like he's just nuts. I'm very disappointed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/idUS265747226820120105
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/keith-olbermann-quits-current-tv-lawyers-278146
and so it ends.. again. Sadly, KO must *really* be a dick to have pissed off Al Gore.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/30/keith-olbermann-out-at-s-f-s-current-tv/?tsp=1
Tim Goodman's analysis:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/keith-olbermann-fired-Current-Al-Gore-analysis-eliot-spitzer-306444
I disagree with Goodman (who counts KO as a friend and may be a tad biased) -- seriously, where else can Keith go at this point? Unless HBO wants to shell out to have him as part of a Friday nite block with Maher, I can't imagine who else will want to risk hiring him.
Somebody named Stephanie Miller?
Jeez, he doesn't even know who Stephanie Miller is?
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Figured this was as good a place as any for this... It's beginning to look like everything Keith Olbermann's enemies have said about him for the last 5 years... might be true. He's already "disgruntled" at Current and it's sounds to me like he's just nuts. I'm very disappointed.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/05/idUS265747226820120105
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/keith-olbermann-quits-current-tv-lawyers-278146
and so it ends.. again. Sadly, KO must *really* be a dick to have pissed off Al Gore.
http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/30/keith-olbermann-out-at-s-f-s-current-tv/?tsp=1
Tim Goodman's analysis:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/keith-olbermann-fired-Current-Al-Gore-analysis-eliot-spitzer-306444
I disagree with Goodman (who counts KO as a friend and may be a tad biased) -- seriously, where else can Keith go at this point? Unless HBO wants to shell out to have him as part of a Friday nite block with Maher, I can't imagine who else will want to risk hiring him.
so, Carlos Santana may be a hose, but KO is... a chandelier?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/tv-column/post/ousted-current-tv-star-keith-olbermann-visits-david-letterman-video/2012/04/03/gIQAQPxBuS_blog.htmll