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Main Discussion Area => KFOG's 10@10 => Topic started by: mshray on June 03, 2005, 09:16:52 AM
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After playing "Lola", Dave just posed the question, "35 years ago today Ray Davies boarded a plane back to London to re-record 2 words from this song. What were they & why?"
So I hit my speed dial, but it turned out to be a rhetorical question & he answered it himself. However I stayed on the line & figured I'd ask him about the significance of the date June 3rd in song. So Dave picked up & I asked him what happened 38 years ago today. He gave up but then guessed my birthday. I said, "No, Billie Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge." Renee & Dave both went, "Ooooh, good one" but then Dave said, "I had that as 1953," and he proceeded to start singing the song (!).
Then I asked him if he'd played it yet today & he said, "You know, I don't think I have that here in the station, let me look around a bit."
So that's why I think it won't be 1967 today.
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After playing "Lola", Dave just posed the question, "35 years ago today Ray Davies boarded a plane back to London to re-record 2 words from this song. What were they & why?"
If I had to guess? He recorded the words "cherry cola" to replace "Coco Cola". And he had to do that because it was considered unpaid advertising on British radio? I think it was the Brits who had a problem with it.
How close am I?
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After playing "Lola", Dave just posed the question, "35 years ago today Ray Davies boarded a plane back to London to re-record 2 words from this song. What were they & why?"
If I had to guess? He recorded the words "cherry cola" to replace "Coco Cola". And he had to do that because it was considered unpaid advertising on British radio? I think it was the Brits who had a problem with it.
How close am I?
You hit it right on the head! And both versions exist on various Kinks albums & compilations.
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Cool! Yeah, Dave mentioned that once on a 10at10...
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Ooops, hit enter too soon.
After playing "Lola", Dave just posed the question, "35 years ago today Ray Davies boarded a plane back to London to re-record 2 words from this song. What were they & why?"
So I hit my speed dial, but it turned out to be a rhetorical question & he answered it himself. However I stayed on the line & figured I'd ask him about the significance of the date June 3rd in song. So Dave picked up & I asked him what happened 38 years ago today. He gave up but then guessed my birthday. I said, "No, Billie Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchee bridge." Renee & Dave both went, "Ooooh, good one" but then Dave said, "I had that as 1953," and he proceeded to start singing the song (!).
Then I asked him if he'd played it yet today & he said, "You know, I don't think I have that here in the station, let me look around a bit."
So that's why I thnk it won't be 1967 today.
Well, I guess you're right, which is too bad. About 10 years ago, when Dave did "My 3 Songs" at 9am every day, on a June 3rd he played U2, "Pride in the Name of Love", the Temptations "Papa Was a Rolling Stone", and as was the custom, folks were invited to guess song #3 and the connection (which was songs with dates in the lyric) -- I tried desperately to get thru but couldn't. And (since no one got it) he then played Ms Gentry.
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I'm going to guess 1971. Hope springs eternal.
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I'm going to guess 1971. Hope springs eternal.
Missed by a year. What do I know?
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1970 -- a fine alternative. instant BOS the Velvet U.
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I'm going to guess 1971. Hope springs eternal.
Close! off by one year
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1970 -- a fine alternative. instant BOS the Velvet U.
Gosh I really hope not.... 8)
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I think the original version gets a lot of reflected glory from the later live version, whatever that means
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Everybody sing along:
"She started dancing to that FINE FINE music, you know her life was saved by Rock and Roll."
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My first BOS (of several to come, methinks): The Seeker, The 'Oo.
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I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked the Beatles
I asked Ti-mo-thy Leary
But he couldn't help
me, either...
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My first BOS (of several to come, methinks): The Seeker, The 'Oo.
methinks it just might be.
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I think the original version gets a lot of reflected glory from the later live version, whatever that means
I think it means that Lou ditched the silly falsetto parts. Great song, but you're right--the Rock and Roll Animal version is the definitive one.
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I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked the Beatles
I asked Ti-mo-thy Leary
But he couldn't help
me, either...
didja bring your tambourine today?
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I think the original version gets a lot of reflected glory from the later live version, whatever that means
FWIW, the original was HUGE on prog FM in the Northeast at the time. Far & away the most airplay anything by the Velvets ever got.
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didja bring your tambourine today?
Wait- how bad did I botch the lyrics? Someone was talking to me at that point..
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didja bring your tambourine today?
Wait- how bad did I botch the lyrics? Someone was talking to me at that point..
they were right on. You're 2 for 2! Throw away the Beej tambourine!
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Dress up tonight, why be lonely?
VHM for "Celebrate", another of the 45's we had in our house when I was a wee lad.
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I think the original version gets a lot of reflected glory from the later live version, whatever that means
FWIW, the original was HUGE on prog FM in the Northeast at the time. Far & away the most airplay anything by the Velvets ever got.
I stopped short of making a statement about how popular it originally was, but out here, I heard "Heroin" more than the original "Rock and Roll." For that matter, I heard a lot of the song about mailing himself in a box (can't remember title right now)
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VHM 3DN's salute to Pavlov. "Salivate, salivate..."
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(whew) I didn't botch the lyrics. But, to answer you question, Geoff: I ALWAYS have my tambourine, baby!
I'm not to keen on this "Celebrity Ball" song. I don't know why. I mean, the "celebrate, celebrate" part is nice- but overall? I don't care.
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Dave's Yahoo messenger ID has the following tag after his logon: "anybody remember Pickettywich?"
So, can anyone here clue me in? I'm stumped. (Dave sez it was a national hit.)
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they were right on. You're 2 for 2! Throw away the Beej tambourine!
No way, man! Tambourining is in my soul.
Now see- this "Montego Bay" song is kinda lame, too- but I like it. Go figure.
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didja bring your tambourine today?
Wait- how bad did I botch the lyrics? Someone was talking to me at that point..
they were right on. You're 2 for 2! Throw away the Beej tambourine!
I like tambourines! Your tambourine was mentioned I believe yesterday, and you weren't even here! Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
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Well now, this is a real sing-along song,
"Sing Out! Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh"
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Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
LOL! It's my own fault, really. Whenever I make some insanely wrong guess about who did what song and am wrong- I mention that if we were a band, I'd play the tambourine. Because, let's face it, tambourining isn't exactly rocket science, y'know?
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(whew) I didn't botch the lyrics. But, to answer you question, Geoff: I ALWAYS have my tambourine, baby!
I'm not to keen on this "Celebrity Ball" song. I don't know why. I mean, the "celebrate, celebrate" part is nice- but overall? I don't care.
With the headphones on I heard some nice guitar work in behind the celebrate, celebrate.
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Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
the tambourine being the instrument they give to the guy in the band who otherwise lacks any musical talent, Beej assigns himself that role if he doesn't quite have his music trivia creds up to snuff (such as misidentifying an artist). Which is to say he has a self-deprecating sense of humor & we all love him for it.
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Ah ha!! My first BOS - Ripple - I just LOVE their sound in these years!!
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Dave's Yahoo messenger ID has the following tag after his logon: "anybody remember Pickettywich?"
So, can anyone here clue me in? I'm stumped. (Dave sez it was a national hit.)
Pickettywitch, "That Same Old Feeling" -- I remember it. A medium-sized hit as I recall. Nice bit o'pop. lead singer Polly Brown later had "Up in a Puff of Smoke".
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JINX, Mshray. And thanks! :D
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Page 3 already!?
BOS RIPPLE!!!
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how could I not vote for this? Great use of it last night in the movie before intemission.
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Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
LOL! It's my own fault, really. Whenever I make some insanely wrong guess about who did what song and am wrong- I mention that if we were a band, I'd play the tambourine. Because, let's face it, tambourining isn't exactly rocket science, y'know?
List of great tamborine players:
Davey Jones, the Monkees
Betty, the Archies
uh....
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Page 3 already!?
BOS RIPPLE!!!
I'll agree (other songs on that album would work for me too!!!!0
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I'm not to keen on this "Celebrity Ball" song. I don't know why. I mean, the "celebrate, celebrate" part is nice- but overall? I don't care.
But as it's 3 Dog Night, we should remember to give it a proxy form Gaz. You know, just in case he checks the boards later.
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List of great tamborine players:
Davey Jones, the Monkees
Betty, the Archies
uh....
Me. That's 3. OH! And that little girl from the Partridge Family (the character's name was Tracy I think).
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Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
LOL! It's my own fault, really. Whenever I make some insanely wrong guess about who did what song and am wrong- I mention that if we were a band, I'd play the tambourine. Because, let's face it, tambourining isn't exactly rocket science, y'know?
List of great tamborine players:
Davey Jones, the Monkees
Betty, the Archies
uh....
last night at band practice, the song screamed for some tambourine, and one of the best singers/musicians picked it up! So, it's a badge of honor to me!
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yay! Pickettywitch! VHM for obscuity value alone. Nice.
But a much bigger hit in the UK than here.
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last night at band practice, the song screamed for some tambourine, and one of the best singers/musicians picked it up! So, it's a badge of honor to me!
Well, there ya go!
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Dave's Yahoo messenger ID has the following tag after his logon: "anybody remember Pickettywich?"
So, can anyone here clue me in? I'm stumped. (Dave sez it was a national hit.)
Pickettywitch, "That Same Old Feeling" -- I remember it. A medium-sized hit as I recall. Nice bit o'pop. lead singer Polly Brown later had "Up in a Puff of Smoke".
Consulted AMG after posting that--which sez they were another in the Foundations/Edison Lighthouse/Paper Lace canon. This peaked at #67 in 1970, which may explain why I don't remember it--at that point in my life, I was strictly a Top 40 kinda kid.
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Dave must be getting Peter Jennings from a "looking back" type show. I don't remember seeing him til the mid 80s
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Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of Beej's tambourine.
LOL! It's my own fault, really. Whenever I make some insanely wrong guess about who did what song and am wrong- I mention that if we were a band, I'd play the tambourine. Because, let's face it, tambourining isn't exactly rocket science, y'know?
List of great tamborine players:
Davey Jones, the Monkees
Betty, the Archies
uh....
last night at band practice, the song screamed for some tambourine, and one of the best singers/musicians picked it up! So, it's a badge of honor to me!
Oh, sure. Robert Plant and Roger Daltrey play tamborine too, when the song calls for it (and/or they're bored during guitar solos).
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
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I would say that it wasn't played on the West Coast at all, but I was in college then, so it might have slid by in top 40
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Dave's Yahoo messenger ID has the following tag after his logon: "anybody remember Pickettywich?"
So, can anyone here clue me in? I'm stumped. (Dave sez it was a national hit.)
Pickettywitch, "That Same Old Feeling" -- I remember it. A medium-sized hit as I recall. Nice bit o'pop. lead singer Polly Brown later had "Up in a Puff of Smoke".
Consulted AMG after posting that--which sez they were another in the Foundations/Edison Lighthouse/Paper Lace canon. This peaked at #67 in 1970, which may explain why I don't remember it--at that point in my life, I was strictly a Top 40 kinda kid.
#67 is stetching it a bit, re: "a national hit". Maybe a regional fave in Michigan. Not huge where I was. She sounds a bit like Dionne Warwick, no?
ooo, another BOS for "Sweet Baby James". Lovely.
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
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Y'know, now that I think on it- I think Tracy from the Partridge Family played the triangle, too.
I should take some lessons.
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
Update your email in your profile. When I send out club-wide announcements, it bouces back.
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
Okay, now explain "microphone player."
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That Picktywich lady was great. Dumb name- nice voice & song. ya learn something new every day.
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Consulted AMG after posting that--which sez they were another in the Foundations/Edison Lighthouse/Paper Lace canon. This peaked at #67 in 1970, which may explain why I don't remember it--at that point in my life, I was strictly a Top 40 kinda kid.
Every time I've tried to go to AMG this morning I get the HTTP 404 Not Found.
I have tried 3 more times since you posted & still get the same result. Strange.
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BOS3 (or 4) for Ree-Ree, "Call Me". Fab.
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sweet
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
Update your email in your profile. When I send out club-wide announcements, it bouces back.
Ooh, OK. Will do.
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
Okay, now explain "microphone player."
Watch "The Kids Are Alright" (I think that's where it is.) Roger spends quite a bit of time swinging his mike around and catching it and otherwise molesting it. He's got it all taped up, presumably for strain relief.
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Hmmm... I'm changing my BOS to Paul McCartney (will actually email it too!)
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sweet
Ditto here. Couldn't get any better.
HM to James, and Paulie, and Pickettywitch too. (Which I swear I've never heard before today--don't think it made the top 40 stations in Sacto, to say the least.)
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Roger Daltrey is a great microphone player too. Any others?
Dang, that was me. It is now too.
Okay, now explain "microphone player."
Guessing he means does nothing exept sing...?
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And a VHM to Porgy Tirebiter and Mudhead.
I'm coming, Mother....
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Guessing he means does nothing exept sing...?
Meaning Rog likes to swing the mike around & get his drum majorette jones on.
Pooooorgy... Tirebiter!
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10-4 Eleanor!
still part of my vocabulary.
Gawd this record warped me!
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yay! Porgy & Mudhead!
"He's helping Porcelain make the bed..."
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yay! Porgy & Mudhead!
"He's helping Porcelain make the bed..."
Does that deserve a jinx? Damn close...
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Watch "The Kids Are Alright" (I think that's where it is.) Roger spends quite a bit of time swinging his mike around and catching it and otherwise molesting it. He's got it all taped up, presumably for strain relief.
That's what I thought you meant.
BOS #5 Mungo Jerry, a song that sounds much better in the context of a 1970 set than in a 'summertime' set.
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Hmm. Why does this "In the Summertime" sound different to me? Mebbe my imagination.. runnin away with me.
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I gots to give props to any band who names themselves after a cat in a T. S. Eliot poem!
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I always wondered what and or who a Mungo Jerry was. Thanks, Geoff.
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I gots to give props to any band who names themselves after a cat in a T. S. Eliot poem!
That's a great name etymology! And a new one on me.
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I always wondered what and or who a Mungo Jerry was. Thanks, Geoff.
CG played one of their other UK hits, "Baby Jump" the other day and it was quite a rocker.
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I gots to give props to any band who names themselves after a cat in a T. S. Eliot poem!
That's a great name etymology! And a new one on me.
You must never have seen Cats. Mungojerry was one of the characters therein (and the play was based on Eliot's poem).
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I gots to give props to any band who names themselves after a cat in a T. S. Eliot poem!
That's a great name etymology! And a new one on me.
Being a T. S. Eliot devotee, I was aware of this pretty early, but many others found out when they made that insipid Broadway musical "Cats."
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so -- 2 weeks in a row without a '90s set. "I think we must be in heaven, man!" It'll be a pleasant Marathon tomorrow.
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I gots to give props to any band who names themselves after a cat in a T. S. Eliot poem!
That's a great name etymology! And a new one on me.
Being a T. S. Eliot devotee, I was aware of this pretty early, but many others found out when they made that insipid Broadway musical "Cats."
Andrew Lloyd Webber -- insipid? Say it isn't so! :wink:
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I always liked David Letterman's version of Cats: Mid-night! And the kitties are sleeee-ping!
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Dave's Yahoo messenger ID has the following tag after his logon: "anybody remember Pickettywich?"
So, can anyone here clue me in? I'm stumped. (Dave sez it was a national hit.)
Pickettywitch, "That Same Old Feeling" -- I remember it. A medium-sized hit as I recall. Nice bit o'pop. lead singer Polly Brown later had "Up in a Puff of Smoke".
Consulted AMG after posting that--which sez they were another in the Foundations/Edison Lighthouse/Paper Lace canon. This peaked at #67 in 1970, which may explain why I don't remember it--at that point in my life, I was strictly a Top 40 kinda kid.
#67 is stetching it a bit, re: "a national hit". Maybe a regional fave in Michigan. Not huge where I was. She sounds a bit like Dionne Warwick, no?
Pickettywitch PM Post-mortem:
I realize now that I remembered the song from the competing version by the Fortunes (whose big hits were "You've Got Your Troubles" in 1965 and "Here Comes That Rainy-Day Feeling Again" in '71). It was their version that got NYC airplay. Both versions debuted in Billboard on the same day and the Fortunes got to #62 while Pickettywitch hit #67. They essentially cancelled each other out.
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(whew) I didn't botch the lyrics. But, to answer you question, Geoff: I ALWAYS have my tambourine, baby!
I'm not to keen on this "Celebrity Ball" song. I don't know why. I mean, the "celebrate, celebrate" part is nice- but overall? I don't care.
With the headphones on I heard some nice guitar work in behind the celebrate, celebrate.
Michael Allsrop = an underrated component of the 3DN sound.
(So underrated, in fact, that I've probably spelled his name wrong.)
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List of great tamborine players:
Davey Jones, the Monkees
Betty, the Archies
uh....
Jack Ashford!!!
(P.S. The above was of course me too. Thanks, Mshray, for the proxy.)
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I always wondered what and or who a Mungo Jerry was. Thanks, Geoff.
CG played one of their other UK hits, "Baby Jump" the other day and it was quite a rocker.
If by "rocker" you mean "painful embarrassment to not only rock music but the Mother Country," then sure.
I mean, really: "She's got beautiful teeth / A toothpaste ad-man's dream"?
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I always wondered what and or who a Mungo Jerry was. Thanks, Geoff.
CG played one of their other UK hits, "Baby Jump" the other day and it was quite a rocker.
If by "rocker" you mean "painful embarrassment to not only rock music but the Mother Country," then sure.
I mean, really: "She's got beautiful teeth / A toothpaste ad-man's dream"?
By "rocker" I meant, in comparison to "In the Summertime" -- I'd've never guessed in a million years that "Baby Jump" was Mungo Jerry.
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Guessing he means does nothing exept sing...?
Meaning Rog likes to swing the mike around & get his drum majorette jones on.
Just watching a Mamas and Papas show on channel 9, and Mama Cass starts swinging the microphone ala Daltrey on Ed Sullivan in 1966!
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Guessing he means does nothing exept sing...?
Meaning Rog likes to swing the mike around & get his drum majorette jones on.
Just watching a Mamas and Papas show on channel 9, and Mama Cass starts swinging the microphone ala Daltrey on Ed Sullivan in 1966!
Now *that* is footage I would love to own.
If the owners of those old TV properties had any future-looking sense, they would get into the line of selling "videos" (vintage performances on Sullivan, Shindig, et al) in the same way that iTunes singles are sold. This will be especially potential-laden when the next generation of iPod-like players has video playback capacity with decent resolution on a small screen.
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Guessing he means does nothing exept sing...?
Meaning Rog likes to swing the mike around & get his drum majorette jones on.
Just watching a Mamas and Papas show on channel 9, and Mama Cass starts swinging the microphone ala Daltrey on Ed Sullivan in 1966!
Now *that* is footage I would love to own.
If the owners of those old TV properties had any future-looking sense, they would get into the line of selling "videos" (vintage performances on Sullivan, Shindig, et al) in the same way that iTunes singles are sold. This will be especially potential-laden when the next generation of iPod-like players has video playback capacity with decent resolution on a small screen.
I don't doubt that such a thing will happen, but the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
I always thought VH-1 made a big mistake when it ditched its original concept ("MTV for Baby Boomers") and went after younger & younger demos. In a 500-channel digital universe, such a niche ought to exist.
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the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I didn't, I'm talking about craven business decisions based on demographics. I could as easily have said Huey Lewis or the Travelling Wilburys. And of course MTV didn't exist in the '60s.
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the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I didn't, I'm talking about craven business decisions based on demographics. I could as easily have said Huey Lewis or the Travelling Wilburys. And of course MTV didn't exist in the '60s.
Well, the new iTunes version plays videos, and I think what you're saying is right, and hopefully will happen. There was a great clip of the Mamas and Papas singing backup to Barry McGuire doing "Do You Believe in Magic?" last night. They were so broke, Lou Adler got them a job singing backups.
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There was a great clip of the Mamas and Papas singing backup to Barry McGuire doing "Do You Believe in Magic?" last night. They were so broke, Lou Adler got them a job singing backups.
Yikes!
Zal and Denny workin' for a penny
Tryin' to get a fish on the line
In a coffee house Sebastian sat
And after every number they'd pass the hat
McGuinn and McGuire just a-gettin' higher
In L.A., you know where that's at
And no one's gettin' fat except Mama Cass...
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the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
It won't be long before they are on such a pedestal: I expect the Cure to be R&R HOF honorees in the next 4-5 years.
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the question is whether a Mamas & Papas clip from 1966 will be considered worth selling (demographically speaking) as opposed to, say, a Cure clip from 1989.
Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas! :lol: :lol: :lol:
It won't be long before they are on such a pedestal: I expect the Cure to be R&R HOF honorees in the next 4-5 years.
please forgive me, but my gullibility index forces me to ask, "are you serious?" :lol:
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Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
please forgive me, but my gullibility index forces me to ask, "are you serious?"
Sorry, boys- but I'm with Gaz on this one. Whether you like The Cure or not is irrelevant. They made an impact on culture & music.
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Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
please forgive me, but my gullibility index forces me to ask, "are you serious?"
Sorry, boys- but I'm with Gaz on this one. Whether you like The Cure or not is irrelevant. They made an impact on culture & music.
besides, Robert Smith saved the world from Mecha-Streisand!
Bah-bu-rah, Bah-bu-rah...
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besides, Robert Smith saved the world from Mecha-Streisand!
Bah-bu-rah, Bah-bu-rah...
Stan: Disintegration is the greatest album ever!
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Hard to believe you'd put the Cure on a historical pedestal of equal stature to the Mamas and Papas!
please forgive me, but my gullibility index forces me to ask, "are you serious?"
Sorry, boys- but I'm with Gaz on this one. Whether you like The Cure or not is irrelevant. They made an impact on culture & music.
Well, you'll have to educate me I guess; all I ever heard out of the Cure was goth posing, but I have very little actual exposure, so if you young folk say so, it must be true! Just don't equate them to the Mamas and Papas! :lol: :lol:
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Just don't equate them to the Mamas and Papas! :lol: :lol:
You're right Geoff, but only because that would be a terrible disservice to The Cure.
Let's see, the Mama & Papas lasted for 5 years, and their best album was their debut, followed by a couple of also pretty good albums, and then 3 mediocre ones. They had good chart succes for 3 years and are credited with the creation of 'sunshine pop'. You will have to help out on this, but even in their heyday, did they have miliions of devoted fans who thought they were the best band ever?
The Cure have lasted for 25 years, 20 albums, with no real clunkers among them (at least not by the AMG ratings, I certainly haven't listened to them all) and at least one 4-star album in the 70's, 80's & 90's. They had one Top 10 and a couple other chart hits, but are Alt radio gods. They are credited with the creation of 'goth rock'. They do have literally millions of fans who believe they are the best band ever.
I'd say each band has had a comparable import in influencing the development of their respective subgenres.
You are completely entitled to your preferences, but the Mamas & Papas were a relative flash-in-the-pan compared to the Cure, and Top 10 chart success notwithstanding, the Cure have been far more popular for a far longer period of time.
ETA: And one of the top 5 concerts I have seen in my own life, probably Top 2.
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Just don't equate them to the Mamas and Papas! :lol: :lol:
You're right Geoff, but only because that would be a terrible disservice to The Cure.
Let's see, the Mama & Papas lasted for 5 years, and their best album was their debut, followed by a couple of also pretty good albums, and then 3 mediocre ones. They had good chart succes for 3 years and are credited with the creation of 'sunshine pop'. You will have to help out on this, but even in their heyday, did they have miliions of devoted fans who thought they were the best band ever?
The Cure have lasted for 25 years, 20 albums, with no real clunkers among them (at least not by the AMG ratings, I certainly haven't listened to them all) and at least one 4-star album in the 70's, 80's & 90's. They had one Top 10 and a couple other chart hits, but are Alt radio gods. They are credited with the creation of 'goth rock'. They do have literally millions of fans who believe they are the best band ever.
I'd say each band has had a comparable import in influencing the development of their respective subgenres.
You are completely entitled to your preferences, but the Mamas & Papas were a relative flash-in-the-pan compared to the Cure, and Top 10 chart success notwithstanding, the Cure have been far more popular for a far longer period of time.
ETA: And one of the top 5 concerts I have seen in my own life, probably Top 2.
I guess from that point of view, since the Cure lasted longer than the Beatles, etc...
Clearly this is a matter of opinion, but please try not to denigrate something that was so beautiful (their singing and John's songwriting craft) by calling them a flash-in-the-pan. The Mamas and Papas only lasted for about three years, and in the words of Denny in the documentary, "It was over before it started." They existed, they were beautiful, and they were gone. The music holds up, the harmonies are still lush. [Geoff steps down from soapbox]